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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#27247150 - 03/10/21 06:21 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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If it doesn't matter im not gonna bother
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: insutama]
#27247198 - 03/10/21 06:58 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don’t add one.. haven’t had any problems so far
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#27247654 - 03/11/21 05:43 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I have this APE from Ms monotub and it's going about as well as you'd think. The fruits its throwing are tiny, but the tub is contammed. I threw salt on it hoping to get a flush to be able to close one of these things but if I clone tiny will future fruits be the same? Thoughts?
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: zMan]
#27247655 - 03/11/21 05:47 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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zMan said: So I have this APE from Ms monotub and it's going about as well as you'd think. The fruits its throwing are tiny, but the tub is contammed. I threw salt on it hoping to get a flush to be able to close one of these things but if I clone tiny will future fruits be the same? Thoughts?
I don't believe so, you have some adverse conditions causing the small fruits, take a swab or clone a fruit and grow out the plate.
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#27247713 - 03/11/21 06:53 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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fahtster said: Don’t throw the tub away Ernie lol. You’ll still get a flush out of and there’s plenty of time to case it with coir/verm.. it just might be a flush of blobs which is fine too.. they’re usually potent as hell. The thick top layer will help keep the rh up in the tub as well. You’re fine, don’t freak out.
If you follow pasty’s plan with the tubs, you don’t need to fan the sub.. just put the tape back on, take the little fan off it and and let it be (after adding the coir/verm)
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Hey Faht when you said to put the tape back on where are you referring to my clear packing tape that I had on there to start with? Because right now what I have on there is a double layer of micropore tape. Also can you give me the link to pasteurizing the Jiffy seed starter. As I mentioned I have another tub going that I started a few days after the one we are talking about. This one is of apes and I’m going to assume the same thing else to be done here and I’m going to run out and get that seed starter. Also, I wanted to ask you if you’ve ever heard of somebody casing with straight pasteurized vermiculite moistened of course? I was talking with somebody last night and I’m assuming he knows what he’s doing only from the in-depth conversations I’ve had with him in the pictures I’ve seen. No I’ve only been around a short time I know when somebody’s BOGUS and when someone is not. This guy definitely has many grows under his belt. I’ve got no reason to think that he is full of shit.
@RockyFungus. I noticed in the pictures of the tubs you posted for me (thank you) that your tabs are on modified. So what did you here? Just flip the lids once you put them in to fruiting?
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ErnieErgot67 said: @RockyFungus. I noticed in the pictures of the tubs you posted for me (thank you) that your tabs are on modified. So what did you here? Just flip the lids once you put them in to fruiting?
Just a shoebox and my lids are currently placed on top of the box diagonally so large areas of the box are exposed to air
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No I meant the micropore as per pasty’s tek. Maybe I read your response wrong.. thought you removed 1 layer and it started drying out.
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#27247898 - 03/11/21 09:26 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lesson learned last night: check the batteries in your cheap thermometer before attempting to pasteurize your casing material..it showed a steady climb from 100F to 125F, then stalled at 130F. I turned the stove back on for about 5 minutes, killed the heat and it jumped to 155F and peaked out about 175F...I pulled the jars out (franks method) and let them air cool until they went back to about 150F and put them back in the pot for the remaining 30 minutes. I *think* they were only at or above 170 for 5, maybe 10 minutes but it's hard for me to trust the readings I was getting.
So, whatdya say? Should I roll with it and case with that material or try pasteurizing again? My shoeboxes need to get cased asap
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correct me if im wrong but i thought 180 was absolute max so i would think your casing would be fine if it hit 175 briefly
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: insutama]
#27247994 - 03/11/21 10:49 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd like to know if you're right or wrong to lol. I (tried to) follow Franks TEK and he says if you hit or go over 170F for more than 10 or 15 minutes to start over 
I think I'm just going to run with it anyway and hope for the best. Assuming my thermometer wasn't wrong the entire time (which, is a possibility...cheap POS!) it wasn't over 170 for long so I think I'll be alright. Plus I really don't want these shoeboxes to start knotting and screw me up even further
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Run with it. You’ll be fine
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#27248066 - 03/11/21 11:21 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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170 is max. I like 165f but as long as it wasnt boiling the whole time u should be fine.
Casing with straight verm isnt gonna stop blobs. Its also an extreme pain to have to clean it 9ff all 9f the fruits
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#27248322 - 03/11/21 01:35 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanx Ted. And I guess I follow Frank’s Tek for pasturizing. I’m at Home Depot right now as we speak picking up some Jiffy seed starter. When I read your profile name I think of Zeds Dead from Pulp Fiction! Thanx again Brutha!
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
#27248486 - 03/11/21 03:47 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey Fahster...Just for you Brutha!
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Edited by ErnieErgot67 (03/11/21 03:48 PM)
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That’s the stuff right there.
One of those and some fine verm and you’ll have tons of casing. Mines lasted well over a year and I’m just starting to get the the bottom 20% of the jiffy.
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: A.k.a]
#27248576 - 03/11/21 04:41 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I can't find Jiffy anywhere in town!
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A.k.a said: That’s the stuff right there.
One of those and some fine verm and you’ll have tons of casing. Mines lasted well over a year and I’m just starting to get the the bottom 20% of the jiffy.
Now you've got me wondering if I used too much..I mixed 4 quarts Jiffy to 1 quart water, filled 7 quart jars and I only have two jars left. I cased 5 shoeboxes and 2 16 quart minis. I have probably 2/3 of the bag left
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To be fair I’ve mostly been using it on pans and tamps which use super thin casing. Even the PE and regular cubes I’ve cased weren’t very big, maybe 1/3” or 1/2” at the most.
Plus with tamps the casings like 70% verm, pans about 50%.
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bigfootscreepyuncl said: I'd like to know if you're right or wrong to lol. I (tried to) follow Franks TEK and he says if you hit or go over 170F for more than 10 or 15 minutes to start over 
Frank says to toss the entire thing and start over. If you THINK you ruined it, you can do a new batch and let the other one recover. Going to far over kills the good stuff we want to leave alone when we pasteurize but leaving it alone for a week or 2, the good stuff in there will get a chance to multiply and all will be well.
Also this is why I got a sous vide, makes pasteurizing so easy.
I think I'm just going to run with it anyway and hope for the best. Assuming my thermometer wasn't wrong the entire time (which, is a possibility...cheap POS!) it wasn't over 170 for long so I think I'll be alright. Plus I really don't want these shoeboxes to start knotting and screw me up even further
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ErnieErgot67 said: Thanx Ted. And I guess I follow Frank’s Tek for pasturizing. I’m at Home Depot right now as we speak picking up some Jiffy seed starter. When I read your profile name I think of Zeds Dead from Pulp Fiction! Thanx again Brutha!
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ErnieErgot67 said: Hey Fahster...Just for you Brutha!

I thought you said you're at home depot.. CLEARLY wal-mart... the lies!
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: zMan]
#27248669 - 03/11/21 05:47 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Save the extra casing. Your gonna need it to recase and patch
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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
#27248744 - 03/11/21 06:35 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I thought you said you're at home depot.. CLEARLY wal-mart... the lies!
Actually I was at Lowe’s and they didn’t have any so I went next-door to Walmart and they had a shit load.
Next question. One of you guys said to me that I have to mix it with vermiculite???? I thought I could use it straight out of the bag? And then somebody else was saying they mixed 3 quarts to 1 quart of water???
What’s the scoop? How am I supposed to use this stuff? Please and thank you. Also I’m going to post a tub of APES I have colonizing. Are they almost ready to be cased?

This tub was spawned on 3/6. Thank you</font>
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Edited by ErnieErgot67 (03/11/21 06:36 PM)
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