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ErnieErgot67
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Hello my fellow PE growers! And happy Memorial Day week end. Fortunately it will be raining in New England. Well at least I picked a good weekend to put my Harley in the shop for repair. Anyway. Here we go again. I just hydrated and PC’d 8 jars of popcorn, 4 of what he I will be using to grow some more PEs! Besides my Lizard Kings these are my favorite to grow even though they take forever and require more patience and attention. During Covid one of my landscaping customers who owns a movie theater in my hometown had to dispose of all their candy because the theater was shut down and the candy had all expired. They also, and I don’t know why, because it doesn’t go bad, threw out tons and tons of popcorn kernels. It had to be hundreds of pounds of popcorn kernels! Unfortunately I learned of this a little late it was only able to recover 12 pounds of it. Such a waste. It was kind of funny because I couldn’t contain my excitement when they told me that they had tossed it. They didn’t understand and of course asked why I was so excited over popcorn kernels! Lol. I told him that I would be feeding the wild deer with it. Haha. Anyway, I just thought I’d share that story. Wish me luck on my new PE grow and of course, thank you again Ted for sharing this valuable information of casing. Speaking of, I can’t remember where now but I read somebody’s post on how they just put a very thick casing layer right from the beginning like over an inch and that’s all they do and they have never grown blobs/mutants. WHATS YOUR OPINION ON THIS TED...or anybody? Have a great week end everyone. Peace, Love, and Mycelium, Ergot Ernie
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Congrats on the popcorn Ernie, what a great find! And good luck with your upcoming PE project. I'll be making my second round of PE tubs pretty soon (just poured my first ever Pasty Ez LC on rye a day or two ago). My first time I had two tubs full of these blobs that stayed low to the ground...

I used 650g coir to 6 quarts spawn with a thin top layer of coir (no casing) then sat back and watched the show as Pasty's EZ monos did the rest. Easy Peasy (although I was insecure and stressed out with questions - the little details aren't always listed in the teks). It's before I learned about this thread. lol... I'm a bit nervous to try this casing tek. Maybe I'll see if it happens in this run and if it does, next time try this tek I'm still pretty green and mastering the basics. I kinda don't want to risk rocking the boat just yet. I was happy how my first attempt ended up... between the two with blobs and the four others I harvested almost three pounds total (thank you Fahster and everyone else that helped me ). Pretty good for a grannie's first go at it
I recently joined LAGM21 (you're supposed to start with spores) since I had a PE plate that started my first run with a pin that dropped spores. Being in the group helps to keep me focused and I'll have a nice log to refer back to when it's done (thank you Inthepit for explaining how to create the log and my signature). I'm impressed at how fast and easy those spores germinated (I worked for MONTHS on getting APE swabs to that point and now finally at the point of having 4 tubs, 2 of which trichD on me, the other 2 are looking promising - I try not to hold my breath over them (that's putting your attention in the wrong direction). I'm not always successful at that but I do daily send them good vibes and lots of love ). I enjoy your posts and am learning from the comments they receive, especially Fahtsters in your New guy thread Happy Shrooming Ernie
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Hi
How long are people generating waiting after the first layer of casing to apply a second layer of casing?
I added a jiffy casing about a week ago..i've got maybe 40% coverage on the top now.
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: hexbinary]
#27329539 - 05/30/21 06:55 PM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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Now sounds like a good time to add it
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ErnieErgot67
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#27378367 - 07/07/21 10:13 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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 Growing some more PEs and I only had to case the substrate once with a little patching and it all tightened up. By the looks of this I’m going to have a mixture of regular fruit and blobs. I don’t know why this happened. Not that it’s a big deal I could really care less it’s fine but I would prefer to have regular fruit. If you enlarge the pics and look closely at the substrate you can see that it is littered with small caps or I guess you would call them pins. But they’re not really pins they’re just little round caps that are forming on top of the substrate. There’s a lot of them and they’re slightly discolored white like the same color as mycelium on the substrate. They’re not really discolored it’s just a white film of mycelium I guess. Any suggestions? Thank you.
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Looks like it could’ve been cased thicker.. can usually tell by how colonized the layer is… looks pretty solidly colonized there Ern.
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#27379192 - 07/08/21 01:16 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Edit: let's ask a question instead
Does a pseudo casing, not sure term (covering grain) at spawn make a difference compared to leaving grain exposed?
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ErnieErgot67
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#27379919 - 07/08/21 10:16 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh it is pretty solid lead colonized but the type of colonization is why I didn’t case it again. And the last time I was told that once the substrate tightens up the way they stand that’s when you leave it alone so that’s what I did. It wasn’t like rizomorphic my psyllium covering the substrate it just tightened up like what you’re looking at so I didn’t bother casing it again. Are all those caps that are level with the substrate going to continue growing into fruit? Nice to see ya here buddy.
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Quote:
rockyfungus said: Is it ok to post PE progress here? Or is general cult, trying to learn the etiquette?
Just swiped Faht's PE to compare to Trinity PE from B21. I'll update when we get some fuzz.
Faht's PE is my own swabs, but the OGs were some meaty dicks.


Looks to me like you did a good job all by yourself! Nice grill however this thread was about how to case your substrate when growing penis envy
Peace love and mycelium Ergot Ernie
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#27541235 - 11/13/21 01:03 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for this thread Ted.
Just finished the 24 pages!
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: Defacto2]
#27541950 - 11/13/21 02:46 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#27545981 - 11/16/21 03:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just a warning to ppl that may be buying peat Moss.. I had a bad experience with miracle grow brand. First bag I bought this year was great.. got 3 great performing tubs out of it.. it looked amazing actually (didn’t even have to sift it.. barely any sticks or chunks in it) and then I went and bought another bag… terribly chunky and had a ton of sticks. It wasn’t until after I pasteurized it that I noticed a smell that was like motor oil or some heavy chemical (they add plant food and fertilizer to their peat Moss)
I chalked it up to a bad bag and went and got another one and same thing.. I read an old post that someone said the myc will just eat through the ferts so I decided to use it.. baaad idea.. while the myc ate through the casing, when it came time for fruiting, the casing layer turned blue and barely grew any fruits and if they did, they were blobs.
Idk if I just got lucky with the first bag or unlucky with a bad batch (too many ferts and plant food) with the second and third, but it fucked up 7 of my tubs
I actually cut off the casings and now am trying to get what I can from the subs but buyer beware. Now I’m using Hoffman’s organic Canadian peat Moss and it’s awesome.. looks, smells and is performing like it should. 
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#27545988 - 11/16/21 03:54 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the heads up! I'm not sure what brand my peat is but I get it in 40lb bales for landscaping so I held on to about 15lbs for cult season. Hopefully it works, the bales are only like $10. I'll check the bag to make sure there isn't anything added.
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I think most bales like that are good to go and MG is the only brand I’ve seen add those things to it and it was probably just some calibration error on the machines that add the ferts to the peat at the factory where those bags got 3x the amount it was suppose to but better off sticking to brands that don’t add things mush doesn’t need.
My sense of smells is really bad (I can barely breathe through my nose constantly) or I probably would’ve noticed it as soon as I opened the bag but peat should smell like fresh soil.. just ask yourself if worms would live in it and that’s the right smell lol
I know it was the peat because it was the only variable I changed and the cultures were all clean and tested and the subs aren’t contaminated but Now I have to deal with this shit and hope I get close to the 2oz per tub to get the return on my efforts

Idc if it’s a blob or fruit.. just as long as it’s something I can dry lol
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#27546443 - 11/16/21 10:53 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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smell of the casing post pasteurization is a very good indicator of if its good. I know this cant be described very well but after a few tries youll be familiar with it and know what to look for
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#27546475 - 11/17/21 12:01 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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My new cult season is finally here! Got some PE trying to do it's thing on agar right now...it feels so good to be back!

(sorry for anyone who's seeing me spam the forum with this lately) these plates are only growing transparent mycelium for some reason. I suspect low nutrient levels so I'm going to pour some new plates and take transfers of the clear stuff and hope for the best. The germination and T1 plates were from 8 months ago and I think I used a different recipe because T1s were lookin really good.
A member sent me these swabs and said this PE culture doesn't require a casing, so I'm putting that to the test!
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yeah, just keep transferring. I dont usually take the "clear" myc.
side note: if they sent u swabs its not a culture but a (hopefully stable) variety. melmac I assume?
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead] 1
#27546521 - 11/17/21 01:04 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good catch - spore swabs were sent to me, not a culture. I was wondering the same thing but they specifically said PE, not melmac so we'll see! PE without a casing would be a game changer.
I don't usually transfer the clear stuff either, but that's literally all my plates are growing for some unknown reason T1s looked really good, white, showing nice rhizo growth, then I put T2s to these new plates and nothing but clear mycelium. Quite strange. I'm going to pour some new plates with more nutrients and transfer some of the clear stuff and hope for the best
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I’ve had super weak lookin wispy PE myc cultures that grew awesome flushes of dense AF fruits.. it was almost like the myc was saving its energy to produce fruits so I’d at least take a transfer of that myc along with other myc to at least check it out.. you never know
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#27546539 - 11/17/21 01:35 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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