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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos]
    #26548951 - 03/21/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Your articles have dosages corresponding to the graph. And they are pretty high.



Is 'pretty high' lethal?  Source?

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That graph also has a sample size of 26 and no error bars, without the raw data sadly. It's something to look at, but if you're making conclusions you might as well throw darts at a list of drugs.



Though I agree with you, your post about the results of Nigerians self medicating themselves without guidance is FAR more dubious.  :shrug:  I saw no sample sizes, no dosages, no error bars...


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26549027 - 03/21/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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That is capitalism. He cornered the market, knocked out his competition, and completely controlled the supply of a high demand product. A product without which, people would die. This means he had unlimited room to dictate his price, and people would have to pay it to live.

People say that's some special "evil" kind of capitalism, but no, they are wrong. This is what capitalism looks like. This is absolute peak capitalism, a textbook example.




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They just raised the price of chloroquine 98% (maybe more soon).  Capitalism baby.



And now "investment bankers have pressed health care companies on the front lines of fighting the novel coronavirus to consider ways that they can profit from the crisis.

Over the past few weeks, investment bankers have been candid on investor calls and during health care conferences about the opportunity to raise drug prices. In some cases, bankers received sharp rebukes from health care executives"

BANKS PRESSURE HEALTH CARE FIRMS TO RAISE PRICES ON CRITICAL DRUGS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES FOR CORONAVIRUS


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: koods] * 1
    #26549163 - 03/21/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Chloroquine is not a drug that people in most of the world would be taking. Malaria is pretty much resistant to it.




Yes for sure.

My reasoning was that if a large proportion of the adult population received it when they were young did it give them some type of resistance??

Couple that with children not being as susceptible, might be a reason for these countries not appearing to have the same numbers of cases the west does.

I'll find a map pic and edit it in.


This was the web page I was looking at.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/17/an-effective-treatment-for-coronavirus-covid-19-has-been-found-in-a-common-anti-malarial-drug/

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Chloroquine can prevent and treat coronavirus in primate cells






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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26549238 - 03/21/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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We're now on track to be number one in the world:



We're not leveling yet.  Pretty sure we're going to be #1 in the WORLD!



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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26549250 - 03/21/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The British government is not letting go of chloroquine either.

That curve graph, the standout country is Hong Kong.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26549254 - 03/21/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Australia is doing reasonably well compared to most others...


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26549262 - 03/21/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Our testing is up but I'm really disappointed to see the top level football codes STILL playing, it makes little sense.

They are trying to paint it as if they are an indispensable part of life.

And that's fine, but if they want to do that they should put exceptional procedures in place to prove they can achieve no spread of the virus.

As soon as one top level player tests positive, and one will, they will look extremely irresponsible and stupid.

Greed man, it's rearing it's ugly head everywhere.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #26549314 - 03/21/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't have to give him a pass for thast. It's an inconsequential thing only idiots would think about.
Well he is saying that, I don't know what is happening behind the scenes, and I'm not enough of a moron to act like I do.

This virus has definitely made it easier to see who is an NPC




Just saying...hypocrites are gonna sit there and blather on about how china downplayed everything and ignore the fact that our president totally downplayed it all. I dont think any of this is by any means his fault per say.

I feel lile the real robots are the ones who parrot dumb talking points and ad hominem name calling, or come up with retarded psychological syndromes to describe people who don't agree with Mr. Trumpleforeskin.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26549560 - 03/21/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Where is this data that chloroquine is effective? We need data.



It appears it does well in combination with azithromycin.  Here's some early results:



Source




Those results are garbage. It was a six day study. If patients didn’t make it through the six day course they were removed from the study. Six hydroxychloroquine patients were disqualified. One died. Three were transferred to ICU. One couldn’t handle the side effects and one walked out of the hospital.

You can get great results if you simply don’t count the bad outcomes. No responsible person should be posting this study. You’ll do the right thing.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: koods] * 1
    #26549572 - 03/21/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If you read the tweet by the guy promoting this study that trump retweeted you see that he believes hydroxychloroquine can cure HIV, HSV and  HPV. It’s the worst kind of hucksterism. And trump is promoting it.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: koods]
    #26549714 - 03/21/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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No responsible person should be posting this study.



As I said, these were just early results.  Of course it's going to take a lot more study to become FDA approved.

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If you read the tweet by the guy promoting this study that trump retweeted you see that he believes hydroxychloroquine can cure HIV, HSV and  HPV. It’s the worst kind of hucksterism. And trump is promoting it.



Source?


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26549916 - 03/21/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Trumps tweets


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: koods]
    #26549951 - 03/21/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, you said that.  Link?


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26549960 - 03/21/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Twitter


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: koods] * 1
    #26550010 - 03/22/20 12:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-03-19/coronavirus--drugs-and-vaccines-to-treat-and-prevent-covid-19/12067496?section=health

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The Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced a $17 million package to fast-track a coronavirus vaccine developed in the state.

She said the funding would support the University of Queensland (UQ) as the only Australian organisation and one of six worldwide to be tasked to develop a vaccine against COVID-19 by the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations.

It included:

$10 million from the Queensland Government
$3 million from the Federal Government
$3.5 million from the Paul Ramsay Foundation




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When will we get a vaccine for COVID-19?


Lots of different groups around the world are working on possible COVID-19 vaccines.

"There are now 15 potential vaccine candidates in the pipeline globally using a wide range of technolog[ies]: mRNA, DNA, nanoparticle, synthetic and modified virus-like particles," said microbiologist Ian Henderson of the University of Queensland.

The US National Institutes of Health announced that they have funded phase 1 clinical trials of a potential COVID-19 vaccine, called mRNA-1273, which began this week.

The vaccine was able to be brought to clinical trials so quickly because researchers had already been working on a vaccine to protect against another coronavirus, which causes Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS).

While results from this first trial may be available within three months, it will still take at least a year and likely longer for a resulting vaccine to be widely available to the public.


Closer to home, last month Queensland researchers were ready to begin testing another potential COVID-19 vaccine on animals, and hope to then start human trials of it by the middle of the year.

But getting to clinical trials, and proving your vaccine is both safe and effective, isn't the only challenge scientists developing these vaccines face.

"The next challenge will be finding enough production capacity globally to produce these competing vaccines, at a scale that millions or even billions of people can be vaccinated," Professor Henderson said.

Which is why we're still hearing it will take at least 12 to 18 months, for a COVID-19 vaccine to be widely available.




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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26550049 - 03/22/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't have to give him a pass for thast. It's an inconsequential thing only idiots would think about.
Well he is saying that, I don't know what is happening behind the scenes, and I'm not enough of a moron to act like I do.

This virus has definitely made it easier to see who is an NPC




Just saying...hypocrites are gonna sit there and blather on about how china downplayed everything and ignore the fact that our president totally downplayed it all. I dont think any of this is by any means his fault per say.

I feel lile the real robots are the ones who parrot dumb talking points and ad hominem name calling, or come up with retarded psychological syndromes to describe people who don't agree with Mr. Trumpleforeskin.




The president coming out and telling the public that it isn't that bad isn't even close to the same as china covering up the event.
The fact you think those are in any way similar in intent of practice shows what a naive person you are


China caused a pandemic and people that I can barely acknowledge as mammals or living beings at all try to equivocate trump with this.

we need corona, it shows who the NPC's are.
China caused a pandemic and people try to act like trump used the wrong words to the public.
He should have just told us it's 'Spanish flu bad' from the first day and caused a worse panic


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 3
    #26550069 - 03/22/20 01:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:dudewtf:

I think you may have overdosed on the hate pills?

There's a difference between making a point and what you tapped out above.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26550090 - 03/22/20 01:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Some would say he took all the hate pills that day

It gets annoying when there are millions of people that act like our government is as oppressive as China's

China isn't even a developed nation. It's a despotic crap hole that tries to play itself up with propaganda. It's government is literally worse than the Nazi government.


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 4
    #26550216 - 03/22/20 05:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Some would say he took all the hate pills that day

It gets annoying when there are millions of people that act like our government is as oppressive as China's

China isn't even a developed nation. It's a despotic crap hole that tries to play itself up with propaganda. It's government is literally worse than the Nazi government.




I am an expat, and have lived here for over 12 years.

I won't offer any statements about wider political issues, as I don't trust the propaganda from either side (US/UK or Chinese) but I will say that even if you do not approve of the Chinese government they did a brilliant job of containing this virus. I saw this with my own eyes.

A few weeks ago my own government told all British nationals to flee China and for their own safety come home. I was worried at that time about the safety of my family, but had I listened to them, my family would now be in a much more dangerous situation, as the UK authorities have basically allowed the virus to run rampant over there (mimicking as always the US government).

It is the UK government I hold responsible for this, not the Chinese, because they had every opportunity and forewarning to do something, and what they did, was almost literally nothing.

Look at the gradient in the graphs above. The US is skyrocketing, and yet at the same time isn't really testing, so the actual gradient is much, much steeper!

The west needs to hold its own leaders to account, for what is happening within the west, not allow themselves to be manipulated into absolving them from all blame, with good old xenophobia (same method Chinese government uses btw).

People are understandably miffed that the Chinese government didn't act sooner, but the fact is they acted a lot sooner, and a lot more aggressively than the UK/US government did, or is even now doing. So why the double standards?

Because, let's face it, the Chinese government are Chinese, and since time immemorial viruses like this have -by morons- been blamed upon dirty foreigners.

This, regardless of the fact that in destroying the natural world, man and wild animals have been forced into ever-increasing proximity, and virologists, and epidemiologists have been warning us of all this for years. It's been a long time coming.

This, in spite of the fact that Donald Trump dismantled the very program that was set up to defend Americans and the world from such an eventuality.

But the thing is, attitudes (Chinese numbers are BS) like yours do not help the wider world or yourself, because they undermine public trust in measures that were successful in containing a virus, that if left to its own devices, will kill millions of your own people.

What the world needs is global cooperation, and a stop to all the finger pointing. You need to act on, and imitate the Chinese and Korean methods, and may even need their help at some point (masks ventilators etc)!

Blaming others might make you feel better about yourself, but the only people who can save you now, is your own government and obviously therefore your (by which I mean everyone's) anger, and indignation, is put to better use, focused upon them.

As shown by democratic South Korea, this virus could have been stopped, or dramatically slowed.

They (the US/UK) have had far, far more time, and have done far, far less for their own people.

Right now your own house is on fire, and your own government responsible for containing, and putting it out...


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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #26550224 - 03/22/20 05:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Defending his stupidity in face of a pandemic shows either blind loyalty or contrarianism just for the truck of it. We need corona to point out people with such dangerous mindsets.


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