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Seeking Blewit confirmation
#26529258 - 03/11/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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First time finding these... damn, what a cool mushroom.
Habitat: landscape wood chips in live oak habitat, Santa Cruz Mnts, CA
Gills: close, attached
Stem: width up to 2cm, length up to 7cm, solid, skin somewhat bumpy (fibrillose?), base sometimes thicker and asymmetric, small fruit flesh somewhat marbled with deep purple (when cut for cross section), larger fruits pallid in cross section. Base mycelium beautiful purple.
Cap: up to 9cm, inrolled margin then convex, uplifted and wavey.
Spore print: off white, pinkish I think... judging from deposit on a lower cap. (Last night's small cap for a print left me with nothing. Trying again with a larger cap.)
Bruising: deep purple over time
Scent: fragrant, sweet
Taste: Indistinct. Like a tough, store-bought button
Note Third Pic: I guess this phenomenon is fairly common? (and ouch... didn't notice that fucking dog hair )
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Re: Seeking Blewit confirmation [Re: Grosbeak]
#26529310 - 03/11/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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For the one with the confirmed spore print: Lepista nuda.

Its unlikely, yet still possible that an unprinted one is a cortinarius.
Cool mutation in pic 3.
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Re: Seeking Blewit confirmation [Re: Duggstar]
#26529709 - 03/11/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Until you are confident with your identification of the species, double check yourself by printing them all, just for confirmation, take the time to look at your mushrooms with a hand lens and use a field guide or something similar with descriptions of the mushrooms you are interested in while examining them, learn to identify the different characteristics that are mentioned in the species description. This will help you become more proficient at identifying your target species.
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Re: Seeking Blewit confirmation [Re: Doc9151]
#26529733 - 03/11/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Indeed they are and boy are they delicious ...They hate garlic and don't need alot of salt literally a dash and your good...I like em so much that I eat them by theirselves or on a couple of pieces of grilled toast 
Also collect some of the already colonized debris and dig a hole at home and add the debris into the hole and lots of mulch... Now make sure to print quite a few of them I use a encyclopedia with a black cover and leave the caps gills down for 12-24 hours then I scrape the prints into a powder add the powder to a bottle of drinking water shake...now give the mulch and debris a good soaking and pour the bottle of water all over it...Keep it wet every once in awhile and you should be good to go on harvesting them from your own yard
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Re: Seeking Blewit confirmation [Re: HAKR ELITE]
#26529819 - 03/11/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Duggstar said: Lepista nuda 
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Doc9151 said: Until you are confident with your identification of the species, double check yourself by printing them all, just for confirmation, take the time to look at your mushrooms with a hand lens and use a field guide or something similar with descriptions of the mushrooms you are interested in while examining them, learn to identify the different characteristics that are mentioned in the species description. This will help you become more proficient at identifying your target species.
So Doc, I have some questions: when you say "species description," do you mean formal, scientific, species descriptions like Alan actually presents (as in one of my posts, at least)? Also, would you recommend buying a good microscope for spore analysis? I'm scientifically nerdy enough that I'm seriously considering.
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HAKR ELITE said: Indeed they are and boy are they delicious ...They hate garlic and don't need alot of salt literally a dash and your good...I like em so much that I eat them by theirselves or on a couple of pieces of grilled toast 
Also collect some of the already colonized debris and dig a hole at home and add the debris into the hole and lots of mulch... Now make sure to print quite a few of them I use a encyclopedia with a black cover and leave the caps gills down for 12-24 hours then I scrape the prints into a powder add the powder to a bottle of drinking water shake...now give the mulch and debris a good soaking and pour the bottle of water all over it...Keep it wet every once in awhile and you should be good to go on harvesting them from your own yard
I am already half-way there! Did exactly what you said, but I still need a strong, reliable spore print to be absolutely sure of identity.
Anyway, wtf, this is so much fun! THANKS
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Re: Seeking Blewit confirmation [Re: Grosbeak]
#26529855 - 03/11/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I mean the scientific description as you say, It will tell you the macro characteristics of the mushroom, like this given by mushroom expert Michael Kuo. https://www.mushroomexpert.com/clitocybe_nuda.html
If you are like me and enjoy looking at anything under a microscope, I would say hell yeah, but get a binocular compound microscope with a minimum of 10x 40x 100x objectives. This will allow you to see the microcharacterics such as spores, cystidia (there are several types each named by position), Basidia, different types of cities and much more. Spore size is only one piece of the puzzle.
edit: This is the part I'm talking about: Description:
Ecology: Saprobic; growing alone, scattered, gregariously, or in clusters in organic debris--in woods or in urban settings; late summer and fall (and over winter in warm climates); widely distributed in North America.
Cap: 4-20 cm; convex with an inrolled margin when young, becoming broadly convex to nearly flat--or with an uplifted, wavy margin in age; surface smooth, slightly tacky when moist; sometimes finely cracked over the center; usually dull purple, or purplish with brown shades when fresh, fading to brownish, flesh-colored, tan, or paler--but sometimes brown or buff from the beginning.
Gills: Attached to the stem--sometimes by a notch--or beginning to run down it; close or crowded; pale lavender to lilac, fading to buff, pinkish-buff, or brownish.
Stem: 3-10 cm long; 1-3 cm thick at apex; equal, or enlarged at the base; dry; finely hairy, and/or mealy near the apex; pale purple or colored like the gills; becoming brownish in age; base often covered with lilac to buff mycelium.
Flesh: Thick; soft; purplish to lilac-buff or whitish.
Odor and Taste: Taste not distinctive, pleasant, or slightly bitter; odor fragrant.
Spore Print: Pinkish.
Microscopic Details: Spores 5.5-8 x 3.5-5 µ; ellipsoid; roughened or sometimes smooth; inamyloid. Cystidia absent. Pileipellis a cutis of hyphae 1-4 µ wide. Clamp connections present.
Kuo, M. (2010, May). Clitocybe nuda. Retrieved from the MushroomExpert.Com Web site: http://www.mushroomexpert.com/clitocybe_nuda.html
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Edited by Doc9151 (03/11/20 08:23 PM)
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Re: Seeking Blewit confirmation [Re: Doc9151]
#26529873 - 03/11/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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^ Wow! Well I do think having Siegel and Schwarz's Mushrooms of the Redwood Coast on hand is a hellofa good start. And I am gonna take your advice on the microscope specifications. Thanks for the great info!
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Re: Seeking Blewit confirmation [Re: Doc9151]
#26529903 - 03/11/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Also, would you recommend buying a good microscope for spore analysis? I'm scientifically nerdy enough that I'm seriously considering.
It all depends how deep you want to get into it. If you're only interested in foraging for wild food or magic mushrooms, you don't need a microscope, as most of the time you only need to get down to genus level or a certain group within a genus to determine if it's edible or not, and that can usually be determined by field characteristics alone, such as morphology, smell, spore print, substrate it is growing from etc. If you really want to be more precise in your ID's, just out of interest or whatever, then sure, buy a microscope if you want, but there's plenty to learn about mushrooms just by studying the macroscopic characteristics alone.
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Re: Seeking Blewit confirmation [Re: Duggstar]
#26529909 - 03/11/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Also, would you recommend buying a good microscope for spore analysis? I'm scientifically nerdy enough that I'm seriously considering.
It all depends how deep you want to get into it. If you're only interested in foraging for wild food or magic mushrooms, you don't need a microscope, as most of the time you only need to get down to genus level or a certain group within a genus to determine if it's edible or not, and that can usually be determined by field characteristics alone, such as morphology, smell, spore print, substrate it is growing from etc. If you really want to be more precise in your ID's, just out of interest or whatever, then sure, buy a microscope if you want, but there's plenty to learn about mushrooms just by studying the macroscopic characteristics alone.
Awesome... makes good sense. I'll be open. As a kid, I loved peering thru my microscope. Maybe I'll bring it back.
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Re: Seeking Blewit confirmation [Re: Doc9151]
#26529920 - 03/11/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said: Until you are confident with your identification of the species, double check yourself by printing them all, just for confirmation, take the time to look at your mushrooms with a hand lens and use a field guide or something similar with descriptions of the mushrooms you are interested in while examining them, learn to identify the different characteristics that are mentioned in the species description. This will help you become more proficient at identifying your target species.
I don't think there are any toxic lookalikes for Clitocybe nuda.
A good beginners microscope is the Amscope B120. If you get a camera with it get at least the 3 megapixel camera. I use my cell phone.
This is Clitocybe nuda sensu stricto due to the fruity flavor and coast live oak habitat. There is another undescribed blewit in California which is found mostly under cypress and smells unpleasant, but looks extremely similar.
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Doc9151 said: Until you are confident with your identification of the species, double check yourself by printing them all, just for confirmation, take the time to look at your mushrooms with a hand lens and use a field guide or something similar with descriptions of the mushrooms you are interested in while examining them, learn to identify the different characteristics that are mentioned in the species description. This will help you become more proficient at identifying your target species.
I don't think there are any toxic lookalikes for Clitocybe nuda.
That's not what I was saying, I was merely suggesting to examine the mushrooms you have more closely, learn about them, that's all.
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I use my cell phone.
Wait, really? How often in comparison to your other camera gear, which I think you described before.
Anyway, again thanks. I keep thinking I'm being a bother on this site with ID requests... but I keep finding great shit! (to me at least).
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Woodlandcarrot said: For the one with the confirmed spore print: Lepista nuda.

Its unlikely, yet still possible that an unprinted one is a cortinarius.
Cool mutation in pic 3.
Thanks! An excellent response, imo. (but I am just a beginner, and loving it.)
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Re: Seeking Blewit confirmation [Re: Doc9151]
#26530001 - 03/11/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said: I mean the scientific description as you say, It will tell you the macro characteristics of the mushroom, like this given by mushroom expert Michael Kuo. https://www.mushroomexpert.com/clitocybe_nuda.html
Great link... perfect.
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Re: Seeking Blewit confirmation [Re: Grosbeak]
#26530016 - 03/11/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You may know this already...but mushrooms tend to like dropping a heavier spore print when placed under a dome most will put out nice prints without even using a dome but I found Lepista Nuda to be awkward to print...I mean the caps are usually misshaped like a mofo and she likes to take her time dropping a print then when she does it's neat looking yes but it's faint and all over the place...Me I take a sharp knife around the edges and make it so all the gills are touching the surface then I put domes I scored off these suprise toys I got for my kids over them but any dome will work even if it's got to cover them all instead of covering them individually...Give her 12-24 and she will bless you with thick prints
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Re: Seeking Blewit confirmation [Re: Grosbeak]
#26530100 - 03/11/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Grosbeak said:
Thanks! An excellent response, imo. (but I am just a beginner, and loving it.)
Ooh, thank you! 
I looked into the purple Cortinarius again, and apparently they are edible as well, albeit often bitter when cooked.
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Grosbeak said: I keep thinking I'm being a bother on this site with ID requests... but I keep finding great shit! (to me at least).
I think that if the spirit of this board could speak, it would say that frequently posting ID requests for every fungus you find is a welcome challenge to those members who fancy themselves something of an expert, and a great learning opportunity for novices like myself. Its all in the name of science and fun.
Happy huntings!
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Re: Seeking Blewit confirmation [Re: Grosbeak]
#26531983 - 03/13/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Grosbeak said: Wait, really? How often in comparison to your other camera gear, which I think you described before.
Anyway, again thanks. I keep thinking I'm being a bother on this site with ID requests... but I keep finding great shit! (to me at least).
I take 99% of my microscope pictures with a cell phone and 1% with a Nikon Z7 with an Amscope DSLR adapter. The DSLR microscope photos take a lot longer to take and to process, with a cell phone they look almost as good and are ready instantly.
I don't mind the ID requests, it's the main reason I check this site.
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