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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #26552442 - 03/23/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

http://conditions.health.qld.gov.au/HealthCondition/condition/14/217/363/hendra-virus-infection

The Hendra virus, went from bats, to horses, to humans here in 1994. It almost shut down the horse racing industry, people were freaking out.
It had nothing to do with China though.

Basically the horses were grazing underneath a tree where the bats were roosting and picked it up off the grass.
You had to then have a sick horse sneeze on you to catch it... which is what happened to the 7 people that contracted Hendra, 4 died.

There is still no known treatment. 80% mortality rate in horses.

All horses leaving Aus to race overseas now have to be vaccinated.
The vaccine was developed in 2012 and I'm guessing/hoping their previous research will help with this one, maybe, hope so  :thumbup:


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26552472 - 03/23/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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http://conditions.health.qld.gov.au/HealthCondition/condition/14/217/363/hendra-virus-infection

The Hendra virus, went from bats, to horses, to humans here in 1994. It almost shut down the horse racing industry, people were freaking out.
It had nothing to do with China though.

Basically the horses were grazing underneath a tree where the bats were roosting and picked it up off the grass.
You had to then have a sick horse sneeze on you to catch it... which is what happened to the 7 people that contracted Hendra, 4 died.

There is still no known treatment. 80% mortality rate in horses.

All horses leaving Aus to race overseas now have to be vaccinated.
The vaccine was developed in 2012 and I'm guessing/hoping their previous research will help with this one, maybe, hope so  :thumbup:




Of course 'some' diseases start here. Diseases are already everywheree.

We weren't eating non domesticated animals. We didn't cause it because we have no health and safety standards, like china.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 3
    #26552704 - 03/23/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Pretty sure US health and safety standards are some of the lowest in the world. There's a reason why it's illegal to sell US chicken overseas, and that's because it's too gross for non-US consumers. Our chicken doesn't meet basic health and safety standards in most other places.

Of course, a good chunk of Chinese meat is made in the US anyway. Smithfield foods, the world's largest producer of pork, is a Chinese company that raises their pigs in the US and then ships the meat to China. They do this because the environmental and health regulations in the US are much weaker than in China, so they save money by leaving the pollution in the US.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos]
    #26552731 - 03/23/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I even heard in USA they "wash" eggs. Contaminating the interior with salmonella in the process.

At least in Europe and only speaking about food industry USA have a really bad reputation


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: living_failure]
    #26552763 - 03/23/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'd be more likely to assume China buys our meat because theirs is of power quality, because everything China does is of lower quality, because 'communism'

Regulations aren't the only way to 'regulate'. in the U.S. I can sue. Businesses don't want people sickened by their product.

In china, the government owns everything and there wouldn't be anything I could do. There isn't much incentive not-to kill people.

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Salmonella is already in the eggs. Why would washing them contaminate the inside of the shell?
Europeans have snobbed at each other since the BC's. This is to be expected.

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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #26552835 - 03/23/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd be more likely to assume China buys our meat because theirs is of power quality, because everything China does is of lower quality, because 'communism'

Regulations aren't the only way to 'regulate'. in the U.S. I can sue. Businesses don't want people sickened by their product.

In china, the government owns everything and there wouldn't be anything I could do. There isn't much incentive not-to kill people.

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Salmonella is already in the eggs. Why would washing them contaminate the inside of the shell?
Europeans have snobbed at each other since the BC's. This is to be expected.

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Because salmonella is in the hens cloaca. The egg isn't contaminated as long as there is no water to filter into the egg. Washing eggs filters water inside the eggs(and that water with contain the salmonella, pushing it inside the egg).

I think it is a difference of quality definition. when one speak about higienic conditions, you can pretty much take and egg out the shell in Europe, mix it with raw fined cut meat and eat it. But I would not risk that in USA.
As long as it is cooked, I would eat anything in USA, don't get me wrong.
Because American food have flavor and is good looking, and if you cook it well enough it won't kill you.

Also, China is buying most of our Jamones Ibéricos so what used to cost 200, now it cost 300. The are buying pork from everywhere, not only USA.
China is buying pork because they like it a lot and now that they are better economically they are demanding it. Nothing to do with USA food standards, but insane Chinese demand and economic power


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: living_failure]
    #26552879 - 03/23/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Salmonella is inside the egg shell, not on the outside like it would be if it were an outside contaminant. Washing most going to get the salmonella inside the egg.

It goes along with the idea in Europe that you shouldn't refrigerate eggs.

We have stupid ideas here too, like my grandma thinking you should let something get to room-temperature before refrigerating it.
That's not how germs work grandma!


China is buying pork because they like pork, and killed almost half of their pigs, because of swine flu.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: living_failure] * 3
    #26553042 - 03/23/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I even heard in USA they "wash" eggs. Contaminating the interior with salmonella in the process.

At least in Europe and only speaking about food industry USA have a really bad reputation




Nah, we wash eggs because it costs approximately 14 cents to vaccinate a chicken against salmonella. The US is one of the only countries in the world where salmonella vaccines are not mandatory. The argument is that it would raise the prices of eggs by approximately 0.1 cents per egg, which would be a devastating price increase for the industry.

This is why the US leads the world in salmonella infections, with 142,000 cases per year.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos]
    #26553191 - 03/23/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

We probably should vaccinate chickens.

Sometimes America does things backward, sometimes China does
China is the one sending us defective toothpaste and dog food, not the other way.

When people downplay the US, it just shows they are jealous. They are going to be more jealous as we isolate


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 3
    #26553208 - 03/23/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

We are not going to isolate. That's a right wing fairy tale.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26553233 - 03/23/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It isn't a partisan issue. It's already happening. We aren't as invested in the world as it is in us. It isn't me being jingoistic.




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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #26553369 - 03/23/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Salmonella is inside the egg shell, not on the outside like it would be if it were an outside contaminant. Washing most going to get the salmonella inside the egg.





But Salmonella is outside of the eggshell, the contaminant is external, is the cloaca of the Hen that make the egg. Chicks and Cocks use the same orifice to shit, pee and have sex, so when a chicken put an egg it is going throught the equivalent of the anus. And here comes the salmonella infection.

1 in 60.000 eggs aproximately in standard european conditions gets salmonella inside the shell. If you wash them, you have pretty much all of them with salmonella.

Sorry if my english is too bad, it might be possible that we are saying the same thing.


Just claryfing. In europe there is a lot of worse image of chinesse food industry than the image we have from USA (Even when you hear how italians, french and spanish speak about californian wine).

Here, everybody considers than the administration of Spain or Italy is so bad is almost criminal. But everybody considers that if china says they have no more cases/deaths, they are lying.

Nobody should take China as an example. The ones who did pretty much a good job is South Korea.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: living_failure] * 1
    #26553582 - 03/23/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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You are not saying the same thing as specialpeopleclub and you write English well enough for people who speak English as a first language to understand just fine.

While it is possible for the inside of an egg to become contaminated prior to the shell being formed, it is more common for such contamination to happen after the egg has been laid when speaking about healthy, free range birds which consume a varied diet.

Egg shells are porous but have an impermeable covering commonly called a "bloom"; it is deposited onto the eggs as they are laid.  Washing an egg not only removes the protective bloom layer but also can, and often does, push contaminants through the shell, into the egg.  For this reason, if thr eggs are extremely soiled, they should be washed with a hot rag so that edges of the pores expand, effectively closing the tiny holes in the shell.  Eggs should never be washed under running water as that can push contaminants into the eggs.

When an egg isn't obviously soiled and isn't washed, it can remain fresh and uncontaminated for up to and sometimes over two months without refrigeration; I've tested this with my own chickens and eggs.  Some chickens naturally produce better, more durable bloom layers than others and their eggs will remain fresh for significantly longer than eggs from poorer laying hens.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #26554297 - 03/24/20 01:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

+1 for using the word jingoistic :thumbup:


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26554437 - 03/24/20 05:21 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I haven't ever heard of the salmonella contamination coming from outside.

'free range' being healthier seems like 'bro science', like 'grass fed', whatever those terms legally mean.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 4
    #26555136 - 03/24/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I haven't ever heard of the salmonella contamination coming from outside.

'free range' being healthier seems like 'bro science', like 'grass fed', whatever those terms legally mean.





I don't peddle in bro science.

Besides knowing for a fact that birds who cluck around all day, scratching, eating bugs and greens, pecking, squawking, getting exercise, getting banged by at least one cock, and generally doing chicken things that make chickens happy, are healthier chickens with more robust immune systems and they dont have to wallow in piles of their own feces and as such lay healthier eggs...its just common fucking sense.

If you sat around on an ever fattening ass while eating a monotonous diet of processed sugar, would you be healthier than a highly skilled hunter gatherer who foraged and was active most of the day while eating a varied diet of mostly raw ingredients?

:justno:

The free range chickens I described above--as well as cows who walk around on grass all day, harvesting grasses, chewing their cud, and doing cow things--are not only healthier animals but they produce eggs and meat that are both healthier and more nutritious.  The meat produced by free range grass fed beef cattle has less cholesterol and is leaner; it has higher vitamin & mineral contents; and, amongst other good things, is higher in conjugated linoleic acid.

You're welcome.  Bro


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: relic]
    #26555149 - 03/24/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

'I dont peddle in bro science'
Proceeds to peddle bro science.
'common sense'
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 4
    #26555166 - 03/24/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Lmao. This guy is delusional. Chickens in their natural state are healthier than factory farm raised ones. It's not hard to understand. You're just ignant.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #26555168 - 03/24/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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'I dont peddle in bro science'
Proceeds to peddle bro science.
'common sense'
:justno:





Continue to show your ignorance; I care not.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: relic] * 1
    #26555180 - 03/24/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think he’s the only special person in the club 🤔


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