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OfflineSpoons5555
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Dmt question!
    #26523220 - 03/08/20 01:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

In theory could one put 60mg of dmt and 60mg of harmala extract (MAOI) into a shot glass of warm water preferably or alcohol and take it as a shot? Would this work like a mini aya trip?

Essentially ayahuasca is simply dmt and maoi suspended in a boiled down liquid (water)

Any info on the subject would be appreciated!!

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Re: Dmt question! [Re: Spoons5555]
    #26523236 - 03/08/20 01:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Probably not. But if you take the maoi first and then wait a bit for the dmt, you'd probably have a better chance.


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Re: Dmt question! [Re: Staplerhead]
    #26523359 - 03/08/20 04:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Look into pharmahuasca, it definitely could work but you'd want the RIMA portion at least 20 preferably 30-45 minutes before the DMT portion and you're gonna want to make a salt out of that DMT because freebase is harsher on the gut and insoluble in water.


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Re: Dmt question! [Re: Lophophora]
    #26523384 - 03/08/20 05:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

also you need more dmt for oral than you do smoked... i think the normal oral dosage is around 80-120 mg for a moderate to strong trip? and yeah, salt it out - i found out the hard way that freebase is a lot less bioavailable than the salt form when i was taking like 300 mg of the freebase form just to get a moderate strong trip then tried that with the salt form for the first time... oh man. lesson learned. LOL. first time i've ever passed out before.

for the harmalas you generally need about 200-300 mg oral dosage about 30-60 minutes before you dose the dmt for full inhibition. (or 2-3 grams of the actual rue seeds, but you said harmalas extract, so i assume you mean exactly that)

of course at this dose you're not getting a mini aya trip but a full blown one. :p

at any rate you're likely not going to get more than micro effects at that dosage level. only slight inhibition and low dosage to begin with.


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Re: Dmt question! [Re: Psion]
    #26523496 - 03/08/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The dmt dose is highly individual.
For me it's orally exactly as strong as smoked. 30mg orally feel like 4 to 5 g of shrooms already. My first dose was 80mg because I thought I had to take more.. oh boy was that a ride. :grin:

Yeah, better take the harmalas 30min before dosing the dmt. Gut-mao takes some time till it's fully inhibited.

To turn the freebase dmt into a salt simply stirr it into a shotglass with lukewarm water and a splash of vinegar. The vinegar turns the dmt into the acetate salt, which dissolves easily in water. Way better than swallowing freebase.

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Re: Dmt question! [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26523850 - 03/08/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Or just gelcap and eat, your stomach acid does the same thing.  Or in orange juice or acidic soda, like a Dr Pepper.  It’s pretty easy and well documented.


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Re: Dmt question! [Re: SynKyd]
    #26523874 - 03/08/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, the stomache converts it also. But many peope get very nauseous with freebase. Ingested as a salt the nausea is not too strong. I never purged from oral dmt so far.

I eat pure selfextracted harmalas in a capsule, then 30min later the self extrated dmt dissolved as acetate in a shot. No nausea this way, for me. :thumbup:

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Re: Dmt question! [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26523910 - 03/08/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

DMT hits me pretty hard orally, I usually do an MHRB brew with 4.5 grams of rue and can expect fully manifested OEVs by 3.5g of bark and my last dose at 7.5g had me paralyzed on the bed drifting in and out of my body. When I extracted from this batch I pulled slightly over a gram from 100g and quit when the pulls started producing less so can easily estimate roughly 10mg/g.


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Re: Dmt question! [Re: Lophophora] * 1
    #26524957 - 03/09/20 04:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

After rereading the first post I have to say that 60mg of harmalas won't do much.
You need at least 150mg of pure alkaloids to inhibit mao. I take 200mg of harmalas when dosing oral dmt.

60mg is not enough activate the dmt.

I do 200mg of harmalas, then 30min later 30 to 50 mg of dmt. Again, opposing to the harmala dose which should be quite the same for everyone, the dmt dose is individually different.
Some need more than 100mg, others are pleased with 30mg.

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