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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27244275 - 03/09/21 02:00 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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I've got mycelium starting to poke through my pseudo-casing/top layer (.25-.5") so I'm not far from casing it and have a couple questions:

Should I pasteurize and let the bag rest for a few days to build up the beneficial microbe colonies or can I case it the same day I pasteurize?

the only reason I ask is because I know for Pans (following JOC and JCM teks) they recommend pasteurizing and letting the casing rest for 4 or 5 days. But, thats a completely different beast and they're using manure not jiffy/peat.

As always, thanks for all your help! Also, I'm getting my 6500k lights rigged up today so I'm getting REALLY excited for this batch of shoeboxes :rockon:




I re-read the thread and my question was answered in like the 3rd paragraph lol..Thanks for this awesome thread! I think I'll be casing in 2-3 days and with any luck be harvesting in a few weeks


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27244284 - 03/09/21 02:20 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Just commenting so I can come back to this thread :laugh:


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27245004 - 03/09/21 01:09 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

So I’m pretty new at growing mushrooms and it took me two months to figure out how to grow mushrooms so I thought I’d grow some penis envy this time and step it up from shoeboxes. I had no idea I had to do all the casing stuff. I thought casing was just after I spawned my jars I covered up the exposed grain. So now I got this fully colonized Tub for the past eight days and I just learned that I have to case it. I do t have any of these supplies and I’m ready to throw the whole fucking tub in the garbage. To boot I have another 6 quarts of PE colonizing and another tub of APES colonizing. Can I just case it with my CVG?? God this is fricking horrible! Just when I finally think I know what the fuck I’m doing I get this curveball thrown at me. I thought a cube was a cube. Yeah I figured they all take different times to colonize but growing penis envy is a whole different ballgame it’s a whole different process. Wtf!?!?

On top of that I got so sick of fanning this perfectly white carpet of mycelium  I put a small 6 inch fan on it and bruised mycelium!


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27245019 - 03/09/21 01:18 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Don’t throw the tub away Ernie lol. You’ll still get a flush out of and there’s plenty of time to case it with coir/verm.. it just might be a flush of blobs which is fine too.. they’re usually potent as hell.  The thick top layer will help keep the rh up in the tub as well.  You’re fine, don’t freak out.

If you follow pasty’s plan with the tubs, you don’t need to fan the sub.. just put the tape back on, take the little fan off it and and let it be (after adding the coir/verm)

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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
    #27245118 - 03/09/21 02:17 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

See if you can find jiffy seed starter mix. It’s the exact mix we use for casing, I use it right from the bag most of the time but you can pasteurize it to be safe.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: A.k.a]
    #27245324 - 03/09/21 04:15 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Pe are definitely a bit more finicky.  Just keep this tub and learn from it. Try casing on your next. Theres plenty of time.  The jiffy mix they have at most garden/hardware stores and at wallmart.  Its just so much more expensive than peat where im at ive never used it.  Listen to these guys


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: A.k.a]
    #27245480 - 03/09/21 06:18 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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See if you can find jiffy seed starter mix. It’s the exact mix we use for casing, I use it right from the bag most of the time but you can pasteurize it to be safe.




Get a bit of it wet and PH it.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: A.k.a]
    #27245866 - 03/09/21 11:24 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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See if you can find jiffy seed starter mix. It’s the exact mix we use for casing, I use it right from the bag most of the time but you can pasteurize it to be safe.




Going straight from the bag makes me nervous but I don't think I'll have time to properly pasteurize in time. But I'd rather take the risk than almost certainly have blobs :shrug:


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
    #27245895 - 03/09/21 11:47 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Well I did case it with my CVG. So we will see what happens. What I don’t understand is what causes the blobbing? Like what’s the purpose of casing? What does the casing actually do? And why do you have to use Pete Moss and lyme and more gypsum. Yeah I got a little upset because I followed the directions from the Shroomery “as advised” and went from an MSS to agar to grain because it’s this The Shroomery way or no way. (A little sarcasm there) only to find out I’m missing a complete major step that I had no idea about. Then to boot I have a bunch more quart jars colonizing and I have an eight tub already spawned. I can tell you this, depending on how this comes out I will not be working with PEs anymore. I think I’m gonna stick to some lizard kings awesome pink buffaloes. Or maybe some Tasmania’s. And that’s only because I have a bunch of that stuff going as well. Thank you for all the advice in saving my ass again. There really are a bunch of good people on here.


The reason why I need to know about the mechanics and science behind this casing layer is because I have a order of Dino soil coming which is a substrate. I’m guessing somebody may know what it is however if I can use CVG as a casing layer can I use this Dino soil in place of the Pete Moss recipe. I was just about to buy some premade casing from shrooms supply which is the Pete Moss recipe.thank you.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: ErnieErgot67]
    #27245922 - 03/10/21 12:37 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Home Depot sells jiffy mix seed starter mix and the exact recipe for the peat/verm (even tho their new recipe has coir in it but still works). Ppl use it straight out of the bag but I’d recommend pasteurizing.. pasteurizing is easy and a good skill to have in this hobby.  PE can be ridiculously potent in a general sense.. all cubes have that potential but PE seems to have a better chance of getting a high potency culture randomly than most cubes.  But if you get get PE down man, you can get flushes like this of really good shrooms


It’s all right here in this thread.. just gotta follow the instructions.  Easiest route is jiffy seed starter mix that you pasteurize and apply the right thickness at the right times and keep it moist.  You’ve gotten this far, might as well go all the way homie

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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
    #27246099 - 03/10/21 05:18 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Ernie you can go without the casingayer and may luck out and not have blobs. Especially if you let you grain consolidate for an extra week before spawning. That being said, like Faht pointed out, the blobs are fine to consume.

No one is 100% sure why they blob but the general consensus is that the grain caries too many nutrients and when the substrate has to many nutrients then they blob.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: zMan]
    #27246166 - 03/10/21 06:56 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I cased only like a 1/4" with jiffy seed starter and lucked out with this tub! They just keep growing...


Here's maybe 1/8" uncased spawned at same time...probably bacterial too


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: rockyfungus]
    #27246204 - 03/10/21 07:31 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Gonna get a nice haul off that first one!  :thumbup:  you cloning any?

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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: fahtster]
    #27246233 - 03/10/21 07:54 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I wanted to be over cubes and focus primarily on exotics...but these guys are too much fun.

Yeah I want the cowboy hat in the center, and back left about 10:30, big guys of course.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: rockyfungus]
    #27246273 - 03/10/21 08:22 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

lol wait til you eat some then you’ll magically feel much different about PE.


Even if you don’t case you’ll be alright. You’ll just get some blobs and then the second flush will be normal.


I think it’s something to do with the casing providing a foundation with no nutrients that stops blobs. No idea why but that’s really the only thing it could be.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: A.k.a]
    #27246574 - 03/10/21 11:35 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Ya, noone really knows why it helps with the pe blobs. Just theories.  Casing is necessary in the cultivation of many species including button mushrooms so im amazed youve never heard of it before.

Hehehe... 2nd flush might be normal.  Ive had it go both ways.  However one of my best pe cultures came from cloning a 2nd flush fatty

Ive never heard anything supporting or ever experienced less blobing because i let my jar or bag sit for an extra week.


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
    #27246605 - 03/10/21 11:55 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)



my 6qt shoeboxes are ready to case and my 16qt minis look the exact same! As soon as I finish some chores I'm going to try my hand at pasteurizing some jiffy mix and get to casing. Thanks for all the help, guys!

Edit: If I don't use all of my pasteurized casing material right now can I just bag/jar it up and save it for next time? Should I just re-pasteurize it when I need to use it next? Thanks!


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27246763 - 03/10/21 01:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, it will stay good for weeks. U can always repasteurize later on


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: TedsDead]
    #27246930 - 03/10/21 03:56 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Im just about to spawn my jars to coir/verm im planning on casing so should i still make a psudo layer of the verm/coir or should i just mix the grain and coir all together then once colonized case it ?


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Re: PE... by TedsDead [Re: insutama]
    #27246954 - 03/10/21 04:06 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Either way is fine. I usually do but it doesnt really matter.  Youll save a day or 2 if you dont add one.


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