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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#27183940 - 02/03/21 04:19 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is the gypsum and lime required? What would be the outcome if these were omitted?
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: EthnoM8]
#27184597 - 02/03/21 01:45 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes! The peat is too acidic on its own and trich thrives in acidic environments. Lime raises ph and gypsum acts as a buffer.
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#27184623 - 02/03/21 02:04 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hmmm ok I will have to invest in some lime and gypsum then... thanks for the tip!
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: EthnoM8]
#27184652 - 02/03/21 02:25 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Here’s a thread about making the casing mix that’s working well for me.. very specific on which lime to use etc https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=27177370&page=0&vc=1#27177370
Might be useful
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#27184773 - 02/03/21 04:02 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lime and gypsum are stupid cheap. A bag of each will last you quite a while. U want hydrated lime, the kind u use for the outhouse
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead] 3
#27201793 - 02/12/21 02:18 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ted, I've been meaning to post these here and keep forgetting. The double casing method is the shit. Big tub was pasty ez style, and the minis ala fahtster.
4qts sw pe. Coir/verm mix pasteurized in the instantpot.

this is 1qt mini from the same plate with wildly different genetics
 
another 1qt mini from the same plate


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ok so having some bizarre issues with 7 tubs of pe from ms. Did everything I always do learning from this thread and have a mass of side and bottom blobs with a couple random clusters on top. The clusters on top are all fat chodes but dried down tiny like they had hollow stems. All came from a swab I made from a solid sw ms grow. I went wrong somewhere but honestly have no clue where. Spawn was good, plates were good.
Another weird part, fastest pe I've ever seen. I harvested the top fruits at 22 days and the caps were already starting to curl out.
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U lined the tubs and err-tang?
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#27225091 - 02/25/21 12:21 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yup lined as always. Never have an issue with side/bottom pins on any tubs but these are completely filled. I cased way earlier than I normally do but these tubs colonized faster than anything I've seen. I think one tub was cased at 5 days and I did the rest on day 6.
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Have you run those genetics before? Or it was an ms grow?
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#27226019 - 02/25/21 02:11 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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This was an ms grow. Could be the luck of the genetics but the side and bottom blobs are whats throwing me off. Even ms grows I don't have that issue.
Update: in the last 24 hours these tubs have blown up. The small clusters have turned massive and more pins poking through the casing. I pulled each tub and removed all side and bottom blobs then increased fae and misting. Feeling pretty solid about it just being genetics. These all came from the same plate.
Edited by pureshrooming (02/26/21 10:39 AM)
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I've got 9 quarts of clean PE spawn just about ready to hit some shoeboxes but I've got a few questions before I jump in:
1) Is testing pH of the casing totally necessary? I sold my meter when I got out of home brewing.
2) So far I've only ever run unmodified shoeboxes, 6 and 12 quarts. The lids fit very loosely and I think they have quite a bit of FAE. Would I be better off modifying them? I also have a couple 54 quart tubs laying around I could modify if that would be better than modding a shoebox.
2a) If I'm better off modifying them, is there a specific TEK used to modify shoeboxes? I don't think it would be the same specs as Pastys EZ dial mono...or would it?
3) Is there any consensus about whether Jiffy mix is better/worse/equal to the casing recipe given my Ted?
4) I've always mixed spawn and sub then applied a .25 - .5" top layer (for a total of 1:2 ratio). Should this be adjusted at all?
Think that's all I've got for now. Thanks for the help, this is an awesome thread!
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Its not necessary as long as u get it right but its a good safegaurd. U can get a soil ph tester at most garden shops for 15$.
Shoeboxes should be fine, pe does great in trays IME. Just spawn as normal with or without the initial toplayer is fine.
Ive personally never used jiffy but fahtster has great success with it. I think u still need to add lime to it but might wanna double check on that.
I hope you get some killer fruits
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#27231958 - 03/01/21 11:39 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shoeboxes do great with PE.
I always use jiffy to case, it comes ph adjusted.
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: A.k.a]
#27232010 - 03/01/21 12:07 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the quick replies, guys! I feel much better about attempting a phallic variety now knowing I don't need to mod anything.
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A.k.a said: Shoeboxes do great with PE.
I always use jiffy to case, it comes ph adjusted.
As in, no need to add lime/gypsum? One of the big box stores in town has a couple bags so I'm going to go buy them out
Just to recap the process so I don't miss something painfully obvious:
1) prep sub (CV) 2) line tubs (never used a liner so I'll do a couple practice runs) 3) spawn/mix - lightly tamp and level. Apply thin top layer and level. 4) start fruiting conditions 5) once the top layer is about 50% colonized apply pasteurized casing. 6) re-apply casing layer once initial casing layer has colonized. 7) mist as necessary to maintain a moist casing throughout. 8) harvest 9) eat a bag of dicks
When applying the casing layer is it more important to just case before knots develop or is the colonization % what I should go by?
Sorry for the barrage of questions I just want to make sure I'm not missing something so I can get this right. Thanks for helping a noob out!
Edit: bring casing material to field capacity prior to pasteurization
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Yep I use jiffy right from the bag a lot of the time.
I’ve usually waited til the surface was like 80% to case but faht and ted have way more PE experience than I do.
You definitely want the casing on way before knots.
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: A.k.a]
#27232112 - 03/01/21 01:31 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I case the first 1/2” as soon as the sub surface is fully colonized.. usually 4 days after spawning with 1:2.. then when that’s fully colonized, add the 2nd 1/2”
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#27232793 - 03/01/21 09:41 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: zMan]
#27233005 - 03/02/21 12:57 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Another question I have, albeit a bit knit-picky: when you apply your casing layer do you just sprinkle it on or should I sprinkle/spread evenly, lightly press it into place and level it?
My instincts tell me to gently press it into place and level it but I'm also concerned about 'over working' it which is a common noob mistake...one that I've been guilty of more than once.
Thanks for the help guys. This is an awesome thread within a wonderful community. If I have any success with this variety it's completely due to you and your advice/support/knowledge!
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I got a couple tubs of PE I spawned and cased right away but im going to continue adding jiffy mix to the top and see how it goes. I know it's not to tek but I still want to see if there's a difference.
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