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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
    #26529465 - 03/11/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Business as usual painted in alarm


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26529470 - 03/11/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I know that you're old enough to realize that none of this is business as usual.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26529472 - 03/11/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If you asked any doctor how they'd operate triage they'd tell you exactly what that article says. Maybe not so blatantly but that article has an agenda


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
    #26529474 - 03/11/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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The news from Italy is extremely dire. Physicians are being directed to simply not attempt to help people at advanced age or with other conditions. war time triage.


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Now the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (SIAARTI) has published guidelines for the criteria that doctors and nurses should follow in these extraordinary circumstances. The document begins by likening the moral choices facing Italian doctors to the forms of wartime triage that are required in the field of “catastrophe medicine.” Instead of providing intensive care to all patients who need it, its authors suggest, it is becoming necessary to follow “the most widely shared criteria regarding distributive justice and the appropriate allocation of limited health resources.”

Those who are too old to have a high likelihood of recovery, or who have too low a number of “life-years” left even if they should survive, will be left to die. This sounds cruel, but the alternative, the document argues, is no better. “In case of a total saturation of resources, maintaining the criterion of ‘first come, first served’ would amount to a decision to exclude late-arriving patients from access to intensive care.”

Those who are too old to have a high likelihood of recovery, or who have too low a number of “life-years” left even if they should survive, will be left to die. This sounds cruel, but the alternative, the document argues, is no better. “In case of a total saturation of resources, maintaining the criterion of ‘first come, first served’ would amount to a decision to exclude late-arriving patients from access to intensive care.”




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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #26529476 - 03/11/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yes the agenda is to get people in this country to be proactive instead of reactive.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
    #26529483 - 03/11/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If no smart people are trump voters.
And all doctors are smart
Then all the people who need to be proactive are doing what they can
Or are there secret trump voters you need help from that are being reactive idiots?

Anyone who's in a position to actually make a difference will panic when this meets their personal threshold of bullshit/truth


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #26529487 - 03/11/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

As I mentioned before it's not the virus that worries me

If I get it, I get it. Now yes of course I will do my best to do my part and to be responsible, not just for myself and for my health, but for others around me.

What worries me though is what this will look like when full blown mass hysteria hits. When basic goods are impossible to get. When basic services breakdown. That's what worries me. As of the second we aren't even close to that but we do seem to be inching our way there.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #26529491 - 03/11/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Niffla, and other travellers, I got really cheap tickets to Hawaii the other day. Let's talk some friends into going and throw a little Hawaiian party on the beach!


Shroomery, how is the virus personally affecting you or your city/area?




So you ended up getting some tickets? Sweeeeet. Damn that's enticing for sure. One thing is for sure we will never see better deals on travel in our lifetimes than this.

I'm in the Dallas-Fort Worth area and we just got our first handful of confirmed cases in the last few days.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Niffla]
    #26529496 - 03/11/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

University of Colorado Boulder to cancel in-person classes for rest of semester.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #26529505 - 03/11/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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University of Colorado Boulder to cancel in-person classes for rest of semester.




I heard Indiana University and Purdue did also.

The NCAA just announced that the biggest basketball tournament on earth, March Madness, will be played without fans in the arenas.

That's literally a billion dollar revenue tournament too.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Niffla] * 2
    #26529516 - 03/11/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Most universities have announced or will be announcing on campus classes cancelled for the rest of the semester. Everyone is shifting to online only. Students are being required to vacate dorms and/or asked to not return from spring break.

Whether you like it or not, the lockdown of the United States has begun. This is an unprecedented moment in the history of the world :popcorn:


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: bodhisatta] * 3
    #26529521 - 03/11/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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If no smart people are trump voters.
And all doctors are smart
Then all the people who need to be proactive are doing what they can
Or are there secret trump voters you need help from that are being reactive idiots?

Anyone who's in a position to actually make a difference will panic when this meets their personal threshold of bullshit/truth




Proactive means banning all public events. Banning church services. No weddings. No funerals. All schools closed. Proactive means emergency federally mandated sick leave for 14 days. All businesses that can telework should do so. Either we do it now and avoid what is happening in Italy, or we do it later because we have no choice.

We have the advantage of witnessing what has happened in Italy and China and South Korea. It’s not a question of whether we are about to face an unprecedented epidemic not seen in our lifetimes. It’s going to happen. The question is whether we let it happen unchecked or mitigate.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: deucedbi9] * 1
    #26529534 - 03/11/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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You'd think that they would be able to do that for a first world county before it comes to "deciding who lives and who dies."




When it comes down to "deciding who lives and who dies." If your in the US, it will be the wealthy that get 'first dibs' on the available ventilaters. No? or will they treat a low paid worker, without "benefits" :nonono: while mister moneybags down the corridor in his private suite goes without?

Edit. Is this the point at which you take up your guns and rebel against injustice?




I kinda wish we would.


My concern, from the very start, was our healthcare system not properly treating people. It's bad in general, add something new and seemingly mild to that and...



Many of our hospitals already run doctors and nurses ragged and operate well past capacity. This is compounded by the fact that so many doctors offices don't take medicare or the uninsured, they go to the hospital.

Where they will be further picking up and spreading this thing.


Partly also why the hysteria concerns me. The absolute last thing we want is people rushing the ER because they sneezed.


Normally I'd not be so concerned about that because Americans usually have the opposite problem... most of us don't go to the doctor unless we're actually dying and sometimes not even then. My initial concern was the opposite, that the gravely ill would neglect to go to the hospital until they're on death's door. They might, still... and it wouldn't surprise me if they're turned away or discharged prematurely by incompetent/overworked staff.



Seriously if this thing does overwhelm our healthcare system I hope it will be a wake up call. We are indeed fortunate that this is not the spanish flu.
And... before someone tries to tell me it is, it's not. Spanish flu not only killed mostly young people, it also killed people within a few days of the onset of symptoms, millions were dead in just 1 month.




If we're going to take coronavirus seriously we need to take our infectious disease preparedness in general seriously. And fucking fix it.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 3
    #26529600 - 03/11/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Omg this headline



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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods] * 3
    #26529609 - 03/11/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

:confused2:  well, check out this one



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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Primal Glitch] * 1
    #26529687 - 03/11/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Trump just announced a travel ban from all of Europe except the UK. 😬


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    #26529688 - 03/11/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: pixelpopper] * 1
    #26529696 - 03/11/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I hear crickets from everyone 4 or 5 pages ago using info from the WHO to try and force it to make their point.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26529704 - 03/11/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Trump just announced a travel ban from all of Europe except the UK. 😬






All travel from Europe to USA is suspended for 30 days starting this Friday at midnight, he said.
He said to stay home if you feel sick.
Small businesses can get "low interest" loans from government to make up for financial losses.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #26529710 - 03/11/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

He doesn’t seem to understand that we are already just as bad as Europe. Travel bans at this point are fairly meaningless.


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