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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27248770 - 03/11/21 06:47 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

:lmafo: all good, I know sarcasm doesn't come off that well on the internet but alas I try.

You don't need to add vermiculite to it, it already comes with it but I can see why some people might.

As far as water I used warm water straight from the tap and let it absorb for a few, mix it up, check for field capacity then add a bit more water and repeat until I'm close.

3-4 qts of dry jiffy to 1 qt of water will get you close enough to figure it out if not right on the spot.


As far as casing I don't really know how much it matters when you do your first casing. I think with this TEK it would matter even less if you properly hydrated and pasteurized the casing. So I would case it right away, lately I've been casing when I spawn without issue.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: zMan]
    #27248793 - 03/11/21 06:57 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

how much verm should i mix into my jiffy mix for casing ?

also i just spawned my jars and i did 1 quart spawn to 1 quart CVG it seems like alot of people do 1:2 i went with 1:1 my sub is about 1" thick in the shoebox is this good or should i add a psudo casing to thicken it up ? i just figured after i case it twice it will probally be 1.5 - 2 "


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: insutama]
    #27248880 - 03/11/21 07:55 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Jiffy doesnt need verm. It does need water.  The casing description in "mushroom cultivater" is pretty good.  Worth a read if u have no clue what a casing is/is for.  Theres free copies online


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
    #27248893 - 03/11/21 08:01 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

awesome i didnt think i needed to add verm but i noticed some people were.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: insutama]
    #27248904 - 03/11/21 08:06 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I mix a little verm in for cubes but stuff like pans and tamps need a lot more of it.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: A.k.a]
    #27248962 - 03/11/21 08:40 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

how about my sub does 1" seem okay if i plan on putting a casing layer on?



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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: insutama]
    #27248978 - 03/11/21 08:47 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like an insanely heavy spawn ratio.  I would mix it with more substrate. Ive gotten good results in prop flats but those are like 2.5 inches and i made the casing bulge over the top


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
    #27249005 - 03/11/21 08:59 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

i added a psudo layer on top of them so about 1.5 total CVG now and 1q spawn


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: insutama]
    #27249031 - 03/11/21 09:25 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Well, only 1 way to find out.  Thats pretty thin tho and u have alot of spawn compared to your sub ratio.  Looks like 1:1?  I do like 1:4


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
    #27249044 - 03/11/21 09:35 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

:takingnotes: I've been doing a 1:2 with a top layer for all my grows. I'll increase my sub next time around and see if I can't either get better flushes or at least get a couple extra tubs out of the same spawn volume

On a side note, I think I'm going to regret skipping the liner. I'm ~5 days after spawning and the sub is already pulling away from the shoeboxes. PE is absolutely devouring this sub!


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27249099 - 03/11/21 10:32 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Looks like an insanely heavy spawn ratio.  I would mix it with more substrate. Ive gotten good results in prop flats but those are like 2.5 inches and i made the casing bulge over the top




Ya think?!
@insutama. Read the post directly above your post when you asked about mixing vermiculite. Xmas just answered that same question for me. I’m definitely going to check out the write up that Ted is talking about to learn more about casing.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27249117 - 03/11/21 10:53 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Uh,  its a stamets book not a writeup on the .org


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
    #27249127 - 03/11/21 11:02 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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PE tends to tear through casing like none other. thats why I keep laying it down untill I can see it starting to consolidate just under the surface. then you know its done and ready




When you say that you know it’s done and ready do you mean it’s time to put into fruiting?


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27249178 - 03/11/21 11:53 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

It should be in fruiting conditions once u case it if not before.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
    #27249344 - 03/12/21 05:24 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

OK then what exactly do you mean by “it’s done”? Thanks for all your help on this by the way in the entire post and casing it has been a huge help and a huge learning experience. I only have a couple of girls under my belt and these are my first PEs.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27249376 - 03/12/21 06:13 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

He means the myc surface is level under or over the casing at this point (at least that's how I took it).

I patched my 2 tubs that I tedcased yesterday,  they came through that think ass casing layer in 2 days.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: zMan]
    #27249496 - 03/12/21 08:02 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Basically when you see knots forming.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: A.k.a]
    #27249529 - 03/12/21 08:34 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I’m going to really hammer it home here for Ern.. he means when the casing run (colonization of the casing layer) has ended and the sub switches to knotting and is “ready” to pin.  You’ll notice the myc at the sub surface start to “tighten” up (less fluffiness).. that’s when you stop patching.  That’s also when I stop mistings but that could vary depending on your climate.

Put it into fruiting conditions either right away or when you add that first casing layer or anytime between there

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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
    #27249552 - 03/12/21 08:50 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Well, only 1 way to find out.  Thats pretty thin tho and u have alot of spawn compared to your sub ratio.  Looks like 1:1?  I do like 1:4




yes it is 1:1 with a top layer now but still quite thin i dont really wanna keep messing with it so i guess we will just have to see how it turns out probally get small fruits im assuming now


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
    #27249682 - 03/12/21 10:40 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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I’m going to really hammer it home here for Ern.. he means when the casing run (colonization of the casing layer) has ended and the sub switches to knotting and is “ready” to pin.  You’ll notice the myc at the sub surface start to “tighten” up (less fluffiness).. that’s when you stop patching.  That’s also when I stop mistings but that could vary depending on your climate.

Put it into fruiting conditions either right away or when you add that first casing layer or anytime between there

Faht




Nice Faht! That sums it up perfectly. Seeing I’ve always been taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question I have to ask!! Because if I’m not sure what a knot is exactly and I shouldn’t be doing this!! That’s the basics!  I have never actually been SHOWN what a” KNOT” is. I’ve always been guessing. So I’m going to guess that a knot is the small dime size rizomorphic patches (sometime fluffy) that pop thru???  That being said, the casing layer of CVG that I put down three days ago it’s starting to get some. As Ted said...that PE MYC will tear through that casing layer. I’m about to pasteurize my JIFFY as we speak. I’m going to use that to patch because I had to use CVG to case if you remember. I don’t know why when this whole conversation and you routing me towards Ted’s dead low offer you didn’t send me to everything Faht. I spent a lot of time on your page yesterday last night too we hours of the morning here on the East Coast and you gave a great write up on first casing and the purpose of it. It was kind of funny in the beginning because you were kind of telling all the other guys with their TC‘s do not jump down your throat so quickly but to just give it a try and hear you out.  Anyway after reading this I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re a humble man. You re-directing me towards another guy instead of showing me your own notes which I found extremely helpful because now I know the mechanics behind casing. PS I’m about to use your Tek for pastuizing...of course with my own spin. I was hoping you could tell me if these are ready for a casing layer. I have one 32 quart tub and then I have two shoeboxes. The 32 is APES. And the SBs are APES and PEs. Also after reading the purpose of casing on your page I’m curious if it would be beneficial to case everything!?!?



Going from left to right. #1 is the 32qt PE cased with the CVG that kicked this casing adventure off! Lol
#2 are the same 32qt tube with APES. Is that ready to be cased yet?
#4 are shoeboxes with PE and APES.

The initial tub of PE is the only one done with a grain. Popcorn. All the other tubs were done with BRF PF cakes shredded with a cheese grater. Only because I’m told they’re more resistant to contaminants and I do not have a flow hood.  I’m off to finish pasteurizing my Jiffy bags. I look forward to hearing from you Faht. You’re a good teacher and I trust your guidance. Anybody who’s been doing this as long as you have and still has the patience to teach somebody like me and all the other nuts on here has got to have a heart as big as The South American rainforest. I look forward to when I get to the point where I can give back on here. It will be my duty to pass on what has been u selfishly given to me. Thank you.


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