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OfflineShroomhunts
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Re: LSA study. [Re: ft116]
    #26368535 - 12/08/19 08:32 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

There is a crystal tek somewhere but usually you just drink the water. It is supposed to help with nausea you have to use cold water because lysergimides are delicate and heat will destroy them


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Re: LSA study. [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26368657 - 12/08/19 09:34 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Right.
Some more good information.
Thank you.
I might try a iso extract
As soon as I can get hold
Of some.
Will report back.


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Re: LSA study. [Re: ft116]
    #26528503 - 03/11/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

What would be a good microdose for HBW seeds? I also have a big bag of Heavenly Blue MG seeds. Also, I'm sure my microdose would change by the fact that I did a full trip two days ago, so my tolerance would still be quite high for another week or so. But assuming I try microdosing, say tomorrow, 3 days after an actual trip, what would be a good HBW dose?

I'm thinking two seeds would be good to compensate for the temporary tolerance?

Oh, and I wouldn't bother extracting for this. For my trip the other day, I simple rolled 6 HBW seeds in my fingers to get the coating off, then washed them off. After drying I ground the 6 seeds up and ate the powder, washing it down with water. I did also perform a cold water extraction on about 10 grams of the MG seeds, and sipped on about 50% of it over the next two hours. So my total LSA was from 6 full HBW eaten and about 160 MG extracted into water.


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Re: LSA study. [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26528514 - 03/11/20 05:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I have learnt a lot about
Mg seeds now.
I extract them with alcohol.
And 10gram of seeds gives
You 0.3gram of extract
Which is all you need.
I use iso to extract them.
Hbwr seeds are different.
Not as enjoyable.
But very insightful.🍸


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Re: LSA study. [Re: ft116] * 1
    #26528515 - 03/11/20 05:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ergot is starting to interest
Me now.
And the other chemicals in
Morning glory seeds.


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Re: LSA study. [Re: ft116] * 1
    #26528519 - 03/11/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah HBWR doesnt have the same effect like MG seeds. I prefer MG as well. How long do u soak your seeds in Iso for? I recently did an ethanol-Rum extract and it was much stronger than expected. Soak time was 4 days, stirring occassionally everyday.


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Re: LSA study. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26528536 - 03/11/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

A lot of people talk about differences between the effects of HBW vs MG, and while I'm sure you're right, I haven't found much difference at all. Probably because I'm not a connoisseur of either one. They feel pretty much exactly the same to me. So much so, I use them interchangeably, and have started mixing them on trips. Like the other day, I munched down 6 ground up HBW and an hour later started sipping on some cold-water extracted MG seeds. Like I said, blindfold me while I take the extract or powder and when it started kicking in, I wouldn't have the slightest idea which LSA source you gave me.

I will say that eating actual MG seeds is a non starter. Waaaay too much ground powder to chow down on.

Oh and as far as extractions, I don't even bother with the complex ones. I see no benefit other than trying to avoid nausea. Which, even when I take the HBW seeds ground up, I don't get nausea anymore. At least not with 6 seeds. I'm 100% sure its because I ALWAYS, always, always trip in a fasting state of a minimum of 12 hours after my last meal. I'm sure I can tolerate more than 6 seeds. The only reason I do water extraction these days is for MG so as not to eat so much seed bulk. Occasionally, when I want a higher dose of HBW I do water extractions.

Sorry about the length of the post, but while its fun for me to geek out and do a non-polar/polar extraction (last one I did with Naptha and then 99% alcohol) I just don't see the point. These seeds are dirt cheap, especially when bought in bulk. And the only reason I would do a NP/P extraction at this point would be to conserve seeds if, say they were scarce. Because obviously you get more LSA per seed when you do a NP/P extract, versus just cold water. But I just factor this in and use a lot more seeds with water than I would with NP/P. I bought a huge 1 Pound bag of Heavenly Blue off Amazon about a month ago, and have 1/2 ounce of HBW seeds. If my stomach got upset from eating seeds in a fasting state, or if cold water extraction didn't get rid of nauesa, then I would just do a polar extraction with 99% IPA because its faster.

LMAO the Non-Polar/Polar extraction took about a week! That's why I like the cold water extraction. Takes less than three hours and I'm ready to go, and no nausea at all, as I said.


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Re: LSA study. [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26528543 - 03/11/20 06:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well I think you are wrong
On some aspects.
Firstly extracting the seeds
Gives you a much smaller
Amount to work on and it
Is very rewarding. You
Only need a small amount of
Extract and it’s simple to take.
And I believe that there is
Definetly a difference in effects.

I usually let my morning glory
Seeds sit in iso overnight.

I am growing some at the moment
Too.


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Re: LSA study. [Re: ft116]
    #26528558 - 03/11/20 06:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ft116 said:
Well I think you are wrong
On some aspects.





I don't necessarily think this is a right or wrong discussion. In the first place, as I said, if nausea was an issue with me anymore, I would absolutely want to do an extraction. Moreover, if I couldn't get rid of nausea by doing a simple water extraction, then I would definitely do a NP/Polar extraction with Naptha and 99% alcohol. Or maybe, as you suggested, just the alcohol. But I did an extraction with Naptha and then 99% IPA, and not only did it take a week or more, but I saw absolutely no benefit to the final product when compared to eating straight seeds or even doing a cold water extraction. Bear in mind, when I do a cold water extraction, I factor in the fact that I lose a lot of the LSA by this easy method, so I always use about 40% more seeds than I would with, Naptha and 99% IPA.

Also, there is one more point to consider, and I think there is some valid chemistry to back me up. But this is somewhat hypothesis and supposition. Many people believe that by removing the toxins, which are precursors to cyanide, you lose some of the potency of LSA. What some sources I have read on the web are saying, if I understand them correctly, is that the toxins themselves somehow contribute something to the experience, and not just nausea. I think that if these folks are right, and they may not be, that all the chemicals contained in the seeds have synergistic effects with the LSA somehow. If this is true, then since the cold water doesn't get rid of all the toxins, it makes me wonder if it yields a better trip when you use more seeds than for a NP/P extraction. Think about it. If you extract with cold water, and this accidentally brings more of the other compounds along for the ride, it may be better somehow? Again, this is all assuming that a person isn't getting nausea from it.


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Re: LSA study. [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26528577 - 03/11/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ok man.
Everybody has there own way.


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Re: LSA study. [Re: ft116]
    #26528637 - 03/11/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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ft116 said:
Ok man.
Everybody has there own way.




I totally agree. I was just explaining my way not trying to say anybody else to do it that way.


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Re: LSA study. [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26529311 - 03/11/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So, going back to my original question, what’s a good microdose for Hawaiian baby wood seeds 3 days after a full trip as I described above?


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Re: LSA study. [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26530342 - 03/12/20 06:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I would say 1-3 seeds.


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Re: LSA study. [Re: ft116]
    #26530669 - 03/12/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

ft116 said:
I would say 1-3 seeds.




Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking. I tripped medium hard on Tuesday, so I am going to take 3 HBW seeds now. I just ground them up a few minutes ago.


Edited by LSA Woodrose (03/12/20 10:29 AM)


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Re: LSA study. [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26530697 - 03/12/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Have a good time.
The seeds will show you the
Way. Believe in them.
They are amazing.🤘


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Re: LSA study. [Re: ft116] * 1
    #26530703 - 03/12/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I have just had 0.3gram
Of morning glory extract.


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