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Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas'
    #26521673 - 03/07/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

27-year-old Ukrainian chess champion and his girlfriend, 18, have been found dead in their Moscow flat, apparently poisoned by laughing gas.

Media reports say Stanislav Bogdanovich and Alexandra Vernigora - also a top chess player - were found with balloons containing the gas, nitrous oxide. The gas is inhaled using a balloon.

Russian investigators reported the deaths, without naming the pair, and said there were no signs of foul play.

Bogdanovich was a speed chess champion.

Vernigora was also a professional chess player and was studying at Moscow State University.

The Ukrainian sports website sport.ua says Bogdanovich was a grandmaster from Odessa who won the Ukrainian Under-18 championship and various chess awards at international tournaments.

Russian chess website chess-news.ru says that in 2015 he was rated eighth in the world for speed (blitz) chess.


Media captionExplained: What is nitrous oxide - or 'nos'?
Reports say Bogdanovich drew much criticism recently for representing Russia in an internet chess match against Ukraine, which he won.

Sport.ua quotes a Facebook post from him (in Russian) about that, in which he argued that playing for Russia was good for business, that he was living as a guest in Russia and being treated well, and this was his small contribution to ending the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

Nitrous oxide was first used as an anaesthetic in 1844, but is now being used as a recreational drug and has been linked to a number of deaths. It can also cause breathing difficulties, dangerously increased heart rate and burns.

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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26521675 - 03/07/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I am really shocked by this one, I just don't see 2 people dying from nitrous in this fashion. Maybe dual suicide via helium?


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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26521681 - 03/07/20 05:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The chances of a person dying from whip-its are pretty god damn low. The chances of two at the same time? Somethin more to this story maybe


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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26521685 - 03/07/20 06:00 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

No maybe about it...it'd be almost impossible to die from n02 with balloons without another drug involved. And as you said, for two people at once? No way.

I imagine they were using the n02 as a booster and fucking around with some RC...even then for them both to die, something went wrong such as miscalculated dosages or misidentified drugs.

Unless they had a giant tank of it and left the valve open in a relatively airtight room as they fell asleep..even then I don't know enough about kinetic theory or the affects of n02 in the atmosphere to be sure thats even a possibility.


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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26521719 - 03/07/20 06:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The son of one of the surgeons I used to work with accidentally died of NOS.  He used a mask hooked up to a tank.  Died of asphyxia because there was no oxygen entering the mask, just NOS.  I wonder what apparatus they were using with the balloons?

If that's not the case (apparatus---> asphyxia) then yeah, there was something else responsible, like an RC, as has bee suggested.


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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Nature Boy]
    #26521812 - 03/07/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Balloons are the apparatus, which is why I took note to say "with balloons". If you are a dumbass and go straight n02 with a masked strapped onto your face(fucking stupid) then you can die form n02 alone...but as you stated the only way to die with it is through asphyxia, and you have to be monumentally stupid for that to happen.


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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26521902 - 03/07/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

people in here saying you can't die from nitrous are pretty stupid... its very possible and who knows what size room they were in and if they had the tank just going or something like some people get a bright idea to do... then there is no oxygen and you die... its happened before.

also breathing back into the balloon is terrible but i see it really hard to actually die that way unless you fish out and hit your head or something... but I'm guessing they opened the valve on the tank and left it going.

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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: SnowDaze] * 1
    #26522078 - 03/07/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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people in here saying you can't die from nitrous are pretty stupid... its very possible and who knows what size room they were in and if they had the tank just going or something like some people get a bright idea to do... then there is no oxygen and you die... its happened before.

also breathing back into the balloon is terrible but i see it really hard to actually die that way unless you fish out and hit your head or something... but I'm guessing they opened the valve on the tank and left it going.

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Even if they left a tank open there would still be oxygen in the room. The only way to die from nitrous oxide is asphyxiation with a mask, and that didnt happen here. I think it was an unknown drug or a mix up with nitric oxide instead of nitrous


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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: sk8fast]
    #26522146 - 03/07/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

From the sun
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Balloons containing nitrous oxide, also known as laughing gas or “hippy crack” were also at the scene.

“They died from laughing gas,” reported TASS, citing first information from the scene.


“Both had plastic bags on their heads.”

Russian investigators have said that there are no indications of foul play, but detailed checks are underway.




Sounds like murder or suicide covered up as rec no2 abuse... idk was apparently a kerfufal over the guy playing for russia recently, maybe the ukraines decided to off them in retrobution ?

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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26522196 - 03/07/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah it is like whippits and fent and heroin.  God, who is dumb enough to die of it.  AND NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY...If one dies from laughing gas, sure their was more in their system, you deserve it.  Fuck of SJWS and M's.

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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26522228 - 03/07/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Sugabearcrisp said:
From the sun
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Balloons containing nitrous oxide, also known as laughing gas or “hippy crack” were also at the scene.

“They died from laughing gas,” reported TASS, citing first information from the scene.


“Both had plastic bags on their heads.”

Russian investigators have said that there are no indications of foul play, but detailed checks are underway.




Sounds like murder or suicide covered up as rec no2 abuse... idk was apparently a kerfufal over the guy playing for russia recently, maybe the ukraines decided to off them in retrobution ?

Obvs conjecture on my part






If they were found with bags on their heads, then yea I'd suspect suicide (or murder/foul play). Suicide is the first thing that comes to my mind when hearing they had bags on their heads, but there could be more to the story/foul play. (truth be told, if I were to ever take my self out of "the game", that's the way I'll do it, asphyxiation with nitrous oxide...I've spent some time thinking about it over the years lol)

Nitrous oxide has a long history of use in medicine, it's known to be a pretty safe and relatively "soft" drug...As long as one has oxygen in their system, I imagine people can suck down huge amounts of the gas with out any lethal consequences. (tho b-vitamin depletion and peripheral neuropathy is a risk with heavy/frequent use/abuse).

Very strange for a person to die from this drug, even stranger that two people did at the same time...Either suicide, or something fishy is going on.



For those of you that are savvy at searching and digging through the internet...I'm curious if there are any deaths from nitrous oxide that does not involve asphyxiation/suffocation. Like has anyone in history ever croaked and died just because they inhaled some nitrous oxide? And if so, I'm curious what the mechanism/direct cause was?.....I feel it's not likely, the only other thing I can think of is maybe a few people have had a heart attack from inhaling nitrous while on other drugs? (but even then, nitrous doesn't feel like it has much of any impact on the heart/cardiovascular system..?..).

I feel like the only way one can die from nitrous oxide isn't actually a direct result of the drug itself, but from asphyxiation (which can happen with any gas)....I'm super curious if there are deaths on record from nitrous that doesn't involve asphyxiation.



(I've had a decent amount of experience with nitrous over the past decade or so, mostly combined with LSD or Mushrooms or MDMA, it's always felt like a soft/safe drug to me and from what I understand about the basics of its mechanism of action and pharmacokinetics, it seems pretty safe/soft)





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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26522237 - 03/07/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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From the sun
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Balloons containing nitrous oxide, also known as laughing gas or “hippy crack” were also at the scene.

“They died from laughing gas,” reported TASS, citing first information from the scene.


“Both had plastic bags on their heads.”

Russian investigators have said that there are no indications of foul play, but detailed checks are underway.




Sounds like murder or suicide covered up as rec no2 abuse... idk was apparently a kerfufal over the guy playing for russia recently, maybe the ukraines decided to off them in retrobution ?

Obvs conjecture on my part




Yeah that is shady as hell. 27 year old chess master but he's stupid enough to put a bag over his head while doing nitrous?

People do stupid shit sometimes but this seems highly unlikely without other drugs involved, maybe they were super drunk or something as well.


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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: openmind]
    #26522244 - 03/07/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Weird story, but besides that the term NOS is a misnomer since it refers to a company  called nitrous oxide systems that makes nitrous kits for cars.


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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: sk8fast]
    #26522352 - 03/07/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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people in here saying you can't die from nitrous are pretty stupid... its very possible and who knows what size room they were in and if they had the tank just going or something like some people get a bright idea to do... then there is no oxygen and you die... its happened before.

also breathing back into the balloon is terrible but i see it really hard to actually die that way unless you fish out and hit your head or something... but I'm guessing they opened the valve on the tank and left it going.

woke up dead

I huff down a 20Lb a month, safe use is fine



Even if they left a tank open there would still be oxygen in the room. The only way to die from nitrous oxide is asphyxiation with a mask, and that didnt happen here. I think it was an unknown drug or a mix up with nitric oxide instead of nitrous



Nitrous oxide is heavier than regular air. If you fill a room with it and are low enough to the ground with no ventilation, the nitrous is not going anywhere and you'll be too out of it to get at any oxygen which is above your head. It's incorrect to say that it's only possible to die from it with a mask.

I'd say they probably had a relatively air tight room with no windows open, and the tank was probably just going or they were going at it for a few hours. Long enough to asphyxiate prior to the air dissipating.


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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26522399 - 03/07/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)



Shit wrong video.  1000 ways to die where two people go into a circus sized tent and die.  End.  Couldn't find their way out from the helium and not on youtube so just use your imagination.

Thought this was funny in my search.  Time to piss,  we all have bladders.  Sorry, listinging to a comedy show.  Equal rights joke.


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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: openmind] * 1
    #26523108 - 03/07/20 11:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Sugabearcrisp said:
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Balloons containing nitrous oxide, also known as laughing gas or “hippy crack” were also at the scene.

“They died from laughing gas,” reported TASS, citing first information from the scene.


“Both had plastic bags on their heads.”

Russian investigators have said that there are no indications of foul play, but detailed checks are underway.




Sounds like murder or suicide covered up as rec no2 abuse... idk was apparently a kerfufal over the guy playing for russia recently, maybe the ukraines decided to off them in retrobution ?

Obvs conjecture on my part






If they were found with bags on their heads, then yea I'd suspect suicide (or murder/foul play). Suicide is the first thing that comes to my mind when hearing they had bags on their heads, but there could be more to the story/foul play. (truth be told, if I were to ever take my self out of "the game", that's the way I'll do it, asphyxiation with nitrous oxide...I've spent some time thinking about it over the years lol)

Nitrous oxide has a long history of use in medicine, it's known to be a pretty safe and relatively "soft" drug...As long as one has oxygen in their system, I imagine people can suck down huge amounts of the gas with out any lethal consequences. (tho b-vitamin depletion and peripheral neuropathy is a risk with heavy/frequent use/abuse).

Very strange for a person to die from this drug, even stranger that two people did at the same time...Either suicide, or something fishy is going on.



For those of you that are savvy at searching and digging through the internet...I'm curious if there are any deaths from nitrous oxide that does not involve asphyxiation/suffocation. Like has anyone in history ever croaked and died just because they inhaled some nitrous oxide? And if so, I'm curious what the mechanism/direct cause was?.....I feel it's not likely, the only other thing I can think of is maybe a few people have had a heart attack from inhaling nitrous while on other drugs? (but even then, nitrous doesn't feel like it has much of any impact on the heart/cardiovascular system..?..).

I feel like the only way one can die from nitrous oxide isn't actually a direct result of the drug itself, but from asphyxiation (which can happen with any gas)....I'm super curious if there are deaths on record from nitrous that doesn't involve asphyxiation.



(I've had a decent amount of experience with nitrous over the past decade or so, mostly combined with LSD or Mushrooms or MDMA, it's always felt like a soft/safe drug to me and from what I understand about the basics of its mechanism of action and pharmacokinetics, it seems pretty safe/soft)





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Exactly, openmind understands the pharmacology. Ive taken multiple pharmacology classes and I work as a pharmaceutical technician, nitrous oxide isn't going to kill you unless you have no oxygen to breath for over a few minutes. A Russian couple probably isnt going to spend the money to get an apartment completely airtight and turn on a tank to replace all the oxygen with nitrous oxide when they could just tie a bag on their head and fill it with nitrous. I cant believe people are saying a leaking nitrous tank in a room will kill you, that has never happened


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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: sk8fast]
    #26523303 - 03/08/20 03:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Fractal420]
    #26523353 - 03/08/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26523369 - 03/08/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

As in, he died from a nitrous incident (yes it’s fiction, a joke)

It can happen. But both of them? Does seem pretty nuts.

I mean there’s also nitrous infused with industrial chems like for cars. I’m not sure if they were using food or medical grade or maybe lower grade and didn’t even know it

I can’t imagine proper nitrous use killing two people, it wouldn’t happen with legit supplies and using it the right way. Maybe Russian nitrous isn’t as clearly labeled.

I’ve seen and myself experienced many balloons while rolling, tripping, while sober (def the most dissociating IMO but that was like 3 chargers ar a time)

And yes, the term NOS is dangerous as teens prolly don’t even know that car nitrous is not pure. I mean shit people drink bottles of robitussin with guafinisin or worse APAP in it, huge doses, just because they don’t check the back at all. “It’s robitussin, and it says DM so must be the stuff”


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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Fractal420] * 1
    #26523482 - 03/08/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I missed the part about having bags over their head...yeah, sounds like suicide for sure.

We can definitely rule out them dying from the room filling up with n02(I'm still doubtful this is even possible).

Although you never really know, without evidence to the contrary suicide is what I will presume. Could be a cover up, could be a suicide/murder...maybe one of them convinced the other putting a bag over your head is "how you do it" and when they were good and fucked up(no sign of struggle) wouldn't let them take it off or they passed out on their own.

Even if they were using bags over their head to do n02 recreationally
the chances of BOTH of them accidently dying, at the same time, are very, very low.

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And yes, the term NOS is dangerous as teens prolly don’t even know that car nitrous is not pure.




If you were stupid enough to use it, you'd know it after your first breath. The smell is quite noxious, and I imagine it would be extremely irritating to your throat/lungs. Maybe there is enough in there to damage your lungs right away, don' know, but I don't think it'd kill you without repeatedly using it and you'd have to be pretty damn determined to keep using that stuff.

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I cant believe people are saying a leaking nitrous tank in a room will kill you, that has never happened




It's my fault for even raising the possibility, even though I was skeptical at the time I was just brainstorming before I saw they had bags over their head. I know N02 can't kill you with oxygen present, and as I stated I am no expert on gas kinetics but N02 is heavier than air/oxygen so if it does force out oxygen it wouldn't need to fill the entire space to affect someone close to the ground(like someone sleeping)....again, don't think this is what happened, and am skeptical it is even possible at all, but the contrarian in me had to reply.


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