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saintdextro
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God speaking your language
#26526293 - 03/09/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why do people see a different attitude in the God of the Old Testement as compared to God of the New Testement? Why is there a different attitude between the One supreme God in one religion as compared to another? I was thinking that it's because God speaks at your individual level, your own language you might say, for example if you believe in Karma, God will level out his responses to you at that level, if you believe that all is equal in love and war, than the Jews can convert you, circumcise you, and while your recovering from that circumcision, than use that as a clever trick and completely stab you, your family, and fellow "converted" country men to death, if you had that mentality, it would be justful, (supposedly a "rightious" and "just" and "fair" God did this in the book of Genesis.. or should I use this smile .),,,i've been trying to come to terms with this scene, I can trust this God of Isreal in forgiving me, right?
-------------------- "He who finds peace and joy And radiance within himself That man becomes one with God And vanishes into God's bliss." -Bhagavad Gita, 5.24 One 21 - Building Better Bombs One 21 - Pacified One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine "Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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Re: God speaking your language [Re: saintdextro]
#26526414 - 03/09/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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saintdextro said: Why do people see a different attitude in the God of the Old Testement as compared to God of the New Testement? Why is there a different attitude between the One supreme God in one religion as compared to another? I was thinking that it's because God speaks at your individual level, your own language you might say, for example if you believe in Karma, God will level out his responses to you at that level, if you believe that all is equal in love and war, than the Jews can convert you, circumcise you, and while your recovering from that circumcision, than use that as a clever trick and completely stab you, your family, and fellow "converted" country men to death, if you had that mentality, it would be justful, (supposedly a "rightious" and "just" and "fair" God did this in the book of Genesis.. or should I use this smile .),,,i've been trying to come to terms with this scene, I can trust this God of Isreal in forgiving me, right?
strong antisemitic post
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saintdextro
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Re: God speaking your language [Re: dk-1]
#26526430 - 03/09/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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is it because I described a scene from the Bible? not antismetic or anti anything, your negative perception caused you to perceive it that way, it's not my fault you have a dirty mind(a joke )
we all agree it was a good thing to cirumcise than use that as a trick to weaken and kill people, right?
-------------------- "He who finds peace and joy And radiance within himself That man becomes one with God And vanishes into God's bliss." -Bhagavad Gita, 5.24 One 21 - Building Better Bombs One 21 - Pacified One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine "Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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Shr00mEater
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Re: God speaking your language [Re: saintdextro]
#26526667 - 03/10/20 06:11 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Using tricks to win wars sounds good to me. Would you rather the supreme being lost wars?
Think of this. The dudes agreed to be circumcised...
... they were probably relieved when the Israelites killed them.
What does “all is equal in love and war” mean? Why would I have to believe that in order to believe God directed the Israelites to do this act?
What if: God knew these guys would be a problem for his nation( Israel)? Could it be possible God actually prevented many more deaths by wiping out that tribe?
Edit: yes, it is good to trick and kill enemies, especially if they outnumber you.
I don’t remember the details of the story.
Edit 2: it was retaliation for a rape. Jacob was a bad motherfucker.
Edit 3: ok, read the whole story. I don’t believe you can use it to indict god. He didn’t command them to do it. Even Jacob wasn’t thrilled with what his kids had done.
Genesis 34
Edited by Shr00mEater (03/10/20 06:21 AM)
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Asante
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Re: God speaking your language [Re: Shr00mEater] 3
#26526677 - 03/10/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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GOD TO ONE PEOPLE: "You must kneel and bow down on the floor five times a day for me, you may not look at women and music is forbidden!"
GOD TO ANOTHER PEOPLE: "You can basically smoke herb and make reggae."
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Asante
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Re: God speaking your language [Re: Asante] 3
#26526682 - 03/10/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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God speaks to me, highly individually, in ways only appropriate for me in my way and cultural background. God communicates in a way that fits me like a glove.
He does this for all the millions he speaks to. He yangs your yins and yins your yangs
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saintdextro
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Re: God speaking your language [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26527370 - 03/10/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shr00mEater said: Using tricks to win wars sounds good to me. Would you rather the supreme being lost wars?
Think of this. The dudes agreed to be circumcised...
... they were probably relieved when the Israelites killed them.
What does “all is equal in love and war” mean? Why would I have to believe that in order to believe God directed the Israelites to do this act?
What if: God knew these guys would be a problem for his nation( Israel)? Could it be possible God actually prevented many more deaths by wiping out that tribe?
Edit: yes, it is good to trick and kill enemies, especially if they outnumber you.
I don’t remember the details of the story.
Edit 2: it was retaliation for a rape. Jacob was a bad motherfucker.
Edit 3: ok, read the whole story. I don’t believe you can use it to indict god. He didn’t command them to do it. Even Jacob wasn’t thrilled with what his kids had done.
Genesis 34
Sorry that was meant to be "all is *fair* in love and war..."
I Believe everything God does is good, but as you point out, it was'nt God's decision to do it, but still, generally it would be viewed as untrust worthy.
-------------------- "He who finds peace and joy And radiance within himself That man becomes one with God And vanishes into God's bliss." -Bhagavad Gita, 5.24 One 21 - Building Better Bombs One 21 - Pacified One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine "Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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Re: God speaking your language [Re: saintdextro]
#26530834 - 03/12/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Because the God-concept differs markedly between YHWH in the Tench (OT) and The Father in the New Testament. Harold Bloom did a good job of clarifying this unmistakable difference in this book Jesus and Yahweh. The appropriation of the Hebrew God-concept (which incidentally developed over centuries from a localized tribal deity to the Creator of the universe) by Christianity pretty much filtered the wrathful aspect of deity out and then transferred that wrath to the resurrected Christ who judges the living and the dead in the Book of Revelations. Meanwhile God is presented as a benevolent Father (or, in the Aramaic version of the LORD'S Prayer, not Abba [Father] but Abwoon, "Cosmic Mother-Father" or "Cosmic Birther").
We do not perceive differences in the ONE God, Ultimate Reality, since this is beyond perception and comprehension. We perceive differences in God-concepts which usually are expressed in terms of attributes. The Tenach applies human-like emotions to YHWH just as the Greeks did for Zeus (Zeus: God in Greek, Deus: God in Latin). Every sura in the Qur'an, for example, begins with Allah the Merciful, the Compassionate. But sharia law in Islam expresses terrible wrath with eyes, ears, hands, and heads removed for punishment. NOT merciful, compassionate at all. Hell in Islam, as in Judaism (Gehenna/Sheol) is not eternal which it is in Christianity. But popular religion imagines eternity to mean endless time of some sort. The myths do not partake of well thought out ontology (e.g., differentiation of souls or form of any sort cannot be in eternity since extension in space and duration in time contradict the definition of eternal which is indivisible unity).
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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