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Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036
#26527024 - 03/10/20 10:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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https://apple.news/AmDogBefuThiVhLVYp7I16g
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Vladimir Putin set the stage to stay on as Russia’s president for potentially another 16 years, reversing his past opposition to scrapping term limits so that he -- and only he -- can continue to rule the country.
Anyone surprised?
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: feldman114] 4
#26527025 - 03/10/20 10:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nope
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: VP123]
#26527096 - 03/10/20 11:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Allot of Trumps supporters want the same thing for him and his family .
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: feldman114]
#26527106 - 03/10/20 11:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is exactly what I thought the maneuver from a few months ago was about. I am surprised that the current statement is so soon and so blatant, but I'm not surprised at the level of legislative support it received.
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Brian Jones]
#26527125 - 03/10/20 11:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Boy, what a bummer.
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Brian Jones]
#26527137 - 03/10/20 11:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Brian Jones said: This is exactly what I thought the maneuver from a few months ago was about. I am surprised that the current statement is so soon and so blatant, but I'm not surprised at the level of legislative support it received.
It’s ok, he’ll come out and say it openly in about a year, like he did with Russian troops in Crimea. Hiding lies is for dictators who don’t have a steel grip on their sheeple’s minds. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/vladimir-putin-admits-russian-military-presence-ukraine
Also... Where’s Mr. Falcon on this one? I even baited him with the “supreme leader” edit. What’s a troll gotta do to get a mostly sensible person to defend an authoritarian around here?
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: feldman114]
#26527467 - 03/10/20 02:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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feldman114 said: Where’s Mr. Falcon on this one? I even baited him with the “supreme leader” edit. What’s a troll gotta do to get a mostly sensible person to defend an authoritarian around here?
The story is a bit different from how you portrayed it. I'll first summarize using a quote from your own article:
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Valentina Tereshkova, a respected United Russia lawmaker who was also the first woman in space, made the proposal to reset the term limit under the revised constitution, saying “Putin needs to be there -- in case something goes wrong.”
“This proposal will calm everyone down,” Valentina Matviyenko, speaker of the upper house of parliament, told state television. “All this discussion of who would be the successor, what would happen to national security, these are all alarming processes.”
Russians in general have FAR more respect for Putin than we have for our own president, and most Russians believe he's done an outstanding job for them. It's actually the people who don't want to let him go.
Putin said he wants to keep term limits in a proposed constitutional amendment, and said the legality of Tereshkova's proposal to reset the term limit clock after passing the term limit amendment would have to be evaluated by Russia's Constitutional Court.
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26527477 - 03/10/20 02:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interfering in US elections for many years to come.
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26527487 - 03/10/20 02:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of course they have more respect , Putin actually spent time serving the govt he leads. Trump is just a real estate con artist . Why should we respect the lying draft dodging cunt ?
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26527509 - 03/10/20 02:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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feldman114 said: Where’s Mr. Falcon on this one? I even baited him with the “supreme leader” edit. What’s a troll gotta do to get a mostly sensible person to defend an authoritarian around here?
The story is a bit different from how you portrayed it. I'll first summarize using a quote from your own article:
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Valentina Tereshkova, a respected United Russia lawmaker who was also the first woman in space, made the proposal to reset the term limit under the revised constitution, saying “Putin needs to be there -- in case something goes wrong.”
“This proposal will calm everyone down,” Valentina Matviyenko, speaker of the upper house of parliament, told state television. “All this discussion of who would be the successor, what would happen to national security, these are all alarming processes.”
Russians in general have FAR more respect for Putin than we have for our own president, and most Russians believe he's done an outstanding job for them. It's actually the people who don't want to let him go.
Putin said he wants to keep term limits in a proposed constitutional amendment, and said the legality of Tereshkova's proposal to reset the term limit clock after passing the term limit amendment would have to be evaluated by Russia's Constitutional Court.
Phew, I was starting to get worried. Hope you’re not taking my stupid puns the wrong way. I only troll the poasters I like.
So you believe Russian lawmakers function independently of the central government? Like, do you think anything they say publicly is their actual opinion, even if it conflicts with Putin’s agenda?
I think it’s clear that no one can override Putin, regardless of the issue at hand. That considered, “her” initiative is very much Putin’s.
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Opposition to President Vladimir Putin in Russia can be divided between the parliamentary opposition parties in the State Duma and the various non-systemic opposition organizations. While the former are largely viewed as being more or less loyal to the government and Putin,[1][2] the latter oppose the government and are mostly unrepresented in government bodies.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_Vladimir_Putin_in_Russia
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: feldman114] 1
#26527549 - 03/10/20 03:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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feldman114 said: So you believe Russian lawmakers function independently of the central government? Like, do you think anything they say publicly is their actual opinion, even if it conflicts with Putin’s agenda?
Yes, I do. People contradict Putin's position all the time.
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feldman114 said: I think it’s clear that no one can override Putin, regardless of the issue at hand. That considered, “her” initiative is very much Putin’s.
And I think it's clear you have a very bad case of Putin derangement syndrome. But if you have evidence to support your point of view, I'm all ears.
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Opposition to President Vladimir Putin in Russia can be divided between the parliamentary opposition parties in the State Duma and the various non-systemic opposition organizations. While the former are largely viewed as being more or less loyal to the government and Putin,[1][2] the latter oppose the government and are mostly unrepresented in government bodies.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_Vladimir_Putin_in_Russia
I don't know what you think you're showing here. Do people exist in Russia that hate Putin? Of course, just like in any other country. Are they a majority? Not even close.
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26527562 - 03/10/20 03:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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People? Sure
Lawmakers? Nope
No member of the government opposes Putin. And that’s what my source demonstrates.
Here’s the Russian opposition’s statement on the latest news. Notice how none of the opposition leaders hold any government titles. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/28/russia-protests-constitution-boris-nemtsov-vladimir-putin/
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“The Kremlin is going to look at how many people attend the Nemtsov march,” Alexey Navalny, a leading opposition figure who has investigated high-level corruption for years, wrote on Twitter. “This will influence how brazenly they will pursue the operation to keep Putin in power. This will influence the future of political prisoners.”
The call was echoed by other opposition politicians, including Ilya Yashin, who referenced both Nemtsov and Putin’s attempted power grab in his tweet.
Nemtsov, who had been working on a report examining Russia’s role in the conflict in Ukraine, was gunned down on Feb. 27, 2015, as he strolled with his girlfriend along a bridge not far from the Kremlin. He was a liberal politician who served as a deputy prime minister during Boris Yeltsin’s presidency and became one of Putin’s most prominent opponents.
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: feldman114] 1
#26527640 - 03/10/20 03:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lawmakers vote against Putin all the time. The thing is that most (not all) Russians love Putin and many members of Parliament are elected accordingly. But they still have a communist party and other parties that oppose him.
As I've explained many times, Russian elections are FAR more transparent than American elections, and cheating is nearly impossible. If Russians don't want Putin beyone 2024, they simply vote him out! But public opinion polls (regardlesss of who conducts them) show that he's still very well liked. And my own travels to Russia confirm this to be the case as well.
Russia is no longer the old Communist Soviet Union, and many people around the world seem to not know this.
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26527678 - 03/10/20 04:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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As of 2013 Russia ranked 148th out of 179 countries in the Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders. In the 2015 Freedom House Freedom of the Press report Russia scored 83 (100 being the worst), mostly because of new laws introduced in 2014 that further extended the state control over mass media
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia
Trump would have a much higher approval rating too, maybe as high as Putin’s if our media wasn’t protected by the constitution.
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Psilynut2] 2
#26527701 - 03/10/20 04:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Reporters Without Borders?
Reporters Without Borders seems to have a geopolitical agenda
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Voltaire Network has systematically exposed the financial ties between French-based NGO Reporters Without Borders and US Government/CIA front organizations. Officially devoted to "freedom of the press", RWB is best known for its smear campaigns against Washington’s political foes
Propaganda for a Price: Reporters Without Borders
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Reporters Without Borders is usually biased towards nations who Washington and Europe deem uncooperative.
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
#26527710 - 03/10/20 04:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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That has fuck all to do with what I said . Perhaps you could explain to me all of the laws Russia has passed protecting freedom of the press in that country ? Like this one . I’m glad , so glad I don’t live in Russia . I would like Putin too .
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A new law criminalizing “disrespect” for Russian society and institutions might mark the end of the country’s few remaining legal forms of protests.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/585502/
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Psilynut2] 1
#26527924 - 03/10/20 06:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: Perhaps you could explain to me all of the laws Russia has passed protecting freedom of the press in that country ? Like this one . I’m glad , so glad I don’t live in Russia . I would like Putin too .
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A new law criminalizing “disrespect” for Russian society and institutions might mark the end of the country’s few remaining legal forms of protests.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/585502/
Sure, I'd be happy to explain to you. Russia is trying to protect itself from foreign interference.
One of the bills prohibits publication of “socially important” false information, which “endangers life and well-being of citizens,” incites mass disturbance of order, disruption of infrastructure, and so on. Minor infringements would be left unpunished.
The second bill prohibits publication of material, which “insults” the state and its symbols in an “obscene” fashion. The legislation shields the constitution, state symbols and all the branches of the state’s authority from insults. That does NOT mean that the citizens would be penalized for speaking out against these; such criticism could still be made in “virtually any manner, except for blatantly insulting.”
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Psilynut2]
#26527935 - 03/10/20 06:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The fact that Russian “opposition” parties are all Putin’s is so well known that it’s on Wikipedia lol
There’s hope though https://www.npr.org/2020/01/01/792832338/young-people-in-russia-are-rebelling-against-putins-rule
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But these days, a new generation of Russians who grew up under Putin is not so interested in how people lived before they were born. They measure themselves by their peers in Europe or the United States, and they don't like what they see. A recent poll shows more than half of these young Russians would like to leave their country. Young people are starting to rebel against Putin's rule even in Russia's conservative heartland. Here's NPR's Lucian Kim.
LUCIAN KIM, BYLINE: Dmitry Nikolayev didn't used to care about politics. He was just a normal 20-something from Tula, an arms-producing town south of Moscow. His dad was a factory worker, his mom a saleswoman in a store.
DMITRY NIKOLAYEV: (Speaking Russian).
KIM: Then out of the blue, he says, he was called in by the police. He'd posted on social media about a heavy metal band whose songs the government had labeled extremist.
Edit: the article actually touches well on the subject you’re discussing! Synchronicity braaah
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: feldman114]
#26528030 - 03/10/20 07:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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feldman114 said: The fact that Russian “opposition” parties are all Putin’s is so well known that it’s on Wikipedia lol
Wikipedia referenced a Washington Post article for that. That Washington Post article didn't quite say that, but it did mention Putin's approval rating was about 82 percent.
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feldman114 said: There’s hope though https://www.npr.org/2020/01/01/792832338/young-people-in-russia-are-rebelling-against-putins-rule
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But these days, a new generation of Russians who grew up under Putin is not so interested in how people lived before they were born. They measure themselves by their peers in Europe or the United States, and they don't like what they see. A recent poll shows more than half of these young Russians would like to leave their country. Young people are starting to rebel against Putin's rule even in Russia's conservative heartland. Here's NPR's Lucian Kim.
LUCIAN KIM, BYLINE: Dmitry Nikolayev didn't used to care about politics. He was just a normal 20-something from Tula, an arms-producing town south of Moscow. His dad was a factory worker, his mom a saleswoman in a store.
DMITRY NIKOLAYEV: (Speaking Russian).
KIM: Then out of the blue, he says, he was called in by the police. He'd posted on social media about a heavy metal band whose songs the government had labeled extremist.
Edit: the article actually touches well on the subject you’re discussing! Synchronicity braaah
I'd be willing to bet there's a LOT more to this story than some guy posting about a heavy metal band. There always is. The only thing your article covers is the arrested guy's point of view.
It makes for a more interesting story to the West when you leave out the other side's point of view.
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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26528079 - 03/10/20 07:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Russian people have been getting arrested for posting on social media for years now...idk how you haven’t heard of it from all your Russian contacts.
First 2 I found https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/01/young-russians-posting-memes-face-jail-for-extremism
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-45247879 No one should face jail time for poasting
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