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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: Sockadin]
    #26543595 - 03/18/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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So let's start talking about making our own Iso. Corn? Who knows how to do this? It's just gonna get worse guys the propaganda machine is saying 18 months.





I've made moonshine, there's no reason to make it isopropyl though, easier to just keep it purely ethyl alcohol (as in the kind you drink)  Corn is popular mostly because it's subsidized, it's actually kind of a hassle to work with.  The cheapest and easiest sugar source is sugar.  If you want to grow stuff yourself then it is worth getting into other things, or if you want it to taste good.


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: gizmo1]
    #26543602 - 03/18/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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So let's start talking about making our own Iso. Corn? Who knows how to do this? It's just gonna get worse guys the propaganda machine is saying 18 months.



Just make a sugar wash and pitch a good universal yeast. If you dont have access to a good universal yeast use a rapid rise bread yeast from a grocery store. I like fleischman yeast walyworld has the best price on it but you can also get it at kroger and maybe surefine. Or wherever.
Then you just wait for the fermentation to stop rack it once to leave behind the muck and distill. Its not exactly iso but just as effective.



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So let's start talking about making our own Iso. Corn? Who knows how to do this? It's just gonna get worse guys the propaganda machine is saying 18 months.



Just make a sugar wash and pitch a good universal yeast. If you dont have access to a good universal yeast use a rapid rise bread yeast from a grocery store. I like fleischman yeast walyworld has the best price on it but you can also get it at kroger and maybe surefine. Or wherever.
Then you just wait for the fermentation to stop rack it once to leave behind the muck and distill. Its not exactly iso but just as effective.




I'd use brewer's yeast rather than bread yeast, they are the same species but different varieties and brewers yeast is a lot better at making alcohol.  I think the best sort for distilling is called Turbo yeast, but it can be difficult to find, champagne yeast is the best of the easily available yeasts.  Wine yeast is preferable to beer yeast, as it can live at higher alcohol content.  Of course you do have to go to a brewing supply store to get brewers yeast, rather than walmart, but that's where I get my dry malt extract anyway.


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: Babylon]
    #26543649 - 03/18/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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So let's start talking about making our own Iso. Corn? Who knows how to do this? It's just gonna get worse guys the propaganda machine is saying 18 months.



Just make a sugar wash and pitch a good universal yeast. If you dont have access to a good universal yeast use a rapid rise bread yeast from a grocery store. I like fleischman yeast walyworld has the best price on it but you can also get it at kroger and maybe surefine. Or wherever.
Then you just wait for the fermentation to stop rack it once to leave behind the muck and distill. Its not exactly iso but just as effective.



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gizmo1 said:
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Sockadin said:
So let's start talking about making our own Iso. Corn? Who knows how to do this? It's just gonna get worse guys the propaganda machine is saying 18 months.



Just make a sugar wash and pitch a good universal yeast. If you dont have access to a good universal yeast use a rapid rise bread yeast from a grocery store. I like fleischman yeast walyworld has the best price on it but you can also get it at kroger and maybe surefine. Or wherever.
Then you just wait for the fermentation to stop rack it once to leave behind the muck and distill. Its not exactly iso but just as effective.




I'd use brewer's yeast rather than bread yeast, they are the same species but different varieties and brewers yeast is a lot better at making alcohol.  I think the best sort for distilling is called Turbo yeast, but it can be difficult to find, champagne yeast is the best of the easily available yeasts.  Wine yeast is preferable to beer yeast, as it can live at higher alcohol content.  Of course you do have to go to a brewing supply store to get brewers yeast, rather than walmart, but that's where I get my dry malt extract anyway.



Id have to disagree. Especially as far as making moonshine bread yeast is desired over a brewing yeast(my opinion). Brewing yeast is better for winemaking by all means but when it comes to making a sanitizer or a moonshine fuck that use fleischmans. Also a univeral yeast I recommended is a brewing yeast not a bread yeast.

https://www.clawhammersupply.com/blogs/moonshine-still-blog/11824025-bourbon-whiskey-vodka-and-moonshine-how-much-yeast
"If you have read The Best Yeasts for Distilling you know that we are very fond of bread yeast. We have found over the years that bread yeast can easily produce as much alcohol as other yeasts if used correctly."


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: tramalot]
    #26543713 - 03/18/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe, its been a long while since I went looking for jars. I remember I never had a problem buying the tall half pints, or wide mouth pints and quarts. They used to have a few packs of each. But its been, shit, like 4 or 5 years now since I went looking last.

Just thought it was funny, latex gloves, alcohol pads, isopropyl, disinfectant, all readily available there. Mason jars, just about gone lol.




You'll see more Jar's in the fall when people are canning.

The supermarket here usally have 1qts for 10.99 then!




Yea I didn't think bout the season, but come to think of it, January/February is usually when I get the itch to grow mushrooms so I have some fresh ones for spring time weather lol. For a long while I'd start some up every year in February. Guess I'm a little later this year.

I did end up finding 2 packs of quart wide mouths at my grocery store and bought both. Was gonna return the regular mouthed ones but screw it, they were only 10$ loo


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: Thrill]
    #26543722 - 03/18/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe, its been a long while since I went looking for jars. I remember I never had a problem buying the tall half pints, or wide mouth pints and quarts. They used to have a few packs of each. But its been, shit, like 4 or 5 years now since I went looking last.

Just thought it was funny, latex gloves, alcohol pads, isopropyl, disinfectant, all readily available there. Mason jars, just about gone lol.




You'll see more Jar's in the fall when people are canning.

The supermarket here usally have 1qts for 10.99 then!




Yea I didn't think bout the season, but come to think of it, January/February is usually when I get the itch to grow mushrooms so I have some fresh ones for spring time weather lol. For a long while I'd start some up every year in February. Guess I'm a little later this year.

I did end up finding 2 packs of quart wide mouths at my grocery store and bought both. Was gonna return the regular mouthed ones but screw it, they were only 10$ loo



I prefer regular mouth quart jars man they rock especially if you like to use plastic lids the regular mouth plastic lids screw on and off much easier and are less likely to warp.


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26543767 - 03/19/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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What are you using it for? I’ve never used isopropyl for anything mushroom related. Sanitize your sab with soapy water and flame sterilize your scalpel blade.



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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: Nichrome]
    #26543774 - 03/19/20 01:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You don't wipe down jar lids, or petri dishes before opening them? Or like, the rim of an LC jar?

Zero?

I would be down to omit all wiping all this  shit but feel like I would contaminate everything.

Maybe it's worth trying


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #26543790 - 03/19/20 01:21 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I wish I could cut out wiping. I grow on carpet and the house is pretty old and isn't the cleanest. I'll see loose dust random particles or a stray eyelashes or dog hair on my plates when looking at them after they have set out a day or two. That's definitely something that needs to be wiped. I wish I could get away without it though it's extra work and not fun work.
Iso really isn't necessary though I think plain water will work just as good. Might not evaporate as fast but a little moisture on the outside of plates doesn't bother me.


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: gizmo1]
    #26543820 - 03/19/20 02:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Try hydroponics stores and lab supply stores


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26543918 - 03/19/20 04:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Brewers yeast is way better than bread yeast for moonshiners. Lots of craft distilleries get free yeast from craft breweries
Any beer yeast will better attenuate your wash


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26543959 - 03/19/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Right on highest I've had bread yeast go when making hooch is 10% I've had champagne yeast run out to over 18%. Old canners make really good stove top stills. Some copper pipe, an old stock pot, some solder and a torch and you are in business


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: sh4d0ws] * 1
    #26544097 - 03/19/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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You don't wipe down jar lids, or petri dishes before opening them? Or like, the rim of an LC jar?

Zero?

I would be down to omit all wiping all this  shit but feel like I would contaminate everything.

Maybe it's worth trying




Good sterile procedure is important to beat into your skull with mycology, its should be the foundation of your SOP and you should always practice it......but youd be surprised at what you could get away with.

I remember getting really lazy with it, to the point I was inoculating grain jars with spore syringes in open air on the counter of a dirty kitchen and doing agar transfers in open air in my carpeted bedroom which hadnt been vaccuumed or dusted in ages. No using alcohol, no gloves, not even washing hands or having clean clothes on, having the heating vent almost right over head blowing warm air down, stirring up all the microbes in the room, all I was using was an alcohol lamp to sterilize my syringe needle/scalpel blade between squirts/cuts.

That whole run the only contams I had was 1 set of spawn jars, which was caused by a bad spore solution I got in trade from a member here who swore up and down it was "super clean", and a small handful of the few dozen plates I did for cloning and starting a wild spore print.


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26544383 - 03/19/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Brewers yeast is way better than bread yeast for moonshiners. Lots of craft distilleries get free yeast from craft breweries
Any beer yeast will better attenuate your wash



I still stand by my statement. Also I did recommend a universal brewing yeast first and a bread yeast as the alternative.


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: Drboomer]
    #26544411 - 03/19/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Right on highest I've had bread yeast go when making hooch is 10% I've had champagne yeast run out to over 18%. Old canners make really good stove top stills. Some copper pipe, an old stock pot, some solder and a torch and you are in business



I can get get bread yeast to go over 10 without trying. There are several reasons I can think of that would cause low alc. content that don't pertain to the yeast used. One of which could be not enough fermentable sugars. If you are hydrating the yeast first and you pitch with a good yeast nutrient you should be good to go or even better making a starter and pitching that but remember you need to ferment at the right temp for the right yeast another reason I like bread yeast it's not as particular. Also you don't want to go too high with yeast or flavor will be adversely affected. Save it for distilling. Of course none of that matters if we are only making a sanitizer.
Then again what do I know I'm just a hobbyist.

How are conditions looking where you guys are?
We just got the thing about no more than 50 people at time and stores are wiped out. No cops at stores yet and no mobilizimg of national guard just yet. Or whatever the other guy called it. Still no shit tickets or iso. Hoping to get some more coir in today(Thanks woofwoof) and I might order a few more packs of it since I don't know how much I'll need and I can't find it local.


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: gizmo1]
    #26544989 - 03/19/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Tried to go to the liquor store today. No everclear left.


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: MH5109]
    #26545004 - 03/19/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I’d agree that the everclear dilution is your best case scenario in a pinch!! Otherwise I would check safety supply centers that have industrial cleaners, at least for me they have provided a jug of 70% and enough wipes to last me for a good while😎


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: OJ777]
    #26545028 - 03/19/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What about back in paint thinner sections

Fuel- denatured alcohol (burns clean)

That's what's on the label on can


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26545030 - 03/19/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

you can use denatured. 50/50 with distilled h20
i use it in my alcohol lamp of course but you can use it for cleaning


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: shevanel]
    #26545035 - 03/19/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

eats, I sent you a PM


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Re: Isopropyl nowhere to be found [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #26545047 - 03/19/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Those are great alternatives too, just in case he didn’t have access to other industrial supplies i thought it would suffice when nothing else is available. Quick question, does something like Lacquer Thinner or Acetone sanitize similarly to Rubbing Alcohol? Or are they too different?


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