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Hobbit GDF
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Just crap shoot ms genetics is what I think. Happened to me my first mono
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mattsh
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: Hobbit GDF]
#26533294 - 03/13/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright I understand, probably bad mushrooms or bad growing process. Thank you very much for all your answers all !
So now what do I do with the other syringe I have ? should I even bother trying to grow something with it assuming it's the same kind I already tried ? I feel like throwing it away at this point. I just ordered another one from another vendor but it's going to take a while to receive it and redo the whole process of colonization and growth.
One thing is for sure is that instead of doing a couple of cakes I'll do a dozen of them. Maybe more.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: mattsh]
#26533381 - 03/13/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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With multispore syringes the genetics could be weak but you could also find good genetics.. just really random.. There's never any consistency until genetics are narrowed down through isolation.. agar is pretty good for this.. In my experience it's more uncommon to find weak genetics but it still happens..
The syringe is probably still good.. I'd keep it and try again at some point if I were you
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: mattsh]
#26533387 - 03/13/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
mattsh said: Alright I understand, probably bad mushrooms or bad growing process. Thank you very much for all your answers all !
So now what do I do with the other syringe I have ? should I even bother trying to grow something with it assuming it's the same kind I already tried ? I feel like throwing it away at this point. I just ordered another one from another vendor but it's going to take a while to receive it and redo the whole process of colonization and growth.
One thing is for sure is that instead of doing a couple of cakes I'll do a dozen of them. Maybe more.
MS is MS you won't gain better results from another syringe. You can roll the dice again with what you had...or dive into agar. Recommend the latter but the former just comes down to if you're lucky.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: mattsh]
#26533907 - 03/14/20 04:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I feel for you, mattsh! I’ve been there a few times.
But as many have said, MS is random. I think twice I have had really crap spores from a syringe. I put it down to experience and don’t buy from that vendor again! I don’t always use vendors from the shroomery list (shock horror) because quite a few don’t ship to the uk; one of these vendors is from Holland FFS, so why they wouldn’t ship a few miles to the uk I don’t know!
No pal, stick with it and try again. You’d only get another weak grow if the spore syringes are old, and hence the spores are weak and will grow slowly......
So consider ramping up your mushroom production. An easy way to get higher yields from BRF cakes without investing heavily in loads of equipment (pressure cooker, monotub, 5 gallon bucket for coir etc.) try spawning your cakes........ Get yourself some of those aluminium trays used for takeaways, you can get a job lot of Amazon for a reasonable price. When your cakes are ready for fruiting, you actually break them up into small pieces and mix in with a substrate; you’ll have to research in the cultivation section for ideas (sorry). I think I spawned into coir and vermiculite. You then put these trays into your SGFC. You will more than double your potential yield.
Also dude, get yourself some spore prints from some healthy vigorous looking mushrooms; when the veil breaks snip off the cap. You’ll need a prepared rectangle of sterile tin foil, pre-folded. Put the cap face down on the foil and cover with a damp glass for 24 hours. Lift the cap and hey presto, spore print. Fold the foil over and fold over the edges. Will stay viable for ages in the fridge, so you can learn to do agar work, to isolate better genetics. [I took some prints yesterday from Mazatapec which are supposed to be difficult to get dense prints from - the caps had fully opened, so the spores have dropped really heavily 👍🏻).
And while that’s all going on, take a look at BOD’s Easy AF Monotub Tek in “Getting Started”. Take a look at my first results from BOD’s Tek here.
Good luck pal, do not despair, the mushrooms will reward you for your efforts and the love you put in 👍🏻
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: DJ Ed]
#26653908 - 05/06/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hello everyone,
Here's a little update concerning my tripping endeavor. Well since my last message, I have been tripping or trying to, roughly every week, every 3 to 7 days, with moderate success. I would say half of the time I have had no real effect and the other half results were good, with doses ranging from 3g to 6g, always in the same conditions, tea, empty stomach, same preparation.
So, I'm not sure, my last try was today, at 8, it's 11 now, I wanted to try it at night for the first time and took 6g, not much happened beside slight usual physiological effects, numbness and tiredness, but that's it, nothing else.
The best trip I had was 2 weeks ago with a little more than 5g, but it wasn't even close to the strength you'd expect reading other people's reports.
Anyway I don't know.
-------------------- Matt
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: mattsh]
#26653941 - 05/06/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hm, every 3 days is a quick turn around for dosing. Even with tolerance, and "average" potency fruit, you would feel more than tired though. Maybe worth it to grab a new set of spores, that's frustrating..
try some acid
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: chuckarama]
#26654029 - 05/06/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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take a 2-3 month break and try taking 4 grams dried. I’d have almost every reason to believe that recipe would work, maybe too well if you not really tripping now.
You’d know if you were. Be careful mate.
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Edited by The Blind Ass (05/09/20 02:43 PM)
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26659884 - 05/09/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think it's because of the mushrooms themselves that are not very potent. I can understand that low potency requires bigger doses, what I have a hard time understanding is the differences of effects from one try to another, for this last particular try I have waited for 6 days, and I've had successes with taking two similar doses with 4 days apart. It seems that waiting 5 to 7 days between trips is the amount of time recommended.
Overall from the different flushes I've had from my growth I can't draw any conclusion based on the grow and their effects, and the mushrooms themselves look fine and healthy, it's the results that do not really match what could be expected, or at least have some kind of consistency.
Talking about spores, I have a lot of them now and have several jars colonizing, but I'd like to understand, if those spores are coming from low potency mushrooms, how likely is it they will lead to an average potency of the same species or strain ?
-------------------- Matt
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: mattsh]
#26660205 - 05/09/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That’s the ultra minimum recommendation. If you didn’t trip at all, or only subtlety I’d still recommend at least waiting 1-2 weeks between dosing again. Once you do get the effect and you are undeniably tripping I’d wait 1 month minimum before taking again (or you can try back to back and then wait that long) and that’s the minimum in my book. I prefer much more space between trips than most though. However. Everyone has to find what works best for them.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26669437 - 05/13/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yesterday night I tried again with a little less than 5.5g and results were similar to my previous successful trips. It kind of hit me like a hammer because I did not really expect it to succeed due to the previous experience.
Now I can understand that taking mushrooms too often can reduce effects, but I really need to understand the reasons of the discrepancies of the effects, the mushrooms all came from my growth and were harvested and dried, around the same time and following the same method. I can assume that to me, something around 5g to 6g is ok for the mushrooms I'm using right now, but I have no idea what to expect for my future growth when all my colonizing jars will come to fruiting.
-------------------- Matt
Edited by mattsh (05/13/20 08:49 PM)
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Psion
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: mattsh]
#26671328 - 05/14/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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thats the fun of multispore grows - every mushroom is random. it doesn't matter if it's even the same jar as before - every. mushroom. is. random. those spores basically grow networks and wherever they cross with other spores networks they "breed" and that's where mushroom fruiting bodies form (this is probably somewhat inaccurate but the general idea) and those knots where the fruiting bodies are each have their own genetics.
if you want something fairly reliable and consistent you gotta either harvest em all at once, dry em all, then blend em into powder, and mix well, then figure out that big batch of powders potency, at which point it's consistent (for that batch), or you gotta take a tiny piece of a mushroom you like the looks of, pray its got good genetics, perform sterile cloning procedures and clone it, let it grow out a bit, take a slice of the network that grows out, let that grow out, repeat and repeat until you get a nice separation that indicates you got a single genetics, then grow that out and see if you got good genetics or a bunk grow. rinse and repeat until you get a shroom culture you like. this is basically getting into "fun guy" territory though.
or again, pick a shroom variety like penis envy that's fairly consistently strong (and uh... go a bit lighter on it. cause those suckers pack a punch. like 1.5-2x as strong as normal cubes usually.) and even then you're still going to get genetic lottery... but less likely to get a dud. just more likely to get a supershroom.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: Psion] 1
#26671387 - 05/14/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah. 5-7g masa’s from a MS grow was trippy and cool, sometimes dark and scary, other times light and insightful and euphoric with great illusions and fantastical hallucinations.
5- 7 of cloned APE was like journeying through the Uber soul’s cosmic mystical labyrinth to find an opening to a secret inter-trans-dimensional portal to the control room for reality wherein the workers were on break and I was free to look & play around to my heart’s content.
Sometimes non-dual ecstatic Union with the All, and sometimes things truly ineffable where even metaphor and analogy fail to convey the slightest sense of it.
The Mind of Cosmos is the ultimate hyperspace Dreamtime, Psychedelics are like living sacramental tools to some.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#26671443 - 05/14/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol, uncut penis envys were the first time i ever really saw true visuals, although it was more visions than anything else - like daydreaming but so clear it was almost like i was seeing it as clear as day. i did get some actual open eye visuals though, more than i ever did before. definitely more visual than other shroom varieties, and more fun.
and to think i just picked the variety cause i felt it was my gay pride duty. :P
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: Psion]
#26673684 - 05/15/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The dose should have been sufficient for some effects. Must be the genetics. It's a bummer but not a show stopper. Keep at it.
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