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First grow, first trip, no effect 1
#26525635 - 03/09/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hello everyone !
So I have been trying to grow mushrooms for some time, this morning after I woke up I noticed that my mushrooms had doubled in size ! I was in a great mood and figured that would be the perfect time for me to take my first trip, so called sick at work and put some music on.
Well, well, I ate 22 gr of fresh golden teachers, nothing happened, I mean absolutely no effect what so ever.
I picked the 2 biggest mushrooms I have, weighted them, 22 gr fresh, which should be between 1.5 to 2 gr of equivalent dried mushrooms. I figured I could make a smoothie, drink half of it at first and eventually drink the second half later depending how it went. I've never taken any psychedelics or anything else before, I didn't know what to expect beside everything I've read about it so wanted to go easy and aimed at 1 gr max at first.
The smoothie was pretty small, 2 mushrooms, half a banana and half an apple, a good amount of honey and water to make it easy to drink. I did not eat anything at all prior to that, drank water but that was it.
So I drank half of the smoothie, hoping for the effects to kick in relatively fast, but after an hour, nothing, drank the other half but still nothing at all but disappointment.
I don't understand what went wrong, is it the mushroom, is it the grow, is it the way I ate them ?
Now I have 3 other cakes with small mushrooms that will grow soon, and I don't know what to expect nor what to do with them.
Are my cakes and mushrooms any good ? Is there something wrong with the mushrooms that I grown ? Should I try again in a couple of days with the other mushrooms I've grown when they're bigger ? I've ordered my syringe from what I assume is a reputable online seller. They shipped me 2 syringes, should I use the second one for another grow or is it bad like the first one I used ?
Cake I took the 2 mushrooms from :

2 mushrooms I ate in a smoothie :

I am really, I mean really, bummed out right now. I thought I would have a great day but it turned out pretty meh. Any advice from you would be welcome, I've planned that for almost 5 months now and I really hope I won't have to wait 2 or 3 more months to order another syringe and start a new grow to finally feel what mushrooms can offer me. I'm so confused, thank you for you help all !
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: mattsh] 1
#26525695 - 03/09/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Happened to me my 1st real grow too. Genetics of multiple spore
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: Hobbit GDF] 1
#26525734 - 03/09/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Firstly, are you on any medications like SSRI's? These can affect your capacity to trip at times.
Secondly, tolerance with mushrooms builds very quickly. By the time you'd ingested the second half of your smoothie you would have already developed a tolerance from the first half which would have reduced any extra effect.
Next time try taking them all at once.
And you won't have to wait months for spore syringes. You have fresh mushrooms, which means you have both spores and material to make clones. At the very least you can look up some good spore printing teks here and take your own prints to use next time.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: Ignorantape] 1
#26525750 - 03/09/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Eat the whole dose at once next time.
And.... try a different scale, just for grins. That thing looks jank.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26525784 - 03/09/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for your replies guys.
Hobbit GDF, what do you mean by "Genetics of multiple spore" ? What did you do with your first grow ? Did you have a trip with it or did you start another one ?
Ignorantape, no I am not on any medication and never did any drugs, beside long lasting social anxiety I am pretty healthy and exercise regularly.
So it may be coming from the way I drank the smoothie in 2 steps ? But even with half of it I should have had effect no ?
I will look into clones, but if there is something wrong with the mushrooms, won't cloning them will just clone a mushroom that did not have any effect ?
Shr00mEater, yes the scale looks jank, but I just double checked there was definitely more than 20 gr with these 2 mushrooms. I will definitely try to get another one.
Ok so next time I will take everything at once, is the smoothie method ok or should I go another way ?
And should I keep working with the cakes I have for my next try ? Should I use the other syringe for a completely new grow assuming it's the same thing that I just used ? Or should I buy another syringe from another seller and restart all over ?
-------------------- Matt
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: mattsh]
#26525922 - 03/09/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You should look into agar and use the same syringe. Genetics of Multi Spore are a dice roll. With agar you are able to reduce the variety a bit, you also get a good look at it before you put it in jars. Once you get something you like, clone a piece of center tissue from a nice specimen to agar.
And most important, don’t give up on this grow just yet, each cake, and even each mushroom can vary a bit... meaning next cake you eat 22g fresh from might do the trick.
Make sure you chop them up small too. I prefer tea, it seems to hit faster, like within 45mins you will have a firm idea of wether you are tripping or not. It might serve you best to postpone tripping until after harvesting and drying everything. Then, Grind to powder and mix the whole grow together. This will allow for more consistent dosing. Better experimental control. Then, simply start with 2.5g and go up a half gram or so once every couple weeks until you find the right amount. I have grown weak shrooms before, where 6g felt like barely 2g
Research agar while waiting.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: Shr00mEater] 1
#26526005 - 03/09/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree that its either genetics or the way you dosed
Everytime I give someone new shrooms I tell them take it all at once and can usually tell when they take it slow or bit by bit.. or try two days in a row and waste most of it haha.. tolerance is a bitch
If u have a few more fruits coming up I'd definitely consider taking a print or two to save the trouble of buying more spores
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: Mr Solo Dolo]
#26526108 - 03/09/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have looked into agar and found it very complicated, I went with syringe and cakes because it's the easy way for beginner. I wanted to try to get prints from the mushrooms I have grown but to be honest I want to keep all of that for later, I am more interested in my first trip for now, then work on that after.
Tomorrow or in two days if I have nice fully grown mushrooms I will try 25g of fresh, I am honestly concerned doing anything more than that because I am by myself.
If I eat them fresh I should chop them up, ok but is the smoothie method alright ? Is it bad to blend them ? Because it makes it way easier to eat them.
I have not planned on drying them, are they more potent if they are dried ? What's the upside beside the consistent dosing and storage ?
Is one or two day a long enough wait before trying again or should I wait longer ?
What is more likely, problem with the mushrooms or problem with the way I took them ?
-------------------- Matt
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: mattsh]
#26526192 - 03/09/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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u have more cakes, that means u will get more mushrooms. try 30 g wet at once, this should really at least give u any effects, even if ur mushroom genetics didnt give the babys a lot of psilocybin....
u can do pre poured agar in small jars, its not complicated... only need 3 ingredients: water, agar agar and malt extract or some other nutrient. try it! i was thinking its complicated for a long time too, but its really funny and more scientific with agar!
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: judenfisch]
#26526202 - 03/09/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It really is not that tough. It's simple and addictive. If you want to trip then put some work into having a grate trip ya know. Why grow schwag when you can grow dank. Its worth the effort. It's like making jello or something.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: Hobbit GDF] 1
#26526244 - 03/09/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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And it should be fine in a smoothie.. potency isn't affected if dried properly.. drying them is just good for storage.. I'd say wait maybe 4-5 days.. a week if u really want to be sure
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: Mr Solo Dolo]
#26526325 - 03/09/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why grow schwag when you can grow dank ? Lol that's a good one you're right ! It's maybe like learning to drive on a corolla so I can enjoy the GTR better later !
I'll wait a 3 to 4 days then try again, probably 25-30g fresh max, or 2g dried depending on how they grow, fingers crossed.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: mattsh]
#26526480 - 03/10/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If u want the most out of fresh, make a tea or smoothie. Increase your dose by at least one medium-large shroom
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: mattsh]
#26527357 - 03/10/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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There’s loads of things here, mattsh, that could have worked against you.......
It’s generally accepted that fresh mushrooms are 90% water. So 22g wet would equate to 2.2g dry. HOWEVER, on a consistent basis, my mushrooms work out at 93% water. And that is with Golden Teachers. So that 22g wet becomes 1.54g dry.
Now you have split that into 2 doses, 0.77g dry each (barely more than a micro dose!). Dosing again an hour after the first dose will NOT make the trip stronger, it will simply extend the duration of the dose you took initially.
So we’ve now established that you have taken a dose equivalent to 0.77g dry Golden Teacher.
Now people will disagree with me here, but in my personal experience, milk lines my stomach and slows down absorption of the psychoactives; this can pan out as a slow come up, a weak trip, or both.
Additionally the guys have mentioned multi-spore; basically the potency of the mushrooms in your grow is random, so you may also have just been unlucky in that you selected 2 weak mushrooms (though I don’t believe that’s the case here).
I also note from the photos that the veils have broken; so even though you think you have large mushrooms, as soon as the veil opens (the bit under the cap that then allows spores to drop), the mushrooms STOP producing the psychoactive chemicals, and concentrate their energies on spore production. So by letting the mushrooms grow after the veil breaks, in relative terms, is making those mushrooms weaker weight for weight.
So even though the scales said 22g, the potent part is actually (much) less than 22g. Multiply that by 0.07, divide by two, factor in multi-spore, and hey presto.....crappy trip, no trip.
I’d suggest you pick the rest of the mushrooms now while the caps are still ball-like and befor the veil breaks, wait a few days until the weekend, then make a tea out of another 22g wet. And drink it all at once. You will then experience at least some of the psychedlic headspace.
I’ve never taken a dose that low, so maybe some of the guys on here can advise you what to expect if you do indeed take a “proper” 1.5g dry dose.
Best of luck, and please report back in a few days on whether you were successful.
Last bit of advice; do not despair, Nd do not give up, as there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the mushrooms you have grown.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: mattsh] 1
#26527385 - 03/10/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Definitely up the dose, by at least half. You've established that either (a) the potency is low or (b) your natural tolerance is high. Although waiting an hour between halves isn't ideal you still should have been feeling something if everything was normal.
You need to work both those factors out but you WILL get there eventually.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26530627 - 03/12/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alright take two
To get straight to the point, nothing again.
Off work, mood was not great but I had a handful of dry mushrooms I really wanted to try.
So basically I took more than the previous dose put it in a smoothie and drank everything in one shot. That was on an empty stomach, after waking up. I took 5 mushrooms I harvested yesterday right after they broke their veil and 3 older one that broke their veil 3 days ago, roughly 30grams fresh that I dried. I thought about taking it in a tea but I just couldn't, that smoothie almost made me puke and there was no way I could drink that in a tea without cutting it with some fruits.
Put good music on and let the things happen.
Nothing. That was 2 hours ago.
Now I'm out of mushrooms and got stupid empty cakes.
All that was a shitload of disappointment.
I'm heading back to laying on the floor blasting Pink Floyd.
-------------------- Matt
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: mattsh] 1
#26530746 - 03/12/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damn, that's disappointing.
Some people just need higher doses than others.
Fresh mushrooms are tricky to measure. Some are 90% water, others 95% or more..
Best is to dry them completly cracker dry so that they snap appart when trying to bend them. Then weigh out 3g or so.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: Pandemoon]
#26530821 - 03/12/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wish I could tell that there was some kind of effect, better mood maybe, but that could simply be attributed to anticipation or music. I know music improves my mood drastically.
At this point it can't be an issue of dried vs fresh, the only thing I can understand is that it's because of mushroom itself, probably not dosing or method of ingestion. I don't know.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: mattsh]
#26531086 - 03/12/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mattsh said: Alright take two
To get straight to the point, nothing again.
Off work, mood was not great but I had a handful of dry mushrooms I really wanted to try.
So basically I took more than the previous dose put it in a smoothie and drank everything in one shot. That was on an empty stomach, after waking up. I took 5 mushrooms I harvested yesterday right after they broke their veil and 3 older one that broke their veil 3 days ago, roughly 30grams fresh that I dried. I thought about taking it in a tea but I just couldn't, that smoothie almost made me puke and there was no way I could drink that in a tea without cutting it with some fruits.
Put good music on and let the things happen.
Nothing. That was 2 hours ago.
Now I'm out of mushrooms and got stupid empty cakes.
All that was a shitload of disappointment.
I'm heading back to laying on the floor blasting Pink Floyd.
You want to strain the spent shrooms out of the tea. It's just pointless to consume them.
Could be your natural tolerance, could be your grow. Seeing how most people don't have high tolerance, it's probably genetics of the grow. Sorry.
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Re: First grow, first trip, no effect [Re: Pandemoon]
#26531185 - 03/12/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: Fresh mushrooms are tricky to measure. Some are 90% water, others 95% or more.. -
Understated but very important point. Everyone just assumes 90%, but that variation (90-95) means a significant difference in the required dosage.
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