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TedsDead



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PE... by TedsDead 21
#26528392 - 03/11/20 01:13 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello, lovely cultivation family! I've been getting some requests lately for a PE thread and apparently my advice has led to success so here it is, a thread dedicated to my take on PE.
I don't mean to write a tomb but, here it is... start to finish fruiting times across multiple strains were an average of 1 month spawn to harvest. I use a standard coir, verm sub recipe @650g coir:2qt verm: 1gal hot tap water.
now, since PE tends to take a little longer than standard/non-mutant cubes you may notice some shrinkage of the sub and this wilil inevitably lead to side-pins so liners are recommended. see link: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26337114.
thanks eatyoualive!
after lining your tub, dump in your coir verm mix and spawn then let it colonize. at this point a pseudo casing is optional. now, I've read a lot of peoples takes on this and I like aspects of lotkid, and frank horrigans approach. however, I don't consolidate. @ 5 days if the top of the substrate looks white I'll case it. usually casing happens between 5-10 days(5-7 for trays and 7-10 for tubs). I do a standard peat,verm,lime,gypsum casing @ 50/50 peat/verm and 10% gypsum by volume. when it comes to adding the lime 1 tsp per cup of peat is a good base guideline to get you started but screw the measurements. test that shit! make sure your ph is at least 8.5 but no greater than 9 or I see trich more often that not. how do we know how packed that 1Cup of peat was in the original recipe? pasteurize as per pasteurization tek...
submerging a bag in boiling water until core temps reach 140 is not a good idea. you will be partially sterilizing the mixture on the outside of the bag, killing the beneficial microbes and this will lead to contamination. If you do use this method make sure to let your casing sit in its container or bag for about a week to let the microbes on the interior re-colonize the partially sterilized casing on the outside. I like to use a bucket heater hooked up to an inkbird w/temp sensor set to 165F in a cooler and place a thermometer in the center of one of the casing bags. when it reaches 140F start your timer for 2 hours. let cool to room temp. now that your casing has been properly pasteurized its time to get crackin'. I put on a generous 0.5" of casing and wait for myc poke thru 20-30% then I pretty much re-case the whole tub/tray again and introduce FAE. now this is the critical part. the casings must be carefully watched, misted, and patched. my PE tubs have slightly more FAE than my standard cubes(check link in sig) now look at the pic:

notice how the myc has thickened in between the casing particles? I case right up to before this becomes noticeable. a few days after this is noticed knotting will occur . you will want to mist at this point and any other point leading up to this if you notice your casing starting to dry out(you want this). what I attribute the pin-set to aside from genetics would be lots of fae! and proper surface conditions. You want enough FAE so that the casing evaporates and needs re-hydration. I mist at least every/every other day with PE. IME PE needs more water and more FAE than standard cubes. just dont mist so much that the water isnt evaporating off the caps within several hours of misting. now just observe and take action when needed until your fruits are ready for harvest. PE gets noticeably soft when its ready for picking and yield wont suffer if they're not all rock hard when you pick em. well... thats it for now but any questions or comments are much appreciated and I'll keep updating as needed 
Here’s some pics...
Pins coming in:

Fruiting:



Results from other shroomerites that have used this method:
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lovepotion said:
Shout out to tedsdead for helping fine tune the pe magic-
 Grown on coir/ verm, cased after colonization (about 1 week) with jiffy/verm, let colonize another 5 days, cased again and put into fruiting. Spawn to harvest——>25 days
final casing depth (about 1-1.5" when all said and done):

side notes: -maximize FAE as much as possible while maintaining good surface conditions. a little water on the fruits never hurts as long as it evaporates within a few hours. - stagnant air accompanied by overly wet casing leads to molds! -patience, patience, patience !!! is key with this variety
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Edited by fahtster (05/11/21 09:18 PM)
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#26528419 - 03/11/20 02:07 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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There ya go.. fixed it for ya as requested. Nice post!
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#26528432 - 03/11/20 02:41 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice thread dead ted. So I have 5 shoeboxes going right now and most turned out like this, but a couple look like they are going to be a bit blobby. I think casing at 90-100% like I've been doing lately might be too late. I actually think I was doing it at 70% last time I grew PE but I can't remember . I need to start keeping a journal and notes... I'm gonna try out your method of just doing it when top is fully white, sounds reasonable
I just harvested this one recently and another one earlier tonight, 400+ grams wet each on m.s.....gotta love the PE even tho it's a tad slow

I cloned the thick dong in the mid-right, it was part of a nice cluster
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26528696 - 03/11/20 08:10 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice Post
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can I just use CVG as casing material? Haven't got access to peat unfortunately
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: eLeSDenes]
#26528774 - 03/11/20 08:56 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gonna give your casing method a whirl on my next round of PE. Still battling to get mine looking like some of the above pics but maybe this can help me get going in the right direction... Thanks Ted
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: Zifozonke]
#26528781 - 03/11/20 09:04 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice I’ll try this and post up some photos when my PE arrives!
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Good stuff ted I’m going to try PE my next grow. Another great way to pasteurize casing is in a instant pot.
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: eLeSDenes]
#26529004 - 03/11/20 11:34 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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eLeSDenes said: can I just use CVG as casing material? Haven't got access to peat unfortunately 
you can use that but its not likely that youll have the same success. I haven't used it myself but others I have talked to that use the "jiffy seed starter" mix have had good success. it still needs to be pasteurized.
also, don't forget to give your mushies lots of light! they like that too especially when pins are forming. I use 65K LED's;)
nice, I bet an insta-pot works great! anything where u can dial in the temp will work. just don't use a rolling boil
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#26529369 - 03/11/20 03:38 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I use Franks Tek for pasteurization. Works really well.
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Obviously Teds method works great and franks works well but I always had trouble with the jars floating around and spilling over when doing small amounts in jars and since this is a casing thread I figure covering all the pasteurizing bases can’t hurt... So.. you can also use gallon freezer ziplocks if you’re doing a small amount of casing for a mini tub or 2 on the stove top.
Things you’ll need: -Gallon freezer ziplocks -10” pot -8” pot -Meat thermometer -Tall drinking glass -Hand towel (2) -2.5qts or less casing material -Large bowl
1. Hydrate the casing material in a bowl to field capacity and load into a gallon ziplock (use the high end ziplocks since they tend to be more durable— you can also fill the bag with water first to check for leaks before you put the casing material into it). You can also double bag it if you’re worried the bag might leak—this is actually recommended.. if you do use one bag and it ends up leaking in, you can still use the soaked casing material.. just let it cool and ring it out a handful at a time.. it’s still pasteurized.
2. Once in the ziplock(s), flatten it out as much as possible... It took about 6 large handfuls to get the bag full enough that it was about 1”-1.5” thick when flattened.
3. Get a 10” large pot and an 8” medium pot. Fill the 10” with just enough water so that when the flattened out bag is submerged, it sits slightly above the bottom of the pot. You don’t want to fill it with more than that because it will be harder to control keeping the bag submerged with the 8” pot
4. Lay the ziplock down into the water in the 10” pot but make sure that only zip up the bag about 90% of the way so that when the small amount of water vapor that expands in the bag has somewhere to escape or the bag will start to float
5. Now put the 8” pot on top of the ziplock and fill that with enough water that it keeps the ziplock submerged in the water in the pot underneath


**Notice how the zipper on the ziplock isn’t completely closed, that’s for letting the air escape so it isn’t anymore buoyant when it heats up.
6. Use the drinking glass upside down and a hand towel bunched up (I figured out that putting two rolled up towels between the handles of the pots works great) to stabilize the 8” pot from shifting to one side or the other because of the water moving around... put the thermometer in between the two pots to further stabilize.

7. Put the heat to medium (5 on this stove—this may vary with your stove) and when the temp gets to about 150F, turn it down to 2.5 and it should start leveling out at 155F.. set alarm for 1.5 hours

8. Check every 8-10 minutes to make sure it hasn’t climbed above 160F or below 140F. Once it levels off around 155F, make small adjustments and as long as you check it often, then you shouldn’t don’t have to worry if it’s going to go too far one way or the other and over or under pasteurize.
Once done, take it out and lay it flat and unzip it some more and it should be cool and ready to use in like an hour.
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#26529667 - 03/11/20 06:52 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good stuff subscribing
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: Bsfixit]
#26529826 - 03/11/20 08:08 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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any proper pasteurization tek will work. thats just what I do.
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#26536337 - 03/15/20 10:19 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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fahtster said: Obviously Teds method works great and franks works well but I always had trouble with the jars floating around and spilling over when doing small amounts in jars
I found half gallon jars are perfect to solve this issue. Put 4 of them at a time in my presto or similar sized vessel, and fill it with water until they just barely float........they will shift slightly and lean into each other which suspends them perfectly in the bath. I’ve always followed franks method with this one tweak and it’s been solid for me!
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: SynKyd]
#26536449 - 03/15/20 11:17 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you tried top layering and comparatively do you think the peat casing is a must? Azure swore by peat casings for PE. I don’t like ph balancing so I never used peat much and my results were not nearly as good as yours.
Edited by eatyualive (03/15/20 01:41 PM)
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I have. I dont get as good of results but I've been experimenting lately. Im sure its more of a strain dependent thing. the one thing I do notice tho is that a thick casing or pseudo casing really helps. even with a peat casing if I put it on thin the PE myc tears through it and I still get a blobset. I've got a tub right now thats just pseudo cased that looks really good , no blobs. but... it is from a PE/TOC cross that I attempted so Im not sure if they maybe mated and thats whats going on. theyre still too young to tell but Ill let yall know.
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#26537044 - 03/15/20 05:11 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pe6 is a PE/toc cross from long ago. I’d like to see it when you get it going. I really wanna cross toc and rw but is so aggressive it just dominates the rw.
So the thin casing blobs but the thicker does not? Ive had side by sides with same culture, same grain jars, same recipe. One blobs and one doesnt. One reason I gave up on PE.
Edited by eatyualive (03/15/20 06:19 PM)
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correct. I think the thickness is what prevents the blobbing but I need to do more extensive testing to find out for sure.
I did not know that about pe6. I never had much luck with that one
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