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Question about MAO inhibitor
    #26522389 - 03/07/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

This is a separate post than my other post because it is a different question.
I bought a brew of Ayahuasca made from Chacruna and Chaliponga. This brew didn't work for me, although I had previously used Chacruna resin from the same source and had it work very well for me. The man who I got it from said he did a ceremony with the Chacruna and Chaliponga brew and other people did fine with it, were quite happy with the effect. I decided my system must have some problem metabolizing it rather than the brew being ineffective.
The man gave me Syrian Rue. I used the Syrian Rue with the Chacruna and Chaliponga brew and got a very limited effect. More than without the Syrian Rue, but still much less of an effect than I should have. I did a higher dose of Syrian Rue and the effect was still very limited.
Does anyone know enough of the chemistry to recommend anything, or even just try to explain it? If the Syrian Rue is allowing me to metabolize the brew to a limited extent are there other MAOIs I could throw in to help to a greater extent? If nothing else someone having a viable explanation of this without recommending a solution would still help me emotionally.


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: themanicmaniac]
    #26522543 - 03/07/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Did you ever try it 30 minutes to an hour after the Rue like i had suggested? I remember you said you did it 20 minutes apart, but at least for me personally i've found 30 minutes does good, but an hour apart is seemingly better. 3 grams+ of Rue is a good dosage, which should very well inhibit MAO-A pretty fully, so if you adjust the timing between the Rue and the brew, and still find it doesn't work fully, then it'd come down to the Chacruna and Chaliponga content, but first and foremost make sure to get the MAO-A inhibition factor down right, and then focus on the DMT aspect. 20 minutes after the Rue likely isn't long enough.


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: Sabnock]
    #26522548 - 03/07/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If after all that, it may be a good idea to further reduce the brew to a more concentrated amount by boiling, so that the volume is still reasonable but the potency is increased, granted you'd have less brew, but at least you'd get a good dose, hopefully.


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: themanicmaniac] * 1
    #26522630 - 03/07/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I did around 30 minutes, yes. I am open to the possibility that 40 minutes would be better, but it seems much more significant to me that when I doubled the dose of SR it still didn't seem to enable the brew to give me it's full effect. I mean I'm getting a limited effect, but I can tell the difference. So I'd say the SR is helping but isn't the real solution to my problem.

Here's an entirely different thought, one that only just occurred to me. I am worried I am going to explain this badly but:
Months ago when I was working with the highly effective Chacruna resin, the healer who I got it from and the ayahuasca spirit itself suggested a very uncommon potentiator. I was told to eat oatmeal and honey right after dosing. I googled and didn't find this as a common ayahuasca potentiator. But I was told by the spirit that the oatmeal and honey is processed down the same chemical channel as the ayahuasca, so by eating it I was opening that chemical channel up wider and allowing my body to take in more of the medicine.
So I can say with the certainty of firsthand experience that this did work for me. The effect was noticeably increased and I used the oats and honey with most of my journeys from that point on.
Is it possible the oatmeal and honey are blocking the Chacruna and Chaliponga brew, even though it helped with my absorption of just the Chacruna brew?
Another man told me eating any sort of food slows one's body's absorption of the medicine. But I can tell the difference between slowing the effect and no effect at all. A few times I stupidly ate while on the medicine, and while it upset my stomach it did not kill the effect.


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: themanicmaniac]
    #26522817 - 03/07/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I did around 30 minutes, yes. I am open to the possibility that 40 minutes would be better, but it seems much more significant to me that when I doubled the dose of SR it still didn't seem to enable the brew to give me it's full effect. I mean I'm getting a limited effect, but I can tell the difference. So I'd say the SR is helping but isn't the real solution to my problem.

Here's an entirely different thought, one that only just occurred to me. I am worried I am going to explain this badly but:
Months ago when I was working with the highly effective Chacruna resin, the healer who I got it from and the ayahuasca spirit itself suggested a very uncommon potentiator. I was told to eat oatmeal and honey right after dosing. I googled and didn't find this as a common ayahuasca potentiator. But I was told by the spirit that the oatmeal and honey is processed down the same chemical channel as the ayahuasca, so by eating it I was opening that chemical channel up wider and allowing my body to take in more of the medicine.
So I can say with the certainty of firsthand experience that this did work for me. The effect was noticeably increased and I used the oats and honey with most of my journeys from that point on.
Is it possible the oatmeal and honey are blocking the Chacruna and Chaliponga brew, even though it helped with my absorption of just the Chacruna brew?
Another man told me eating any sort of food slows one's body's absorption of the medicine. But I can tell the difference between slowing the effect and no effect at all. A few times I stupidly ate while on the medicine, and while it upset my stomach it did not kill the effect.




Idk about oatmeal and honey, i haven't seen anything about that specifically that would orally activate DMT and it doesn't appear to inhibit MAO-A at all as far as i know. But, from first hand experience, i too have noticed and have read that if you eat something after taking the Aya it can help kick it in because it gets the digestive process moving, some have said that Aya can sometimes hang in the stomach/gut due to digestion not moving for some reason, but that eating seems to help a lot. A friend of facebook recommended crackers or bread at one point.


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: Sabnock]
    #26522903 - 03/07/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Caapi harmalas will give more potential with the added THH. Search here or online to learn more about caapi and tetrahydroharmine. You can buy the pure harmala alkaloids from caapi or rue online, which is always better than raw seeds, seed pulp, or seed powder. The effects of the MAOI alone should be pretty obvious before the DMT sets in. Try several times with just the harmalas until you know what dose you need before wasting DMT on less-than-inhibited trials. I've taken them at the same time before with success, so I wouldn't get too hung up on whether it's better to take them 20 apart, 30, 40. If you're not there after an hour, take more maoi and DMT.


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: Icon]
    #26522916 - 03/07/20 09:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Caapi harmalas will give more potential with the added THH. Search here or online to learn more about caapi and tetrahydroharmine. You can buy the pure harmala alkaloids from caapi or rue online, which is always better than raw seeds, seed pulp, or seed powder. The effects of the MAOI alone should be pretty obvious before the DMT sets in. Try several times with just the harmalas until you know what dose you need before wasting DMT on less-than-inhibited trials. I've taken them at the same time before with success, so I wouldn't get too hung up on whether it's better to take them 20 apart, 30, 40. If you're not there after an hour, take more maoi and DMT.




THH doesn't inhibit MAO-A, it's a weak SRI, it's primarily Harmine and Harmaline that orally activates DMT. It's also quite common for traditional Aya not to work properly, i see people complain about that a lot, that others get good effects but every so often someone doesn't get the effects even after a few tries, but some say it eventually picks up. Never had that issue with analog plants though.


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: Sabnock]
    #26522950 - 03/07/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

i know a big meal with syrian rue has always slowed down the inhibition quite a bit for me and weakened the potency a bit, not to the point where it's ruined, but definitely diluted it. it's best not to have more than a light snack if you take anything with the rue.

that said, taking syrian rue on an empty stomach can be pretty harsh, and i find a light snack can help keep things a bit settled, so feel free to take it with a candy bar or a fruit or something. i find soda helps to wash/mask the bitter taste down well as hide the horrible rue burps afterwards, as does coffee. i haven't tried sabnocks roasting tech, though that might help with that as well.

never tried caapi, myself, simply because it seems so horribly pricy. like... a bag of rue that you could use every day for 3 months for 30 bucks cheap, or enough caapi for the same price you can use for one dose? hmm... <_<


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: Sabnock]
    #26524143 - 03/08/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Caapi harmalas will give more potential with the added THH. Search here or online to learn more about caapi and tetrahydroharmine. You can buy the pure harmala alkaloids from caapi or rue online, which is always better than raw seeds, seed pulp, or seed powder. The effects of the MAOI alone should be pretty obvious before the DMT sets in. Try several times with just the harmalas until you know what dose you need before wasting DMT on less-than-inhibited trials. I've taken them at the same time before with success, so I wouldn't get too hung up on whether it's better to take them 20 apart, 30, 40. If you're not there after an hour, take more maoi and DMT.




THH doesn't inhibit MAO-A, it's a weak SRI, it's primarily Harmine and Harmaline that orally activates DMT. It's also quite common for traditional Aya not to work properly, i see people complain about that a lot, that others get good effects but every so often someone doesn't get the effects even after a few tries, but some say it eventually picks up. Never had that issue with analog plants though.




I didn't say THH is an MAOI. The SSRI + MAOI combo of THH + Harmine is where the extra potential is. Trial and error is almost guaranteed with any brew, traditional or analog. Using pure alkaloids gives much more consistency, I can reliably dose anyone on their first try.

As far being more expensive, Aya isn't something you do every day, so the extra $5-10 per dose with caapi is worth the extra magic to me. Why sit in the bleachers when you can get the front row seat?


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: Icon]
    #26524245 - 03/08/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Caapi harmalas will give more potential with the added THH. Search here or online to learn more about caapi and tetrahydroharmine. You can buy the pure harmala alkaloids from caapi or rue online, which is always better than raw seeds, seed pulp, or seed powder. The effects of the MAOI alone should be pretty obvious before the DMT sets in. Try several times with just the harmalas until you know what dose you need before wasting DMT on less-than-inhibited trials. I've taken them at the same time before with success, so I wouldn't get too hung up on whether it's better to take them 20 apart, 30, 40. If you're not there after an hour, take more maoi and DMT.




THH doesn't inhibit MAO-A, it's a weak SRI, it's primarily Harmine and Harmaline that orally activates DMT. It's also quite common for traditional Aya not to work properly, i see people complain about that a lot, that others get good effects but every so often someone doesn't get the effects even after a few tries, but some say it eventually picks up. Never had that issue with analog plants though.




I didn't say THH is an MAOI. The SSRI + MAOI combo of THH + Harmine is where the extra potential is. Trial and error is almost guaranteed with any brew, traditional or analog. Using pure alkaloids gives much more consistency, I can reliably dose anyone on their first try.

As far being more expensive, Aya isn't something you do every day, so the extra $5-10 per dose with caapi is worth the extra magic to me. Why sit in the bleachers when you can get the front row seat?




I haven't yet experimented with THH, and haven't consumed Caapi much, i do have some pure THH though i'm gonna try at some point, but i haven't found THH to be necessary and plenty of benefits are to be had from just Harmalas (or Rue) and DMT or Psilocin, so much so that i personally do not believe THH to be necessary or much of an important factor. Plus, with all the potential combinations there are and supplements and admixture plants, THH is merely one of a multitude of compounds that can be added. And yes, Caapi may well be worth it, but Caapi and Rue combinations are likely to be far better and more economical. As for just relying on Caapi, yeah, maybe if you only wanted to take it a few times a year, but for real work and real practice and exploration and experimentation, it's far too expensive and people would be better off using Rue to primarily inhibit MAO-A and using Caapi the rest of the way, imo. And sure, may not want to take it everyday, but once or twice a week, a few times a month, or daily if preferred, is much better than a few times a year. Rue is plenty beneficial as it is, no need for Caapi really, but it just depends on how you want your Aya to feel and there's thousands of potential/possible combinations and flavors that one can choose from, simply sticking with a basic brew is limiting imo, which is why i don't get all the hype around traditional Ayahuasca or Caapi in general, there's even different Caapi strains, which if i was gonna go for Caapi personally i'd probably go for black Caapi because i quite like Harmaline and i feel like Harmaline isn't given enough credit, plus Harmaline can be cleaned up if desired and it's more uncomfortable effects can be done away with while still maintaining it's other benefits.

All in all though, a lot of people just prefer cheaper and more potent options that's still as beneficial and gives you a lot more to work with compared to traditional options.

Also, Pharmahuasca ime pales in comparison to using full spectrum plants or even full spectrum extracts at least of the Harmala-containing plant, sure the dosage may be more reliable, but i personally have never had dosage issues with analog plants, they've always been consistent and reliable seemingly unlike traditional plants. But i embrace it all, i just think the traditional stuff and THH is overhyped.


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: Sabnock]
    #26525557 - 03/09/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That paragraph completely misses the point of the Aya experience. All I'm pointing out here is that true Ayahuasca is not the same as rue + dmt, since the plant they use has more than just the MAOI from harmalas. Sure, you can take cheap rue every day if it makes you feel better, but that's just an anti-depressant, it's not Ayahuasca.

Like I said, rue has the fundamental MAOI to get you on the plane, but you're missing the first-class experience by not including the other fundamental harmala, THH. Only one vine is called Ayahuasca for a reason, there's really not "all the potential combinations there are and supplements and admixture plants". You can call that whatever you want, but you can never say that it's the same thing. How can you even say "i personally do not believe THH to be necessary or much of an important factor" when you have not even tried it? That's a super ignorant point of view.

Anyway, anyone with a basic understanding of what an MAOI and SSRI is, should easily understand that DMT is used by the same receptors that SSRI's open up. The facts are there, so there's really no argument for you to make whether you "believe" it. It would be like saying "Yea, I heard harmine is an MAOI, but I just don't believe that MAOI's have a great effect on DMT or are an important factor in the Ayahuasca experience". THH does have noticeable effects, and undeniable synergy with an MAOI. That's why you're not supposed to mix pharmaceutical-grade SSRI's with MAOI's, because the combination is SO STRONG. You're just being a hard-ass, it's really insulting toward science and the native culture that enshrined their discovery for centuries. Credit harmaline as much as you want, but Caapi + DMT is going to be stronger than rue + DMT, every time.


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: Icon]
    #26525918 - 03/09/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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That paragraph completely misses the point of the Aya experience. All I'm pointing out here is that true Ayahuasca is not the same as rue + dmt, since the plant they use has more than just the MAOI from harmalas. Sure, you can take cheap rue every day if it makes you feel better, but that's just an anti-depressant, it's not Ayahuasca.

Like I said, rue has the fundamental MAOI to get you on the plane, but you're missing the first-class experience by not including the other fundamental harmala, THH. Only one vine is called Ayahuasca for a reason, there's really not "all the potential combinations there are and supplements and admixture plants". You can call that whatever you want, but you can never say that it's the same thing. How can you even say "i personally do not believe THH to be necessary or much of an important factor" when you have not even tried it? That's a super ignorant point of view.

Anyway, anyone with a basic understanding of what an MAOI and SSRI is, should easily understand that DMT is used by the same receptors that SSRI's open up. The facts are there, so there's really no argument for you to make whether you "believe" it. It would be like saying "Yea, I heard harmine is an MAOI, but I just don't believe that MAOI's have a great effect on DMT or are an important factor in the Ayahuasca experience". THH does have noticeable effects, and undeniable synergy with an MAOI. That's why you're not supposed to mix pharmaceutical-grade SSRI's with MAOI's, because the combination is SO STRONG. You're just being a hard-ass, it's really insulting toward science and the native culture that enshrined their discovery for centuries. Credit harmaline as much as you want, but Caapi + DMT is going to be stronger than rue + DMT, every time.




The point, that many people seem to fail to grasp, is that Rue is so much more than just MAO-A inhibition, the Harmalas and plants as a whole have other properties and characteristics that are above and beyond the MAO-A inhibition. Most people ignorantly assume Rue isn't just as capable of being Ayahuasca as Caapi is, because they generally only consume 2 to 3 grams of Rue, and they never try it regularly to build up the reverse tolerance so that the Harmala effects become stronger, thus people tend to not experience the magic that comes from Rue, which is the same magic found in Caapi. People fail to realize that in traditional Ayahuasca, they go heavy on the Caapi vine thus giving you a lot of Harmine, but people think Rue isn't capable of being Ayahuasca or having the same benefits as Caapi because they don't consume enough Harmine content in Rue because they generally use low to moderate dosages of Rue in order to avoid some of the roughness and the purgative effects that can come from higher dosages of Rue, Caapi, or Harmalas in general. Though, Harmaline is a stronger purgative compared to Harmine, ime.

"but Caapi + DMT is going to be stronger than rue + DMT, every time"

^ lmfao, yeah, think that all you want, just shows you haven't experimented with Rue enough, Rue is generally agreed upon by the traditional community to be stronger, more intense, more powerful, and rougher/more challenging compared to Caapi, and i've taken Rue near daily for 4 years, then 8 months daily straight, and taken it off and on over the last few years and recently have been taking it daily for almost 4 weeks now, i'm very experienced with Rue and know all too well how powerful it actually is, so no, if you consume a good dosage of DMT with a stiff dosage of Rue, Rue+DMT will be stronger everytime, if you think otherwise, you haven't gone deep enough hombre.

I'm not dismissing the potential of THH, i'm all for it, i just think that like CBD for example, THH is overrated and overhyped.


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: Sabnock]
    #26525924 - 03/09/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Also, depending on how weak THH's SRI properties are, it'd actually make the DMT less potent, not stronger, since not only does MAO-A inhibition itself raise Serotonin levels, but Serotonin Transporter inhibition too raises Serotonin levels, hence Serotonin would be competing with DMT for Serotonin receptor activation. And add in the fact that Serotonin Transporter inhibition forces Serotonin to stay in the synaptic cleft, which is one main reason why people don't get good effects when taking a Psychedelic while also on an SSRI. Which clearly, because THH is weaker in SRI properties, it's of course not going to affect anything near that extent, but still, more Serotonin = more competition for the active DMT dosage, even though generally MAO-A inhibition doesn't seem to be as big of an issue compared to Serotonin Transporter inhibition. THH does of course, have other properties though aside from being an SRI. Again, i'm not dismissing the potential of THH, but i know there are other aspects to all of this that a lot of people fail to comprehend because they haven't done as much experimentation and haven't gained as much experience, and draw their conclusions way too early.


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: Sabnock]
    #26525933 - 03/09/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

As i keep telling people, either take higher/heavier dosages of Rue, or take moderate to high dosages of Rue regularly for awhile, and experience the higher/heavier Harmala dosage range, witness how the effects/character changes and how the duration lengthens, and how more of the Huasca effects come out, and THEN draw your conclusions, otherwise, it's ignorant to assume things without the necessary experience to back it up. It's up there with people who think DMT is the main active component of Ayahuasca when first and foremost, it's primarily the Harmalas that make up the Ayahuasca experience and overall medicine, the DMT is secondary to the Harmalas, though without the DMT, there really is no experience even though you can still gain some of Aya's teachings and benefits without the DMT


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: Sabnock]
    #26525942 - 03/09/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

And yes, there are a plethora of various plants, supplements, and oils that can be used with Ayahuasca (Caapi or Rue, or even Harmala extract), as admixtures, with or without the DMT. In fact that's what a lot of shamans in South America do, sometimes they don't even include DMT in the brew, they combine Caapi with other plants that don't contain DMT. Some people can have 2 plants, 3 plants, 5 plants, 10 plants, i've read even up to like 100 or more plants in one concoction, but that's generally for more skilled and serious practitioners, whereas the brew most people get these days is just the basic combination of Caapi and Chacruna or Chaliponga.

I would advise caution against challenging and being arrogant towards those who are more experienced in these matters than you are, which isn't to dismiss what you may know or have experienced personally, just that, somebody somewhere knows way more about something than we do.

Btw, i'm on a stiff dosage of Rue currently. Been taking 3 grams once a day for almost 4 weeks now, the Harmala reverse tolerance is pretty strong and the duration has stretched out to 10 hours or so, compared to the usual 6 hours of a moderate dosage, and with the reverse tolerance comes a cleaning up of the side-effect profile so reduced bodyload, there's been no nausea or vomiting (i've roasted my Rue seeds prior to grinding them and also take probiotics, so maybe that's why) even though the nausea/vomiting goes away anyways with the reverse tolerance, and it's pretty dang functional for the most part. So yeah, trust me when i say, i know Rue very well and know for a fact from personal experience that it can provide the same benefits for the most part, that Caapi does, the Ayahuasca "spirit" shines though with the Rue, make no mistake my friend.


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Re: Question about MAO inhibitor [Re: Sabnock]
    #26526306 - 03/09/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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i've taken Rue near daily for 4 years, then 8 months daily straight, and taken it off and on over the last few years and recently have been taking it daily for almost 4 weeks now



Doesn't sound biased at all. And to confirm your experience I have to take rue daily? No thanks. I understand the reverse-tolerance of taking rima's regularly, but that's not anything unique to rue. You need to open your mind to accepting that Caapi is more than just a RIMA. Not only would you have the same build up of effects with Caapi, but you would have the added bonus of THH. You can try it just once to see for yourself, shouldn't take much effort since you dose harmalas daily already. I see you trying hard to come up with anything to refute the facts but I don't see any real science there so idk how else to respond.

Being on an MAOI or SSRI can make many substances feel different, so I guess there's a pretty wide variety of plants that could be added to enhance the experience. I last took Aya on adderall which was interesting, but I wouldn't recommend it or call it an Ayahuasca recipe.

In the context of DMT-Aya, the only molecules I've seen evidence of enhancing the experience and creating synergy are MAOI's and SSRI's. Both are in the Caapi plant so that seems pretty obvious. Rue only has an MAOI, so sorry, it loses to Caapi. If you can put a name on another molecule in "raw, full-spectrum" rue that has any synergy with the rest of the experience, I'd be interested to hear about these mystery bonuses.


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    #26526360 - 03/09/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Probably shouldn’t mix Adderall with these things..


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    #26526640 - 03/10/20 05:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Sabnock said:I haven't yet experimented with THH, and haven't consumed Caapi much. . .
i've taken Rue near daily for 4 years, then 8 months daily straight, and taken it off and on over the last few years and recently have been taking it daily for almost 4 weeks now



Doesn't sound biased at all. And to confirm your experience I have to take rue daily? No thanks. I understand the reverse-tolerance of taking rima's regularly, but that's not anything unique to rue. You need to open your mind to accepting that Caapi is more than just a RIMA. Not only would you have the same build up of effects with Caapi, but you would have the added bonus of THH. You can try it just once to see for yourself, shouldn't take much effort since you dose harmalas daily already. I see you trying hard to come up with anything to refute the facts but I don't see any real science there so idk how else to respond.

Being on an MAOI or SSRI can make many substances feel different, so I guess there's a pretty wide variety of plants that could be added to enhance the experience. I last took Aya on adderall which was interesting, but I wouldn't recommend it or call it an Ayahuasca recipe.

In the context of DMT-Aya, the only molecules I've seen evidence of enhancing the experience and creating synergy are MAOI's and SSRI's. Both are in the Caapi plant so that seems pretty obvious. Rue only has an MAOI, so sorry, it loses to Caapi. If you can put a name on another molecule in "raw, full-spectrum" rue that has any synergy with the rest of the experience, I'd be interested to hear about these mystery bonuses.




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Icon you little flaming faggot-girl, what are you doing nowadays?
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Happinessfeeling said:
Icon you little flaming faggot-girl, what are you doing nowadays?
it's funny insulting people while I'm being ignored, since they won't see it.
Icon sucks dick for crack, blows his father and takes it up the ass from his older brother.
You sick pig, fuck you faggot.



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Icon is a little bitch, bitch boy faggot.
Since you're ignoring me I can insult you all I want and you won't even notice.
What a dickhead.



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Happinessfeeling said:
Icon you faggot.
I think it's funny that you are ignoring me, so you won't see me calling you a faggot.
Bitch.





Now he can read it. :lol:

Stop beeing a d*ckhead yourself. You just posted sensless insults like this several times in many threads, everybody can read it. The mods also.
You simply spam threads and openly show how immature you are. That's not only against the rules, but honestly also pretty silly.

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