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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26538581 - 03/16/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: So you really think the cases in China stopped in the 80,000's?
Assuming the best out of people feels nice
Yes. That's why they can send their now unneeded ventilators to other countries that desperately need them.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26538656 - 03/16/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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China did fuck the pooch on this one they KNEW that meat markets like that could start a pandemic back in the 2000s they have 0 excuse for allowing the disease to get as bad as it did. They underreported cases, they minimized the impact, China IS the biggest reason this spread.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#26538668 - 03/16/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Also the reason people were selling butchered bats,cats,camels,dogs etc is not because they just like the taste it's because the communists give good livestock to the rich so poor farmers needed something to sell and they know that so they allow open meat markets that are known to cause these types of diseases.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Seriously_trippin] 2
#26538710 - 03/16/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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China did quite a bit to protect themselves against pandemics.
They exported the pollution and most of the disease associated with meat (pork) production to the US.
They simply transferred the highly paid executive positions to Beijing. Pretty smart move on their part.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#26538744 - 03/16/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: They underreported cases, they minimized the impact, China IS the biggest reason this spread.
You don't minimize impact by underreporting.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Seriously_trippin] 1
#26539379 - 03/16/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: China did fuck the pooch on this one they KNEW that meat markets like that could start a pandemic back in the 2000s they have 0 excuse for allowing the disease to get as bad as it did. They underreported cases, they minimized the impact, China IS the biggest reason this spread.
Meh the markets are bad but they really aren’t any worse than our mass scale chicken and hog farms. We think they’re uncivilized because they eat things we don’t. But let’s be honest, the only reason we think grinding up the body of a cow to make a hamburger isn’t savagery is because we are used to it. You think pouring animal bodily fluids on your cereal is normal. Lobsters are like oversized waterbugs, but they are a delicacy. We have a western chauvinist view of their eating habits.
Closing the markets will prevent a future new virus but once this one jumped to a human the animal vector became irrelevant because of human to human spread
Interestingly, The WHO recommendation for people with the coronavirus is to avoid all contact with wild animals.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26539381 - 03/16/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: From The Atlantic:
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The president’s misinformation and mendacity about the coronavirus are head-snapping. He claimed that it was contained in America when it was actually spreading. He claimed that we had “shut it down” when we had not. He claimed that testing was available when it wasn’t. He claimed that the coronavirus will one day disappear “like a miracle”; it won’t. He claimed that a vaccine would be available in months; Fauci says it will not be available for a year or more.
Trump falsely blamed the Obama administration for impeding coronavirus testing. He stated that the coronavirus first hit the United States later than it actually did. (He said that it was three weeks prior to the point at which he spoke; the actual figure was twice that.) The president claimed that the number of cases in Italy was getting “much better” when it was getting much worse. And in one of the more stunning statements an American president has ever made, Trump admitted that his preference was to keep a cruise ship off the California coast rather than allowing it to dock, because he wanted to keep the number of reported cases of the coronavirus artificially low. (Cooler heads prevailed, and over the president’s objections, the Grand Princess was allowed to dock at the Port of Oakland.)
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specialpeopleclub said: The Altlantic is a leftist eat like most mainstream outlets.
What do you think they got wrong from the quote above?
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26539408 - 03/16/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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fuck the Chinese especially xi. I'm partially convinced they created it
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: koods]
#26539419 - 03/16/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: China did fuck the pooch on this one they KNEW that meat markets like that could start a pandemic back in the 2000s they have 0 excuse for allowing the disease to get as bad as it did. They underreported cases, they minimized the impact, China IS the biggest reason this spread.
Meh the markets are bad but they really aren’t any worse than our mass scale chicken and hog farms. We think they’re uncivilized because they eat things we don’t. But let’s be honest, the only reason we think grinding up the body of a cow to make a hamburger isn’t savagery is because we are used to it. You think pouring animal bodily fluids on your cereal is normal. Lobsters are like oversized waterbugs, but they are a delicacy. We have a western chauvinist view of their eating habits.
Closing the markets will prevent a future new virus but once this one jumped to a human the animal vector became irrelevant because of human to human spread
Interestingly, The WHO recommendation for people with the coronavirus is to avoid all contact with wild animals.
The reason these particular meat markets are the direct cause of this virus is because animals like that carry highly infectious diseases unlike cows, pigs or chickens. Also the conditions inside meat markets added to the infection rate. When you have to put bats that aren't even cooked stacked on top of each other feces in blood transmitted just by the bats being contained in search unsanitary condition even for raw beef. Sure lobsters are Bottom Feeders but they are not nearly as dangerous disease conducting wise bats cats and dogs. They knew this because of the SARS outbreak is the exact same conditions just started it in a different Meat Market.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Seriously_trippin] 2
#26539490 - 03/16/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: The reason these particular meat markets are the direct cause of this virus is because animals like that carry highly infectious diseases unlike cows, pigs or chickens. Also the conditions inside meat markets added to the infection rate. When you have to put bats that aren't even cooked stacked on top of each other feces in blood transmitted just by the bats being contained in search unsanitary condition even for raw beef. Sure lobsters are Bottom Feeders but they are not nearly as dangerous disease conducting wise bats cats and dogs. They knew this because of the SARS outbreak is the exact same conditions just started it in a different Meat Market.
Dude, are you kidding me? US chickens are some of the deadliest chickens in the world. The US is one of the only countries in the world where chickens are not required to be vaccinated for salmonella. Which is why the US averages 142,000 cases of salmonella every year while the UK clocks about 500.
US chicken is technically illegal to sell in the EU, as are US eggs, because neither of them meets quality standards.
That's what we eat.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos]
#26539657 - 03/16/20 11:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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pigs or chickens
Where do you think the bird flus and the swine flus come from?
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos]
#26539693 - 03/16/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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How many countries had to go on mass lockdown because of a pandemic infecting and killing people so fast that the updates are by the hour caused by swine flu agian or salmonella? That's never happened because its ridiculous to compare swine flu and salmonella to covid19
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: lighthouse09]
#26539890 - 03/17/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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China didn't do a good job. Them lying about it for two months and caused the whole thing, then they failed to contain it, then lied about closing down the markets where it started
Bunch of Chinese shills here. You like communism so much, go live there. Someone else thinking for you can only be an improvement of you are trusting the Chinese government.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#26540175 - 03/17/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: China didn't do a good job. Them lying about it for two months and caused the whole thing, then they failed to contain it, then lied about closing down the markets where it started
Bunch of Chinese shills here. You like communism so much, go live there. Someone else thinking for you can only be an improvement of you are trusting the Chinese government.
I'm no Chinese shill, you just don't know what you are talking about.
The Chinese didn't lie about the virus for two months.
Here's a timeline for you, since using Google is apparently too difficult.
November 17-23: The virus jumped from animals to humans in the third week of November.
December 30, 2019: Li Wenliang (the Chinese whistleblower doctor who died) sent a message to fellow doctors in a chat group warning them to wear protective clothing to avoid infection. The 34-year-old had noticed seven cases of a virus that he thought looked like Sars - the virus that led to a global epidemic in 2003. Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter. In the letter he was accused of "making false comments" that had "severely disturbed the social order".
December 31, 2019: Chinese health officials reported a cluster of cases of acute respiratory illness to the World Health Organization.
January 7, 2020 Chinese health officials confirmed that a novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) was associated with this initial cluster (1).
Sources
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6905e1.htm https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51364382
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: waves]
#26540191 - 03/17/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Without the doctor that died releasing the information, we wouldn't have known for even longer. We don't even know how The Chinese government interrogated him for this. I wouldn't put anything past them considering their reputation.
The Chinese government has a history of suppressing information to 'save face'. Do you think they really stopped this infection completely?
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26540204 - 03/17/20 08:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Without the doctor that died releasing the information, we wouldn't have known for even longer.
That's a different point entirely, but you could be right.
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specialpeopleclub said: The Chinese government has a history of suppressing information to 'save face'.
Correct
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specialpeopleclub said: Do you think they really stopped this infection completely?
Probably not.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: waves] 1
#26540211 - 03/17/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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There, we agree
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos] 1
#26542327 - 03/18/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Let me be a bit more on the nose: "Democratic countries need to protect democracy by limiting the power of the people and enforcing state control"
In specific cases yes. Complex issues often require very long term planning and investment which take longer than a political cycle to get done. Emergency/disaster preparedness is one of those. The white house’s global health and security team was disbanded two years ago and now we’re facing the consequences of that.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Skellies]
#26542794 - 03/18/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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But muh Free Market!
Would, for example, establishing a social safety net fall into one of those preparedness schemes? How about universal healthcare?
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos]
#26542996 - 03/18/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The US doesn't appear to be taking this seriously enough. We're about to pass Iran and Spain for fastest growth rate (sorry for the poor image quality):
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