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Re: What the hell is going on in the US with opioids? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #26531238 - 03/12/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Mexico is currently experiencing skyrocketing opioid abuse rates, so it's not only the US.


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Re: What the hell is going on in the US with opioids? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26531244 - 03/12/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes because there’s a shit ton of poor people in Mexico. Societal issues first..


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Re: What the hell is going on in the US with opioids? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #26531248 - 03/12/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Being poor is a big factor in choosing to abuse drugs? I believe the motivations usually go much deeper.


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Re: What the hell is going on in the US with opioids? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26531262 - 03/12/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

well yeah drugs like meth crack and heroin are used by the poor and ‘party drugs’ and prescription drugs by the rich, generally. But yes you’re right, if you are talking about opiates as a whole then every walk of life does use them.

My whole point was just pointing out the societal reasons people use drugs. I’m sure you remember the research where rats were given a choice between cocaine and water and chose cocaine until they died? Well there was another study done where the rats had a third choice, a giant ‘rat park’ with wheels and tubes and slides or whatever. They all chose that over the cocaine. People need shit to do


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Re: What the hell is going on in the US with opioids? [Re: psi]
    #26531270 - 03/12/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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My understanding is that the number of opioid addicts initially came to be so big because of doctors overprescribing, and then when that started to be cracked down on more the illegal market filled the void with fentanyl derivatives that ultimately came from China. And also the Chinese government probably wants revenge on the West for the Opium Wars. "The Pharmacist" on Netflix is a pretty good documentary on the "pill mill" phenomenon and how flagrant some doctors' prescribing was. At least the later parts of the show.





That pharmacist was such a bitch ass snitch.

Sorry.

He’s the one that crusaded to shut down the pill Mills.  Then after they shut down. that’s when everyone started dying from fent    Especially in his town.


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Re: What the hell is going on in the US with opioids? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #26531347 - 03/12/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I find that death is death - no matter the speed it comes.

And how many people die the first time they take an opioid? Abuse takes time.




Im mean yeah, but its so unpredictable with cigs. Its like saying why do we drive cars when theirs so many accidental deaths from driving? Its because everyone doesnt die from driving around. It just depends on so many factors that can cause a car crash death. Its unpredictable.

Some people smoke their whole lives and never get cancer or serious lung problems. Like Asante, he quit after 20 years, still alive today. If a person abused opiates for 20 years, they might have OD'd before getting help. Theres more survivability to cigs than with opiates because its a slooooooow poisoning. ODs are just more destructive/non-recoverable and happen just from one session of taking too much. If u smoke too much cigs in one session, it wont kill you instantly.

That being said, cigs are terrible and i hate them just as much as all the opiates which cause premature deaths.

Cigs have an unclear cause-effect of death while ODing on opiates has a clear cause-effect, which is why its a bigger issue in my opinion.


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Re: What the hell is going on in the US with opioids? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26531367 - 03/12/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I know one thing

If I get a bad case of corona I want to die doped up af


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

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Re: What the hell is going on in the US with opioids? [Re: psi]
    #26531370 - 03/12/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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psi said:"The Pharmacist" on Netflix is a pretty good documentary on the "pill mill" phenomenon




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Re: What the hell is going on in the US with opioids? [Re: psi] * 1
    #26531562 - 03/12/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Heph333 said:
The food supply in the US is utter rubbish. The Standard American Diet is a perfect storm recipe for chronic inflammation. The 10 most prevalent diseases all have inflammation at their root. Consequently, as people age, chronic pain sets in. Our medical system has their heads buried in the sand & only do one thing for it all: drugs. They treat symptoms rather than causes. And often the "cure" is more destructive (long term) than the disease. But we're all about instant gratification, so it works for a while.



Don't forget our jobs and lifestyles.

And now they're cutting off alot of people who actually need pain medication.


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Many people overdosing on prescription meds don't have a prescription. Many that did have prescriptions sought them out back when pill mills and candyman docs were rampant. Pills were easier to get than dope and could even be ordered from china by the case, theyre also societally a little less stigmatized, and sometimes even fully covered by insurance.

From the data IMO it really is the drug seeking behavior and the society/culture that created it, far more than the dealers or pharma companies




OK but why did prescription overdose deaths rise so much from 2000 to 2010? A change drug seeking behavior or the society/culture independent of any increase in the supply or marketing of these drugs?




Cultural disillusionment, lots of military folk getting hurt and getting ptsd, lots of really messed up things in the 2000's.
The war really gave this whole country a depression of sorts.


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Re: What the hell is going on in the US with opioids? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26531563 - 03/12/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Oh and media got shittier.


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Re: What the hell is going on in the US with opioids? [Re: Northerner]
    #26531573 - 03/12/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Then I saw the 2019 stats for US drug overdose deaths. It's literally more than half a million people dead in a single year!




When I read a post like this I begin to wonder what in the hell is going on with the rest of the world and their math skills.

Literally more than half a million people dead in a single year? :laugh2:


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Re: What the hell is going on in the US with opioids? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26531690 - 03/12/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It's messed up, right?  I attribute it to the failed war on drugs, a healthcare system that in many states does not provide a safer, non-lethal alternative to opioids for pain management -e.g., cannabis -- and big pharma wanting to maintain the status quo.  Many people who become addicted started out with prescriptions... Something like 40% of addicts, if I remember correctly.  I wish we took an approach like Portugal's, but many people in this country still see drug abuse as a criminal issue, rather than being the medical issue that it is.


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