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PF Tek to Bulk * 1
    #26522361 - 03/07/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

This is my opinion, but I thought it was time to share.


This is a shit idea that may have worked for some, but it has to stop. BRF cakes that have been inoculated with a MS Syringe can always  have some form of contamination because fruiting is not done  in a sterile environment. This means that you are taking a jar that may be harboring a contamination and mixing it in abulk sub with other possibly healthy jars.

It might have been a cool idea, might have even worked for some people, but unless your are using a clean LC it is bad advise.

My ask, please stop telling people to do this. It is shit.


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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: Sockadin]
    #26522398 - 03/07/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: Mr.Wizard] * 1
    #26522411 - 03/07/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #26522440 - 03/07/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Lol..

Ill be fine, I bought my presterilized cakes from a reputable vendor on amazon! And my spore syringes are good because they came from the first result on google for "magic mushrooms spores"

My friend says cakes to bulk works fine, yall shroom knowitalls are just dogmatic
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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26522603 - 03/07/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

What about MS syringe to grain jars to bulk? It worked well for me but I don't work with spores any more so it coulda been a fluke? Or is it just an issue with brf?


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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: LongBeak] * 1
    #26522619 - 03/07/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Saying something is a bad idea doesnt mean it wont work.. every time I did cakes to bulk it went fine. Also usually had luck with spores to grain. But knowing what I've learned now, I would never do that again. It's just bad practice

Just because some people didnt get infections when surgeons didnt wear gloves doesnt make it a good idea for surgeons not to wear gloves

Main thing to keep in mind is spores are not sterile


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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26522634 - 03/07/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26522665 - 03/07/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I agree it's bad practice and I need to stop and I will. I just recently got some prints and I'm not using them until I order some LME agar and pour some plates. I already have my WBS. However heres a harvest of a sub I let flush out and then crumbled it back up and spawned again.. This is after recolonization. You'll probably hate me for this Lol






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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: Sockadin]
    #26522678 - 03/07/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I totally agree. I just feel like it isn't a big deal if it's your first grow and you basically had to start off with spores. It's gotta be the fastest way to get a decent yield, and then you can clone after and never touch spores again.


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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26522682 - 03/07/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Nice flush, my commentary is for people advocating this practice. If you tell someone they need to get better and crumble their cakes to bulk, your an asshole in my book


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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: LongBeak]
    #26522685 - 03/07/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah I totally agree. I just feel like it isn't a big deal if it's your first grow and you basically had to start off with spores. It's gotta be the fastest way to get a decent yield, and then you can clone after and never touch spores again.



Cakes have a better BE than bulk imo


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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: Sockadin]
    #26522774 - 03/07/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Sockadin said:
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LongBeak said:
Yeah I totally agree. I just feel like it isn't a big deal if it's your first grow and you basically had to start off with spores. It's gotta be the fastest way to get a decent yield, and then you can clone after and never touch spores again.



Cakes have a better BE than bulk imo





Idk about that... how would you calculate that without spawn?

I've turned a monotub using 5qt spawn + 10-15qt sub into 3495g (wet weight) in just one flush

I cant imagine someone pulling a 3.5kg flush off of 40 cakes


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    #26522781 - 03/07/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sure the math is there somewhere. Prove me wrong.


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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: Sockadin]
    #26522792 - 03/07/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

be is dry weight of material to wet weight of your harvest, cakes take this hands down but b.e. should be left for gourmet mushrooms where every gram matters lol


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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: Sockadin]
    #26522952 - 03/07/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm sure the math is there somewhere. Prove me wrong.



Cakes are precious, coir/verm is not. Yield matters much more than BE in this context. I agree with you though. The benefit to cakes for beginners is that a contam in one jar doesn't ruin your entire grow. Seems counterproductive to mix them all together, even if it does make your yield a little higher.


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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #26523173 - 03/08/20 12:47 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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be is dry weight of material to wet weight of your harvest, cakes take this hands down but b.e. should be left for gourmet mushrooms where every gram matters lol




I havent really messed with cakes much in about 12 years, so I could be way off.

How many cakes would someone need to do to get 3500 grams (wet) off the first flush (I understand that's more of a yield efficiency thing than BE in a strict sense)? And how much would the dry substrate weigh per cake?

Just curious how the math works out since it seems counterintuitive to me (I'm sure you'd be the guy who'd know for certain though)

Hard for me to compare apples to apples since I dont have much experience with cakes, but it seems like I can get a lot more water (90% of the fruits composition) into (and yield out of) bulk than I would expect to get into the same volume of cakes. Maybe its because I'm still thinking in terms of volume and yield rather than BE and dry weight


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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26523202 - 03/08/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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cronicr said:
be is dry weight of material to wet weight of your harvest, cakes take this hands down but b.e. should be left for gourmet mushrooms where every gram matters lol




I havent really messed with cakes much in about 12 years, so I could be way off.

How many cakes would someone need to do to get 3500 grams (wet) off the first flush (I understand that's more of a yield efficiency thing than BE in a strict sense)? And how much would the dry substrate weigh per cake?

Just curious how the math works out since it seems counterintuitive to me (I'm sure you'd be the guy who'd know for certain though)

Hard for me to compare apples to apples since I dont have much experience with cakes, but it seems like I can get a lot more water (90% of the fruits composition) into (and yield out of) bulk than I would expect to get into the same volume of cakes. Maybe its because I'm still thinking in terms of volume and yield rather than BE and dry weight




I use to average about 5 dry oz off 24 cakes.


So that’s about 1400 wet grams per bin of 24.. so (I personally would need 60 cakes to get 3500 with an average of 58 wet grams per cake... ish

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And how much would the dry substrate weigh per cake?




Just weigh a 1/4 cup of flour

Take my word for it that bulk grain spawn is waaaaaaaay easier work wise than doing that many cakes

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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: fahtster]
    #26523238 - 03/08/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)



Agar>lc>brf-cake>slurry>grain>coir
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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: spiritlands]
    #26523250 - 03/08/20 03:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: PF Tek to Bulk [Re: fahtster]
    #26523251 - 03/08/20 03:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks bro, that makes sense!

Especially if that's an average, because I'm comparing it to my best yield ever off bulk

I cant imagine doing that many cakes to replace 1 mono lol


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