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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: feldman114]
    #26528081 - 03/10/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/02/09/there-s-no-such-thing-as-an-accidental-repost

This is a good one. Apparently people received jail time for “Likes” as well


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26528394 - 03/11/20 01:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Russian people have been getting arrested for posting on social media for years now...idk how you haven’t heard of it from all your Russian contacts.

First 2 I found
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/01/young-russians-posting-memes-face-jail-for-extremism

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-45247879
No one should face jail time for poasting:nerd:




No one got jail time.

"Criminal cases against three Barnaul residents were discontinued in January (2019). Andrei Shasherin and Maria Motuznaya had been charged under Article 148 Part 1 of the Criminal Code (insulting the feelings of believers) and Article 282 Part 1 of the Criminal Code (incitement of hatred) for publishing atheistic and xenophobic images; Daniil Markin had been charged with abasement of dignity of Christians under Article 282 Part 1 for publishing anti-Christian memes... their posts did not give sufficient grounds for prosecution."

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https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/02/09/there-s-no-such-thing-as-an-accidental-repost

This is a good one. Apparently people received jail time for “Likes” as well




Same thing

"In 2012, Vitold Filippov faced a criminal charge for promoting “fascism or Nazism” after liking a photo from the film American History X. The photo depicted the film’s lead character, a skinhead played by Edward Norton, who has a swastika tattoo on his chest... the court dropped the criminal charge"


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: qman] * 1
    #26528517 - 03/11/20 05:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Interfering in US elections for many years to come.  :awedance:



Monkey see monkey do. They learned from the best in the business


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26528588 - 03/11/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Your links show a pretty bleak picture over in Russia.  That's some oppressive shit.  That these particular cases were dismissed doesn't make the oppression any less pervasive.


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26528706 - 03/11/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Falcon, are you saying that if I find a few cases where jail time was given, it’ll change your mind about Putin’s authoritarian tendencies? Cause that would be super easy...I literally used the first 2 links google gave me lol. This shit happens very often...

Plus, even  without jail time, being arrested, held for days and tried in court for LIKING a Facebook poast is beyond ridiculous.

Can you imagine the commotion if someone got arrested for a Facebook post in the US? Wouldn’t you be among the first to decry American tyranny?


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26528913 - 03/11/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Your links show a pretty bleak picture over in Russia.  That's some oppressive shit.



You consider not getting in trouble "some oppressive shit"?
:whateveryousayfreak:

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That these particular cases were dismissed doesn't make the oppression any less pervasive.



What oppression?


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26528919 - 03/11/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You consider having charges dismissed "not getting in trouble?"  What about not having the police come after people at all for speech?  Novel concept, komrade, but some places actually have made freedom of speech work pretty well.


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Enlil]
    #26528937 - 03/11/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Just so we all know people ARE going to jail for this...

Here. 7 kids sentenced to YEARS in prison for social media poasts.
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-sentencing-set-network-sparks-social-media-outrage/30429323.html

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terms ranging from six to 18 years, lengths normally given to violent criminals.




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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: feldman114]
    #26528938 - 03/11/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1555700378

They started doing it in Crimea, apparently


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: feldman114]
    #26528946 - 03/11/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Falcon, are you saying that if I find a few cases where jail time was given, it’ll change your mind about Putin’s authoritarian tendencies?



It depends on what jail time was given for.  Incarceration rates are higher in the US than in Russia, and sentences in the US are longer.

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Cause that would be super easy...I literally used the first 2 links google gave me lol. This shit happens very often...



Sure, I'll take a look at your second attempt when I'm done with this.

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Plus, even  without jail time, being arrested, held for days and tried in court for LIKING a Facebook poast is beyond ridiculous.



Russia has some religious fanatics, but fortunately the law is above religion. 

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Can you imagine the commotion if someone got arrested for a Facebook post in the US? Wouldn’t you be among the first to decry American tyranny?



I've already talked about American tyranny:

3 Ways Facebook Is Increasingly Becoming An Arm Of The US Government


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: feldman114]
    #26528954 - 03/11/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Just so we all know people ARE going to jail for this...

Here. 7 kids sentenced to YEARS in prison for social media poasts.
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-sentencing-set-network-sparks-social-media-outrage/30429323.html

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terms ranging from six to 18 years, lengths normally given to violent criminals.






They didn't go to jail "for social media posts".  :facepalm:

According to your own article, "The judge found the men guilty of planning terrorist attacks to destabilize the country during the 2018 presidential election and the soccer World Cup"


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26528961 - 03/11/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

How is the incarceration rate of the U.S. relevant to this discussion?


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26528967 - 03/11/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Why would you quote the GOVT statement as if it’s part of the article?

All these Facebook likes and SM poasts are considered “acts of terorism”.

Let me paste that bit WITH the context necessary to understand it. You know, so not to mislead people?

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The judge found the men guilty of planning terrorist attacks to destabilize the country during the 2018 presidential election and the soccer World Cup, which Russia hosted the same year.

Authorities say they belong to a group called the Network, but the men all contend that such a group does not exist and that, although they share antifascist views, they mainly play outdoor war games together.

Human rights organizations and activists say the case was fabricated by the state to send a signal to members of society who express political views that run counter to those of the government.

Several of the convicted men said members of the Federal Security Service (FSB), the successor to the Soviet KGB, and other officers tortured them to extract a confession. The men said they were beaten and subjected to electric shock.




Also, I mean cooooome oooon. Look at them. They’re kids, not terrorists.

They were playing competitive Nerf-type shooter games and posting the videos. That’s why they got arrested - a video of them casually shit-talking Russian govt. while playing a game.


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26528969 - 03/11/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

That article says the case was fabricated.


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26528970 - 03/11/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Sure, I'd be happy to explain to you.  Russia is trying to protect itself from foreign interference.

One of the bills prohibits publication of “socially important” false information, which “endangers life and well-being of citizens,” incites mass disturbance of order, disruption of infrastructure, and so on. Minor infringements would be left unpunished.

The second bill prohibits publication of material, which “insults” the state and its symbols in an “obscene” fashion. The legislation shields the constitution, state symbols and all the branches of the state’s authority from insults.  That does NOT mean that the citizens would be penalized for speaking out against these; such criticism could still be made in “virtually any manner, except for blatantly insulting.”




So basically , Putin is trying to protect Russia from the kind of election interference you and qman say isn’t happening to us huh ?


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: feldman114]
    #26528978 - 03/11/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Look, it’s 7 “terrorists”:rofl2:


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26528991 - 03/11/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Why would you quote the GOVT statement as if it’s part of the article?



I didn't quote a GOVT statement, I quoted part of the article.

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All these Facebook likes and SM poasts are considered “acts of terorism”.



No they're not.  Planning terrorist attacks are considered acts of terrorism.

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Let me paste that bit WITH the context necessary to understand it. You know, so not to mislead people?

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The judge found the men guilty of planning terrorist attacks to destabilize the country during the 2018 presidential election and the soccer World Cup, which Russia hosted the same year.

Authorities say they belong to a group called the Network, but the men all contend that such a group does not exist and that, although they share antifascist views, they mainly play outdoor war games together.






Aw, I'm sorry.  I didn't know I'm only supposed to trust convicted terrorists.

It's like you telling me that anyone in a US prison who says they didn't do anything wrong should be released.

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I mean cooooome oooon. Look at them. They’re kids, not terrorists.

They were playing competitive Nerf-type shooter games and posting the videos. That’s why they got arrested - a video of them casually shit-talking Russian govt. while playing a game.



If you and Enlil want to believe anything bad you hear about Russia, that's up to you and Enlil, and I guess it's pointless to argue.

But just look at how many things you already posted that turned out to be fake news.


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26528995 - 03/11/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What fake news did I poast?

The instances where you said there was no jail time are still instances of people being arrested for posting on social media.

Don’t trust convicted terrorists. Trust the human rights groups who corroborated their accounts and the physicians who determined that these kids had wounds consistent with the types of torture used.


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26528997 - 03/11/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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What fake news did I poast?



You said "people received jail time for 'Likes'.  That's clearly fake news.


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Re: Putin Will Stay Supreme Leader of Russia Until 2036 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26529006 - 03/11/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Lol ok if you wanna be a stickler for terminology.

People were arrested and held in jail for FB likes. Better?


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