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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
    #27256108 - 03/16/21 07:32 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Ooh, sexxxy!!!  Nice work!




I’ll say! That’s an understatement. I’ll be happy if mine come in half that good. Nice job brother.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27256942 - 03/17/21 08:53 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)



Here's my progress so far: spawned at 1:2 (straight coir), ~.5" top layer, cased with pasteurized Jiffy at ~.5" thickness once top layer was mostly colonized, patched the initial casing layer for even colonization.

Today I will be pasteurizing more Jiffy and applying the second casing layer to 5 shoeboxes and 2 16q minis as they are all equally colonized at this point.

I think I'm going to regret goin' raw and not using a liner as a few of my tubs are already showing knots on the sides of the sub which makes me wonder if my surface conditions are too dry.

My 'experimental' shoebox that I lightly tamped/pressed the casing layer on seems to actually be moving at the same pace as the 'fluffy' casing boxes and is colonizing much more evenly.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27257190 - 03/17/21 10:55 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Well, the casing def is 100% effective, although tiny ass fruits lol





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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: Luminous7]
    #27257196 - 03/17/21 10:56 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

What causes small first flush? I get it everytime no matter waht on any strain.

For 5 years. Every first flush is small, then they get bigger as the tub matures. :shrug:


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: Luminous7]
    #27257244 - 03/17/21 11:18 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Is it ms? 


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
    #27257271 - 03/17/21 11:29 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

i think a overly wet substrate causes a small first flush from my experience


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
    #27257442 - 03/17/21 01:19 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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i think a overly wet substrate causes a small first flush from my experience



This is true from my experience as well, but i know for a fact this sub aint to wet. I learned the hard way with wet subs and now I make them on the dry side if anything. When i squueze as hard as i possibly can, i get oozing water between fingers but zero drips. Maybe 1 drip but usually just a bit of oozing.
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Is it ms? 



it is, but even with clones and isolates, always small first.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
    #27257807 - 03/17/21 04:57 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Ooh, sexxxy!!!  Nice work!




Would not be possible without your early guidance brotha! I am endlessly thankful for the undivided attention you gave.  I tried PE for a year with lots of blobs, contamination and lots of spotty results. It was brutal. Now it is my most reliable and consistent variety.

Ive got my eye on the Texas X PE you are working up


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: Luminous7]
    #27257820 - 03/17/21 05:02 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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What causes small first flush? I get it everytime no matter waht on any strain.

For 5 years. Every first flush is small, then they get bigger as the tub matures. :shrug:




How big are you trying to get your fruits? The pictures you've got in your signature look to be about average size. Im in the camp that believes size is most related to genetics. Some environmental factors play a role, but genetics have the biggest say. Your field capacity sounds about right too. Also, hidden bacterial contamination will stunt the growth of an otherwise healthy culture


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: lovepotion]
    #27257892 - 03/17/21 06:11 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

There’s the whole thing about the first flush taking up a lot of surface and so with less area the second flush makes up for it with bigger mushrooms.


My theory personally is that it’s about spreading spores. The first flush carpets the immediate area in spores with a bunch of smaller shrooms, so then the next flush is fewer but bigger which gives the spores more range when they drop from the cap to hit areas further away that the first flush short ones didn’t get to.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: A.k.a]
    #27257955 - 03/17/21 06:53 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

That’s an interesting take.  Seems logical :thumbup:

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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: Luminous7]
    #27258148 - 03/17/21 09:46 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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i think a overly wet substrate causes a small first flush from my experience



This is true from my experience as well, but i know for a fact this sub aint to wet. I learned the hard way with wet subs and now I make them on the dry side if anything. When i squueze as hard as i possibly can, i get oozing water between fingers but zero drips. Maybe 1 drip but usually just a bit of oozing.
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Is it ms? 



it is, but even with clones and isolates, always small first.




Id sum it up to surfave conditions, fae, and light.  G9tta get it optimal for dank pinsets.

I dont think theres time and room for any spores dumped to colonize and fruit for a 2nd flush.  Its maybe 50/50  for me 8f i see bigger fruits on a 2 b d flush.  Ive seen pins form out of cut stumps so i dont think area 8s a big factor. Probably just maximizing available nutes


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
    #27258339 - 03/18/21 03:08 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

What happens in monotubs is not directly comparable to what is happening in the natural environment. In nature, the most prolific crops correspond with favorable weather and environment. From a biological standpoint, the increase in fruit size in subsequent flushes for survival and competition purposes makes sense though. Although actually, bigger fruits are more likely to be seen and eaten by animals which may or may not help the continuation of their lineage. I never really thought about it before now.

I have seen the opposite be true where first flush produced the biggest mushrooms. Along with what Ted mentioned above, precise temperature can make or break a cycle. There are nuances specific to each variety. Some like more moisture, others less. Some are more sensitive to light than others. Some need tons of fresh air, others could care less. Some like high 70's F others fruit fine in the 60's F. The longer you focus on one variety, the more understanding and relationship you can develop and the better the chances of success


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: lovepotion]
    #27258911 - 03/18/21 01:02 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

So i have put the first .5" casing layer on 3 days ago and this is how my tubs look do you guys think i should wait 1 more day before putting on second .5" casing layer or should i do it today ?



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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: insutama]
    #27258997 - 03/18/21 01:52 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

That is an interesting thought, AKA. I hadn't thunk of that before.

PS. How a culture acts in a tub vs how it'd act in nature doesn't change the way it was created/ evolved/ what the fuck ever you call it. Kinda like how a chicken will still roost in a safe spot even though they are in a safe coop and don't need to. Genetic memory and what not.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27259534 - 03/18/21 08:42 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)



I finally got around to casing my shoeboxes and minis. This 16q mini is the first (and only) one I did. I finished putting the casing on and thought to myself 'hmm this Jiffy seems a little warm' so I checked the temp and it was 101F :facepalm:

Now I'm waiting for the other 5 quarts of jiffy to cool enough to finish casing and wondering how bad I screwed up that tub


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27259541 - 03/18/21 08:49 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Might still make it. I used some substrate that was still pretty warm from the night before and it colonized just fine. Mycelium is pretty tough :seriousthumbsup:


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #27259549 - 03/18/21 08:56 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the encouragement. Now that I think of it I've accidentally done the hot coir spawn before to and it turned out fine. I really need to pay more attention and slow down lol


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #27259550 - 03/18/21 08:57 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Should be fine, I've done the same thing with jiffy that was still ~107F


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27259558 - 03/18/21 09:05 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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That is an interesting thought, AKA. I hadn't thunk of that before.

PS. How a culture acts in a tub vs how it'd act in nature doesn't change the way it was created/ evolved/ what the fuck ever you call it. Kinda like how a chicken will still roost in a safe spot even though they are in a safe coop and don't need to. Genetic memory and what not.





I cant stop thinking about a field of cow patties each one its own little perfect canopy  :cuteshit:  :sporedrop:

the closest cube field is 2000+ miles away from me so i have no idea what happens in nature. But the whole thing about size and evolution makes a lot of sense

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So i have put the first .5" casing layer on 3 days ago and this is how my tubs look do you guys think i should wait 1 more day before putting on second .5" casing layer or should i do it today ?






Its getting close. When doing the double casing method, I usually wait until the first layer is 80-90% or even as it gets to 100% before adding the second casing layer. How many days has it been since spawning and how many days did you wait before applying the first casing layer?


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