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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos]
#26535041 - 03/14/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know about 'every day'. The world is safer and more coof filled than its ever been coof coof
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: koods]
#26535062 - 03/14/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: China has a problem in its success. Now the rest of the world is its biggest threat to their health. Doesn’t mean the public health strategy here is bad. It’s exactly right.

However, if that guy is on the money we will see a backlash against foreigners (edit; living in China) soon that the Chinese government will use to it's advantage, regardless of the leadership taken.
Edited by Stable Genius (03/14/20 06:03 PM)
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos]
#26535228 - 03/14/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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This really shows how relying on global supply chains is risky. Democratic countries need to start putting procedures and stockpiles in place that are resistant to political changes.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Skellies]
#26535686 - 03/14/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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"democratic countries really need to focus on changing the natural democratic expansion of their economies into one more aligned with state interests"
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos] 1
#26535714 - 03/14/20 11:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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https://www.wired.com/story/jack-ma-supply-us-covid-19-tests-masks/
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As the US government promises to ramp up more Covid-19 testing, an unlikely billionaire is offering to lend his help: Jack Ma, cofounder of the Chinese tech giant Alibaba. Ma’s philanthropic organization, the Jack Ma Foundation, said early Friday morning it would donate 500,000 Covid-19 testing kits and 1 million protective face masks to the US. The action comes after US health authorities have struggled for weeks to test people for the new coronavirus, falling far behind testing rates in other developed countries like Italy and South Korea.
“The crisis presents a huge challenge to all humankind in a globalized world,” Ma said in a statement published to Twitter just after midnight on the East Coast. “The pandemic we face today can no longer be resolved by any individual country. Rather, we need to combat the virus by working hand in hand. At this moment, we can’t beat this virus unless we eliminate boundaries to resources and share our know-how and hard-earned lessons.” The Jack Ma Foundation says it has already contributed supplies to other countries combating the coronavirus, including Japan, Korea, Italy, Iran, and Spain.
The donation is likely designed to do more than just boost the struggling health care system in the US. It’s a shrewd economic and political move that comes as relations between China and the US have grown tense. As China tries to restart its economy after it struggled to combat the coronavirus, it needs the US economy to be functional, too. Ma’s offer also deftly highlights US missteps while promoting cooperation.
“I was floored by the announcement,” says Samm Sacks, an expert on China at New America, a Washington, DC think tank. “This is at once an olive branch for the two sides to step it up and collaborate, and a jab at the Trump administration.”
Officials in the Trump administration have repeatedly blamed China for the outbreak of Covid-19, while Chinese authorities have recently tried to push a conspiracy theory that the virus actually originated in the US, rather than Hubei province in China. Ma’s statement paints China as a rational leader equipped to aid a world superpower like the US, even as the Communist Party weathers the fallout from its own botched initial response to the coronavirus. “Jack Ma’s move is both very generous and politically savvy,” says Julia Voo, the research director of the China Cyber Policy Initiative at Harvard.
Nobody is saying whether the testing kits Ma has pledged to donate can actually be used in the US. The Food and Drug Administration is now allowing state and local laboratories to validate their own tests, which they can then use without needing to rely on the Centers for Disease Control's own version. It’s possible the tests Ma plans to donate could be validated in this way, but it’s unclear if there are plans to do so. The FDA did not immediately return a request for comment. A spokesperson for Alibaba was also unable to provide details on the types of tests that will be donated and declined to comment about the announcement.
It’s also unclear how Ma’s donation might play with the Chinese government, or whether it had any involvement in organizing it. China has taken an increasingly hard stance in its dealings with the US, but the testing kits and masks fit with a national narrative that positions China as a leading player in solving the coronavirus pandemic. “I think there's a big push to build China as a savior,” says James Palmer, a senior editor at Foreign Policy and author of The Death of Mao, a book on the rise of modern China. “And because they ramped up manufacturing and brought up capacity, [they are] in a good position to do so.”
Tensions between the US and China have risen more broadly over the past couple of years, as the US has pushed for improved trade terms and concessions on market access and technology transfer. The White House has also imposed restrictions on business dealings with Chinese companies, which often appear designed to hamper technological development. The shock to global supply chains caused by the coronavirus has given US companies further incentive to diversify sourcing of components and products beyond China to avoid disaster in the event of a future global crisis. But disagreements between the world’s two largest economies also make it more challenging to deal with such a global emergency.
A decoupling of the US and China, where economic, technological, and political ties are frayed or severed, would be bad news for companies like Alibaba that depend on free trade and shared technology. The ecommerce giant has expanded its reach internationally in recent years through a series of acquisitions and investments. It also sources technology like microchips from the US for its cloud computing business. Shortly after Trump took office, Ma met with the president and promised to bring more than a million jobs to the US by connecting small businesses to suppliers and consumers.
Sacks says Ma’s offer marks a new turn in the rapidly evolving relationship between the world’s two greatest superpowers. “With this gesture, Ma seems to be saying that China is not just stepping up to fill the void in global leadership left by the Trump administration,” she says. “But now, and this is what is unprecedented to me, the void in US domestic leadership to navigate through our crisis here at home.”
That last paragraph goes in for the kill. China isn't just showing global leadership, China is showing leadership in the US.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos] 1
#26535734 - 03/15/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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China isn't showing leadership. They are losing and pushing propaganda like their government always does. They tried to duck the numbers in the beginning, and they tried to spread disinformation about where it origionated. Their hiding it caused the slow response time.
The Chinese government is
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China is guaranteeing it will be infected again. For us it's good because it slows it down. The faced of China being a.developed nation, and second in the world is over. It's just the last two years of World War Two... the battle of Midway destroys Japan's navy. There was no way to win at that point.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos] 1
#26535760 - 03/15/20 12:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: That last paragraph goes in for the kill. China isn't just showing global leadership, China is showing leadership in the US.
Jack Ma is. How does that tie in with the CCP?
What a pity they couldn't show some leadership when it comes to minorities like the Uygurs or the Falun Gong.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Stable Genius] 2
#26535777 - 03/15/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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They mention the Falun Gong in some advchina videos.
Turns out they are Nazis with magic and we should all fear them and their forbidden jutsu

Look at that swassi. They'll be ethnicity cleansing our souls of bad chi before we know it once they cast some debuffs on the CCP
My ignorance teaches me all. I'm am a filthy subhuman!!!!
Edit, here is their wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong I assume their magic meat parts are why they are killed for their organs
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26536112 - 03/15/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Great share, While the people's cooperation did a great job in containment, its a tap for its citizen and the rest of the world to wake-up.
China's governace has some stinky shits, they've been putting alot of budget & effort interms of militarization for the past 5-8 years or so.. and have been breaking countries repected/signed borders lately creating disputes around SEA, while raping the environment and its citizens.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos] 2
#26536150 - 03/15/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: "democratic countries really need to focus on changing the natural democratic expansion of their economies into one more aligned with state interests"
Yes. Supply chains are political and having almost all our emergency supplies manufactured in another country (especially one with competing interests) is risky.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Skellies] 2
#26536456 - 03/15/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: China isn't showing leadership. They are losing and pushing propaganda like their government always does. They tried to duck the numbers in the beginning, and they tried to spread disinformation about where it origionated. Their hiding it caused the slow response time.
The Chinese government is
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I think you misspelled "USA"
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Kryptos said: "democratic countries really need to focus on changing the natural democratic expansion of their economies into one more aligned with state interests"
Yes. Supply chains are political and having almost all our emergency supplies manufactured in another country (especially one with competing interests) is risky.
Let me be a bit more on the nose: "Democratic countries need to protect democracy by limiting the power of the people and enforcing state control"
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] 2
#26536647 - 03/15/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: China isn't showing leadership. They are losing and pushing propaganda like their government always does. They tried to duck the numbers in the beginning, and they tried to spread disinformation about where it origionated. Their hiding it caused the slow response time. The Chinese government is always lying.
I often want to respond to many your posts, but there's almost never any actual facts to discuss, just a bunch of hate filled empty rhetoric.
For example, you claim China, who is currently doing more for other countries than anyone else, "tried to spread disinformation". I don't know what you're referring to, but here's real examples of disinformation from The Atlantic:
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The president’s misinformation and mendacity about the coronavirus are head-snapping. He claimed that it was contained in America when it was actually spreading. He claimed that we had “shut it down” when we had not. He claimed that testing was available when it wasn’t. He claimed that the coronavirus will one day disappear “like a miracle”; it won’t. He claimed that a vaccine would be available in months; Fauci says it will not be available for a year or more.
Trump falsely blamed the Obama administration for impeding coronavirus testing. He stated that the coronavirus first hit the United States later than it actually did. (He said that it was three weeks prior to the point at which he spoke; the actual figure was twice that.) The president claimed that the number of cases in Italy was getting “much better” when it was getting much worse. And in one of the more stunning statements an American president has ever made, Trump admitted that his preference was to keep a cruise ship off the California coast rather than allowing it to dock, because he wanted to keep the number of reported cases of the coronavirus artificially low. (Cooler heads prevailed, and over the president’s objections, the Grand Princess was allowed to dock at the Port of Oakland.)
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26537204 - 03/15/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think everyone that talks about how globalism is evil should take a look at the last week. Really take a look, and decide: Is this how you want life to be forever? Because right now, we're doing a trial run of partial global shutdown.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos]
#26537215 - 03/15/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Altlantic is a leftist eat like most mainstream outlets.
I have common sense. It's obvious the Chinese government to some extent let this out another the world would share in the economic pain. That's the way they have always acted.
Once you've seen enough actions by something for someone, you can I understand their motives and make predictions and assumptions.
Here is an artical written by Rubio. Everyone that isnt a shill or a rube
https://fofg.org/wp-content/uploads/SF-Falun-Gong-Vigil-20161022-680x420.jpg
The Chinese government isn't analogous to the Chinese people, and I'd say its worse than the Nazi government
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Kryptos said: I think everyone that talks about how globalism is evil should take a look at the last week. Really take a look, and decide: Is this how you want life to be forever? Because right now, we're doing a trial run of partial global shutdown.
America is self sufficient because of shale oil. We don't need China or globalism.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] 3
#26537256 - 03/15/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have common sense. It's obvious the Chinese government to some extent let this out another the world would share in the economic pain. That's the way they have always acted.
Not it’s not common sense. It’s the sense you get by rotting your mind reading zerohedge and listening to Alex Jones.
China literally depends on the rest of the world having a strong consumer economy.
Your posts are absolute garbage and completely detached from reality
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: koods]
#26537616 - 03/15/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I haven't ever watched either of them, minus the Rogan interviews.
Earlier in the thread I posted videos of the people I think are good to listen to The Argentina team, and Peter Zeihan.
I go through phases of interest throughout the world. People that think the Chinese government has any sort of good intent are ignorant and probably idealistic about socialism.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26537690 - 03/16/20 12:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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A self serving Chinese government would not wreck the world economy. For what? Schadenfreude?
Completely batshit
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: koods]
#26537738 - 03/16/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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That is completely in line with the tendencies of communist governments. It gives them an opportunity to try to lie about the origin.
In America we propaganda won't work, for the most part. The Chinese people don't have many dissenting ideas coming in from independent sources.
Inflicting this on the rest of the world also takes away the excuse of disease for not continuing trade with china. Why discriminate when everyone has it?
So you really think the cases in China stopped in the 80,000's?
Assuming the best out of people feels nice
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] 3
#26538324 - 03/16/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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China pretty good job Specialpeopleclub your shit makes no sense
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