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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Eminence] 1
#26577556 - 04/04/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Decide for yourself what's going on here, but there is no possible misinterpretation of the videos of people being dragged away from their houses.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/378365/coronavirus-patients-welded-into-homes-in-china-as-death-toll-spirals-to-813/
They've been getting lots of urns too. And there was another video I saw of a chinese person filming outside their apartment with enormous controlled flames in the distance, implying a possible mass cremation.
So first, China is criticized for not doing enough to stop the spread of the virus, and then they're criticized for doing way too much. You guys need to make up your minds.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#26577559 - 04/04/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said: At the very least China and the WHO had trouble getting there story straight with the contradictory information
Agreed. Both sides had losing propositions.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26577562 - 04/04/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Decide for yourself what's going on here, but there is no possible misinterpretation of the videos of people being dragged away from their houses.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/378365/coronavirus-patients-welded-into-homes-in-china-as-death-toll-spirals-to-813/
They've been getting lots of urns too. And there was another video I saw of a chinese person filming outside their apartment with enormous controlled flames in the distance, implying a possible mass cremation.
So first, China is criticized for not doing enough to stop the spread of the virus, and then they're criticized for doing way too much. You guys need to make up your minds.
You're right. The US should start just killing the sick.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 3
#26577566 - 04/04/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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China is currently doing more for the people of NYC than the Federal Government.
Think about that. Trump fucked up so badly that China is now bailing him out. Loser doesn't even begin to describe it.
Republicans are an existential threat to human life.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Eminence]
#26577570 - 04/04/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Eminence said: You're right. The US should start just killing the sick.
What do you mean I'm right? Where did I say that? You really want to become the new king of make believe, don't you?
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos]
#26577572 - 04/04/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hahaha Chinese nationals are on live streams bragging about buying out all the masks in US stores to send back to China, and then China "saves" us buy sending us masks. What a seriously fucked up country
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26577574 - 04/04/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Eminence said: You're right. The US should start just killing the sick.
What do you mean I'm right? Where did I say that? You really want to become the new king of make believe, don't you?
Well what's your take on the vid you watched?
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26577575 - 04/04/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It goes with how they have a history of acting, I've seen the videos of them sealing people and taking them off the street. I'm not here to convince you and cite sources. If you want to think China is acting humanely, that's fine. It goes against everything I've seen or read on china.Quote:
Kryptos said: China is currently doing more for the people of NYC than the Federal Government.
Think about that. Trump fucked up so badly that China is now bailing him out. Loser doesn't even begin to describe it.
Republicans are an existential threat to human life.
You can't hurt someone, then treat them, then claim credit. That's like on that King of the Hill episode where Bobbie fakes to push Hanknin the water then goes 'saved your life'
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Eminence said: Decide for yourself what's going on here, but there is no possible misinterpretation of the videos of people being dragged away from their houses.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/378365/coronavirus-patients-welded-into-homes-in-china-as-death-toll-spirals-to-813/
They've been getting lots of urns too. And there was another video I saw of a chinese person filming outside their apartment with enormous controlled flames in the distance, implying a possible mass cremation.
So first, China is criticized for not doing enough to stop the spread of the virus, and then they're criticized for doing way too much. You guys need to make up your minds.
That's a retarded strawman. The problem isn't 'not doing enough', it's about every single thing they say being a lie. The Chinese government is trying to tell the Chinese people that we brought the virus in. Foreigners are being disallowed from going to public places in China after being found healthy. People that have been there for years.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] 2
#26577586 - 04/04/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Hahaha Chinese nationals are on live streams bragging about buying out all the masks in US stores to send back to China, and then China "saves" us buy sending us masks. What a seriously fucked up country 
Ummm...This is literally how capitalism works. You buy out the supply, corner the market, and then raise the price to make a profit. China is beating us at our own game.
Matter of fact, we were happy to sell those supplies not that long ago, while offering government cash to the companies making the sales.
The only difference is that was back when this was all a hoax and we could make a quick buck.
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Kryptos said: China is currently doing more for the people of NYC than the Federal Government.
Think about that. Trump fucked up so badly that China is now bailing him out. Loser doesn't even begin to describe it.
Republicans are an existential threat to human life.
You can't hurt someone, then treat them, then claim credit. That's like on that King of the Hill episode where Bobbie fakes to push Hanknin the water then goes 'saved your life'
Why not? That's how capitalism works. If I pump pollution into your groundwater to make you sick, and then sell you the treatment, that's called good business sense.
It's also the profit model for a good chunk of modern pharmaceuticals, which is basically the only thing the US still leads in.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos] 1
#26577604 - 04/04/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's not cspitalism. It's an absurd caricature of capitalism that the left makes as a straw man.
We are becoming swear of Chinese tactics, so stores hopefully will be more likely to refuse to sell people amounts of stock to horde.
Capitalism isn't anarchy. It's about honest negotiation and exchange. That's not what China does when they have nationals here raid stores and sell food's back to china.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26577615 - 04/04/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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How could anyone trust China after their threatened to withhold medicine? I won't be surprised in the least if those masks are contaminated.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Eminence] 1
#26577688 - 04/04/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Capitalism isn't anarchy. It's about honest negotiation and exchange. That's not what China does when they have nationals here raid stores and sell food's back to china.
Exactly. Negotiation and exchange. That's exactly what I described. If I "negotiate" an "exchange" of goods for money, and then due to external factors, the value of those goods goes back up, then I can once again "exchange" those goods for money, after we "negotiate" a new, and higher, price. You don't get take-backsies.
And that's exactly what we did. We sold masks overseas for a slightly higher price because Coronavirus was a hoax. Now we realized that maybe we need some of those masks. Except the value of those masks has gone up due to external factors. Which is why we are negotiating once again, to buy our masks at a higher price. Because diaper donnie is a stupid, stupid businessman.
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Eminence said: How could anyone trust China after their threatened to withhold medicine? I won't be surprised in the least if those masks are contaminated.
I think you misspelled "Trump".
Or maybe "US healthcare"?
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Kryptos]
#26577706 - 04/04/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You are making a straw man to suit your argument.
Just because one knows free markets distribute goods and decide prices more easily and accurately than a central authority doesn't mean all trade should be allowed.
If I had enough money to go to each store in my county and buy all of the products, then we'll them back at a masked up pric, that shouldn't be allowed.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] 3
#26577725 - 04/04/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im not sure someone who just makes claims about a government sealing people into their doom without evidence has a leg tonstand on when complaining about straw men arguments.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#26577751 - 04/04/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd like proof those people they sealed away didn't die.
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#26577806 - 04/04/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: If I had enough money to go to each store in my county and buy all of the products, then we'll them back at a masked up pric, that shouldn't be allowed.
So, should the government stop that?
"Oh no, save me, government! The capitalists are charging me too much money!"
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] 2
#26577831 - 04/04/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I'd like proof those people they sealed away didn't die.
You don't even have proof it happened....
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: specialpeopleclub] 3
#26577891 - 04/04/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Did you recently just learn what the phrase "straw man" means? You seem to use it in rebuttal of every post that does not align with yours.
You do realize our government lies just like their's right? How do you know the virus started in China? Oh because the news told you, just like some news says we planted it there.
Do you see the problem with your stance on this?
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: Eminence]
#26578066 - 04/04/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Eminence said:
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Eminence said: You're right. The US should start just killing the sick.
What do you mean I'm right? Where did I say the US should start just killing the sick? You really want to become the new king of make believe, don't you?
Well what's your take on the vid you watched?
My take is exactly what I told you: "Some were in fact sealed in in the early stages, but not to die; to try and prevent the disease from spreading. They still got food and water."
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Re: China steps up as global leader against coronavirus [Re: The Influence]
#26578098 - 04/04/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I'd like proof those people they sealed away didn't die.
You don't even have proof it happened....
I was the videos. I didn't see them delivering food to the sealed appartments.
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The Influence said: Did you recently just learn what the phrase "straw man" means? You seem to use it in rebuttal of every post that does not align with yours.
You do realize our government lies just like their's right? How do you know the virus started in China? Oh because the news told you, just like some news says we planted it there.
Do you see the problem with your stance on this?
We can see where it started. China tried to lie about it. They probably let it escape so they could.
The Chinese government lies more than ours. They have no accountability
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