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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: Inocuole]
#26526570 - 03/10/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I apologise, what I mean is that I would look at your grain prep vs spreading the idea that one grain has a higher bacterial rate after running through a proper PC cycle. You know what your doing, you have been growing for years. I just hate to see the new Cultivators start picking up the inferred idea that oats are worse than xYZ grain because they have a higher tendency to have "endospore" after the proper Sterilization cycle, because they don't.
Oats tend to expand, they can become more difficult to shake. I don't like the smell.Those are all great reasons to look for another grain,but they don't produce bacteria after they run through the PC. Let's not propagate this idea because there are no facts to support this.
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: Sockadin]
#26526786 - 03/10/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oats are only as popular of a thing because they are the list of beginner teks. Thats where I started too. You have a ton of people here saying they don't like using them because of bacterial issues. It might be prep or inexperience for some, but look to commercial spawn producers or big mushrooms farms. You will see a lot of rye, millet, and wheat. I've never seen oats anywhere else but on the shroomery.
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: rickyswamps]
#26526803 - 03/10/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would use straight Millet but everywhere I look they wanna charge way too much money for it so wbu is the go to
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: Sockadin]
#26526977 - 03/10/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: I apologise, what I mean is that I would look at your grain prep vs spreading the idea that one grain has a higher bacterial rate after running through a proper PC cycle. You know what your doing, you have been growing for years. I just hate to see the new Cultivators start picking up the inferred idea that oats are worse than xYZ grain because they have a higher tendency to have "endospore" after the proper Sterilization cycle, because they don't.
Oats tend to expand, they can become more difficult to shake. I don't like the smell.Those are all great reasons to look for another grain,but they don't produce bacteria after they run through the PC. Let's not propagate this idea because there are no facts to support this.
Except that oats do inherently have higher bacterial endospore counts because of the intact hull. The hull traps water, insulates the germ, and houses more bacteria than grains without a hull. In the gen discussion thread I posted many links to peer reviewed articles discussing microbiological impurity of hull intact grains like oats.
Why start with a grain that has all sorts of reasons that make it inferior when you can start with a grain that doesn't 
Fuck oats
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: natedawgnow] 2
#26527046 - 03/10/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok. Still doesn't have a higher endospore count after your PC cycle.
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: Sockadin]
#26527063 - 03/10/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not necessarily true at all. We sterilize to ~99.99% since sterilization is technically defined by a limit, meaning you never truly reach 100% sterile. If you have 10,000,000 spores and .01% live you still have 100,000 spores that could possibly germ.
The more spores your grain starts with, the more spores that survive sterilization.
Now that doesn't mean they are guaranteed to germ, and in fact may have been damaged enough not to germ, but why take the chance when there are grains that are just as cheap and work better without a finicky prep?
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26527148 - 03/10/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Availability is the most current issue I am noticing. Cant find wheat berries with the same cost benefit. Just bought a 15Lbs bag of Black Oil Sunflower seeds. I will see how they play out tomorrow. I'm thinking LI for these guys because of the grain size.
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: Sockadin]
#26527247 - 03/10/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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By all means use what you can get, I just think noobs should use grains that are easier to prep, easier to spot contams, and just generally more user friendly.
Interested to see how the safflower works out for you. Do you have any pics of it working?
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26527431 - 03/10/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The above picture is pre PC run. I will post a colonizing in progress picture tonight.
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: Sockadin] 1
#26527618 - 03/10/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Grains are like cartridges. 9mm .380 357sig .40s&w .45acp 10mm They all work. Some people talk about noc points Some people talk about endospores Some people talk about cleanliness Whatever you end up liking you'll like
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26527709 - 03/10/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I like wheat these days, rinse 16 cups in a 5 gallon bucket drain and add boiling water, put the lid on drain an hour later and dump more boiling water in for ten minutes and steam dry, load 10 qts and pc
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26527722 - 03/10/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Not necessarily true at all. We sterilize to ~99.99% since sterilization is technically defined by a limit, meaning you never truly reach 100% sterile. If you have 10,000,000 spores and .01% live you still have 100,000 spores that could possibly germ.
The more spores your grain starts with, the more spores that survive sterilization.
Now that doesn't mean they are guaranteed to germ, and in fact may have been damaged enough not to germ, but why take the chance when there are grains that are just as cheap and work better without a finicky prep?
This though. I haven't been around enough the last few years to properly defend my talking points anymore, I'll be back in the swing of things soon.
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: Inocuole]
#26527729 - 03/10/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I get milo locally for 12$ for 50lb and oats for 20$ for 50lb. I use milo for my master bags and transfer to oats. The milo I get locally is super clean, way cleaner then oats. One rinse (sometimes none). I would use milo exclusively but they only get it in every few months and generally only a pallet so when I can’t stock up on it I g2g it to oats. I can have a 5lb oat bag fully colonized in 5 days with milo, it takes 7-12 days with oats2oats. Clean,cheap,tons of inoculation points. PURE MILO FTW!
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: Sockadin]
#26527775 - 03/10/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sockadin said:

The above picture is pre PC run. I will post a colonizing in progress picture tonight.
Any pic of it with myc? So it's your favorite but you havent grown on it yet?
Only curious cause I've always heard safflower and sunflower seeds are too oily to be good spawn but that's just hearsay. Interested to see how it works for ya.
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Ifkilbadluck said: I get milo locally for 12$ for 50lb and oats for 20$ for 50lb. I use milo for my master bags and transfer to oats. The milo I get locally is super clean, way cleaner then oats. One rinse (sometimes none). I would use milo exclusively but they only get it in every few months and generally only a pallet so when I can’t stock up on it I g2g it to oats. I can have a 5lb oat bag fully colonized in 5 days with milo, it takes 7-12 days with oats2oats. Clean,cheap,tons of inoculation points. PURE MILO FTW!
Milo would be good. I don't give two shits about inoculation points but milo is a damn fine grain.
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: Inocuole]
#26527796 - 03/10/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Isn’t millet and milo very similar?
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: Smoothcat]
#26527809 - 03/10/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Somewhat, Milo is a little bigger and doesn't fall through strainers. Tougher, too, it seems, millet ends up crushed a lot, I feel like.
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: Smoothcat]
#26527837 - 03/10/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Smoothcat said: Isn’t millet and milo very similar?
Millet is the tiny grain in wbs that gets stuck in inocs toes and shit. Milo aka sorghum is the bigger one in the pic.
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: mushboy]
#26527841 - 03/10/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Y'all projecting, I never said shit about it stuck in my toes.
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Re: Cleanest Grains in 2020? [Re: Inocuole]
#26527856 - 03/10/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nothing beats the smell of cooked millet in the morning,
When this sack runs out I’m gonna try and find me some milo to cook
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