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Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas'
#26521673 - 03/07/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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27-year-old Ukrainian chess champion and his girlfriend, 18, have been found dead in their Moscow flat, apparently poisoned by laughing gas.
Media reports say Stanislav Bogdanovich and Alexandra Vernigora - also a top chess player - were found with balloons containing the gas, nitrous oxide. The gas is inhaled using a balloon.
Russian investigators reported the deaths, without naming the pair, and said there were no signs of foul play.
Bogdanovich was a speed chess champion.
Vernigora was also a professional chess player and was studying at Moscow State University.
The Ukrainian sports website sport.ua says Bogdanovich was a grandmaster from Odessa who won the Ukrainian Under-18 championship and various chess awards at international tournaments.
Russian chess website chess-news.ru says that in 2015 he was rated eighth in the world for speed (blitz) chess.
Media captionExplained: What is nitrous oxide - or 'nos'? Reports say Bogdanovich drew much criticism recently for representing Russia in an internet chess match against Ukraine, which he won.
Sport.ua quotes a Facebook post from him (in Russian) about that, in which he argued that playing for Russia was good for business, that he was living as a guest in Russia and being treated well, and this was his small contribution to ending the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
Nitrous oxide was first used as an anaesthetic in 1844, but is now being used as a recreational drug and has been linked to a number of deaths. It can also cause breathing difficulties, dangerously increased heart rate and burns.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51767082
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#26521675 - 03/07/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am really shocked by this one, I just don't see 2 people dying from nitrous in this fashion. Maybe dual suicide via helium?
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#26521681 - 03/07/20 05:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The chances of a person dying from whip-its are pretty god damn low. The chances of two at the same time? Somethin more to this story maybe
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Near Dylan]
#26521685 - 03/07/20 06:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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No maybe about it...it'd be almost impossible to die from n02 with balloons without another drug involved. And as you said, for two people at once? No way.
I imagine they were using the n02 as a booster and fucking around with some RC...even then for them both to die, something went wrong such as miscalculated dosages or misidentified drugs.
Unless they had a giant tank of it and left the valve open in a relatively airtight room as they fell asleep..even then I don't know enough about kinetic theory or the affects of n02 in the atmosphere to be sure thats even a possibility.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Holybullshit]
#26521719 - 03/07/20 06:42 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The son of one of the surgeons I used to work with accidentally died of NOS. He used a mask hooked up to a tank. Died of asphyxia because there was no oxygen entering the mask, just NOS. I wonder what apparatus they were using with the balloons?
If that's not the case (apparatus---> asphyxia) then yeah, there was something else responsible, like an RC, as has bee suggested.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Nature Boy]
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Balloons are the apparatus, which is why I took note to say "with balloons". If you are a dumbass and go straight n02 with a masked strapped onto your face(fucking stupid) then you can die form n02 alone...but as you stated the only way to die with it is through asphyxia, and you have to be monumentally stupid for that to happen.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Holybullshit]
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people in here saying you can't die from nitrous are pretty stupid... its very possible and who knows what size room they were in and if they had the tank just going or something like some people get a bright idea to do... then there is no oxygen and you die... its happened before.
also breathing back into the balloon is terrible but i see it really hard to actually die that way unless you fish out and hit your head or something... but I'm guessing they opened the valve on the tank and left it going.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: SnowDaze] 1
#26522078 - 03/07/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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SnowDaze said: people in here saying you can't die from nitrous are pretty stupid... its very possible and who knows what size room they were in and if they had the tank just going or something like some people get a bright idea to do... then there is no oxygen and you die... its happened before.
also breathing back into the balloon is terrible but i see it really hard to actually die that way unless you fish out and hit your head or something... but I'm guessing they opened the valve on the tank and left it going.
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Even if they left a tank open there would still be oxygen in the room. The only way to die from nitrous oxide is asphyxiation with a mask, and that didnt happen here. I think it was an unknown drug or a mix up with nitric oxide instead of nitrous
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: sk8fast]
#26522146 - 03/07/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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From the sun
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Balloons containing nitrous oxide, also known as laughing gas or “hippy crack” were also at the scene.
“They died from laughing gas,” reported TASS, citing first information from the scene.
“Both had plastic bags on their heads.”
Russian investigators have said that there are no indications of foul play, but detailed checks are underway.
Sounds like murder or suicide covered up as rec no2 abuse... idk was apparently a kerfufal over the guy playing for russia recently, maybe the ukraines decided to off them in retrobution ?
Obvs conjecture on my part
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#26522196 - 03/07/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah it is like whippits and fent and heroin. God, who is dumb enough to die of it. AND NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY...If one dies from laughing gas, sure their was more in their system, you deserve it. Fuck of SJWS and M's.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#26522228 - 03/07/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: From the sun
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Balloons containing nitrous oxide, also known as laughing gas or “hippy crack” were also at the scene.
“They died from laughing gas,” reported TASS, citing first information from the scene.
“Both had plastic bags on their heads.”
Russian investigators have said that there are no indications of foul play, but detailed checks are underway.
Sounds like murder or suicide covered up as rec no2 abuse... idk was apparently a kerfufal over the guy playing for russia recently, maybe the ukraines decided to off them in retrobution ?
Obvs conjecture on my part
If they were found with bags on their heads, then yea I'd suspect suicide (or murder/foul play). Suicide is the first thing that comes to my mind when hearing they had bags on their heads, but there could be more to the story/foul play. (truth be told, if I were to ever take my self out of "the game", that's the way I'll do it, asphyxiation with nitrous oxide...I've spent some time thinking about it over the years lol)
Nitrous oxide has a long history of use in medicine, it's known to be a pretty safe and relatively "soft" drug...As long as one has oxygen in their system, I imagine people can suck down huge amounts of the gas with out any lethal consequences. (tho b-vitamin depletion and peripheral neuropathy is a risk with heavy/frequent use/abuse).
Very strange for a person to die from this drug, even stranger that two people did at the same time...Either suicide, or something fishy is going on.
For those of you that are savvy at searching and digging through the internet...I'm curious if there are any deaths from nitrous oxide that does not involve asphyxiation/suffocation. Like has anyone in history ever croaked and died just because they inhaled some nitrous oxide? And if so, I'm curious what the mechanism/direct cause was?.....I feel it's not likely, the only other thing I can think of is maybe a few people have had a heart attack from inhaling nitrous while on other drugs? (but even then, nitrous doesn't feel like it has much of any impact on the heart/cardiovascular system..?..).
I feel like the only way one can die from nitrous oxide isn't actually a direct result of the drug itself, but from asphyxiation (which can happen with any gas)....I'm super curious if there are deaths on record from nitrous that doesn't involve asphyxiation.
(I've had a decent amount of experience with nitrous over the past decade or so, mostly combined with LSD or Mushrooms or MDMA, it's always felt like a soft/safe drug to me and from what I understand about the basics of its mechanism of action and pharmacokinetics, it seems pretty safe/soft)
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
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Sugabearcrisp said: From the sun
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Balloons containing nitrous oxide, also known as laughing gas or “hippy crack” were also at the scene.
“They died from laughing gas,” reported TASS, citing first information from the scene.
“Both had plastic bags on their heads.”
Russian investigators have said that there are no indications of foul play, but detailed checks are underway.
Sounds like murder or suicide covered up as rec no2 abuse... idk was apparently a kerfufal over the guy playing for russia recently, maybe the ukraines decided to off them in retrobution ?
Obvs conjecture on my part
Yeah that is shady as hell. 27 year old chess master but he's stupid enough to put a bag over his head while doing nitrous?
People do stupid shit sometimes but this seems highly unlikely without other drugs involved, maybe they were super drunk or something as well.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: openmind]
#26522244 - 03/07/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Weird story, but besides that the term NOS is a misnomer since it refers to a company called nitrous oxide systems that makes nitrous kits for cars.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: sk8fast]
#26522352 - 03/07/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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SnowDaze said: people in here saying you can't die from nitrous are pretty stupid... its very possible and who knows what size room they were in and if they had the tank just going or something like some people get a bright idea to do... then there is no oxygen and you die... its happened before.
also breathing back into the balloon is terrible but i see it really hard to actually die that way unless you fish out and hit your head or something... but I'm guessing they opened the valve on the tank and left it going.
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Even if they left a tank open there would still be oxygen in the room. The only way to die from nitrous oxide is asphyxiation with a mask, and that didnt happen here. I think it was an unknown drug or a mix up with nitric oxide instead of nitrous
Nitrous oxide is heavier than regular air. If you fill a room with it and are low enough to the ground with no ventilation, the nitrous is not going anywhere and you'll be too out of it to get at any oxygen which is above your head. It's incorrect to say that it's only possible to die from it with a mask.
I'd say they probably had a relatively air tight room with no windows open, and the tank was probably just going or they were going at it for a few hours. Long enough to asphyxiate prior to the air dissipating.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: PatrickKn]
#26522399 - 03/07/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shit wrong video. 1000 ways to die where two people go into a circus sized tent and die. End. Couldn't find their way out from the helium and not on youtube so just use your imagination.
Thought this was funny in my search. Time to piss, we all have bladders. Sorry, listinging to a comedy show. Equal rights joke.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: openmind] 1
#26523108 - 03/07/20 11:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: From the sun
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Balloons containing nitrous oxide, also known as laughing gas or “hippy crack” were also at the scene.
“They died from laughing gas,” reported TASS, citing first information from the scene.
“Both had plastic bags on their heads.”
Russian investigators have said that there are no indications of foul play, but detailed checks are underway.
Sounds like murder or suicide covered up as rec no2 abuse... idk was apparently a kerfufal over the guy playing for russia recently, maybe the ukraines decided to off them in retrobution ?
Obvs conjecture on my part
If they were found with bags on their heads, then yea I'd suspect suicide (or murder/foul play). Suicide is the first thing that comes to my mind when hearing they had bags on their heads, but there could be more to the story/foul play. (truth be told, if I were to ever take my self out of "the game", that's the way I'll do it, asphyxiation with nitrous oxide...I've spent some time thinking about it over the years lol)
Nitrous oxide has a long history of use in medicine, it's known to be a pretty safe and relatively "soft" drug...As long as one has oxygen in their system, I imagine people can suck down huge amounts of the gas with out any lethal consequences. (tho b-vitamin depletion and peripheral neuropathy is a risk with heavy/frequent use/abuse).
Very strange for a person to die from this drug, even stranger that two people did at the same time...Either suicide, or something fishy is going on.
For those of you that are savvy at searching and digging through the internet...I'm curious if there are any deaths from nitrous oxide that does not involve asphyxiation/suffocation. Like has anyone in history ever croaked and died just because they inhaled some nitrous oxide? And if so, I'm curious what the mechanism/direct cause was?.....I feel it's not likely, the only other thing I can think of is maybe a few people have had a heart attack from inhaling nitrous while on other drugs? (but even then, nitrous doesn't feel like it has much of any impact on the heart/cardiovascular system..?..).
I feel like the only way one can die from nitrous oxide isn't actually a direct result of the drug itself, but from asphyxiation (which can happen with any gas)....I'm super curious if there are deaths on record from nitrous that doesn't involve asphyxiation.
(I've had a decent amount of experience with nitrous over the past decade or so, mostly combined with LSD or Mushrooms or MDMA, it's always felt like a soft/safe drug to me and from what I understand about the basics of its mechanism of action and pharmacokinetics, it seems pretty safe/soft)
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Exactly, openmind understands the pharmacology. Ive taken multiple pharmacology classes and I work as a pharmaceutical technician, nitrous oxide isn't going to kill you unless you have no oxygen to breath for over a few minutes. A Russian couple probably isnt going to spend the money to get an apartment completely airtight and turn on a tank to replace all the oxygen with nitrous oxide when they could just tie a bag on their head and fill it with nitrous. I cant believe people are saying a leaking nitrous tank in a room will kill you, that has never happened
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: sk8fast]
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Fractal420]
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#26523369 - 03/08/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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As in, he died from a nitrous incident (yes it’s fiction, a joke)
It can happen. But both of them? Does seem pretty nuts.
I mean there’s also nitrous infused with industrial chems like for cars. I’m not sure if they were using food or medical grade or maybe lower grade and didn’t even know it
I can’t imagine proper nitrous use killing two people, it wouldn’t happen with legit supplies and using it the right way. Maybe Russian nitrous isn’t as clearly labeled.
I’ve seen and myself experienced many balloons while rolling, tripping, while sober (def the most dissociating IMO but that was like 3 chargers ar a time)
And yes, the term NOS is dangerous as teens prolly don’t even know that car nitrous is not pure. I mean shit people drink bottles of robitussin with guafinisin or worse APAP in it, huge doses, just because they don’t check the back at all. “It’s robitussin, and it says DM so must be the stuff”
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Fractal420] 1
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I missed the part about having bags over their head...yeah, sounds like suicide for sure.
We can definitely rule out them dying from the room filling up with n02(I'm still doubtful this is even possible).
Although you never really know, without evidence to the contrary suicide is what I will presume. Could be a cover up, could be a suicide/murder...maybe one of them convinced the other putting a bag over your head is "how you do it" and when they were good and fucked up(no sign of struggle) wouldn't let them take it off or they passed out on their own.
Even if they were using bags over their head to do n02 recreationally the chances of BOTH of them accidently dying, at the same time, are very, very low.
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If you were stupid enough to use it, you'd know it after your first breath. The smell is quite noxious, and I imagine it would be extremely irritating to your throat/lungs. Maybe there is enough in there to damage your lungs right away, don' know, but I don't think it'd kill you without repeatedly using it and you'd have to be pretty damn determined to keep using that stuff.
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It's my fault for even raising the possibility, even though I was skeptical at the time I was just brainstorming before I saw they had bags over their head. I know N02 can't kill you with oxygen present, and as I stated I am no expert on gas kinetics but N02 is heavier than air/oxygen so if it does force out oxygen it wouldn't need to fill the entire space to affect someone close to the ground(like someone sleeping)....again, don't think this is what happened, and am skeptical it is even possible at all, but the contrarian in me had to reply.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Holybullshit]
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Holybullshit said: No maybe about it...it'd be almost impossible to die from n02 with balloons without another drug involved. And as you said, for two people at once? No way.
I imagine they were using the n02 as a booster and fucking around with some RC...even then for them both to die, something went wrong such as miscalculated dosages or misidentified drugs.
Unless they had a giant tank of it and left the valve open in a relatively airtight room as they fell asleep..even then I don't know enough about kinetic theory or the affects of n02 in the atmosphere to be sure thats even a possibility.
They could have been in a not very well ventilated area. I think most of the deaths of people reported from nitrous were people who were filling trash bags with the stuff in their car. Suffocation can definitely still happen with nitrous just like with any gas that isnt fresh air.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Holybullshit]
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Holybullshit said: No maybe about it...it'd be almost impossible to die from n02 with balloons without another drug involved. And as you said, for two people at once? No way.
I imagine they were using the n02 as a booster and fucking around with some RC...even then for them both to die, something went wrong such as miscalculated dosages or misidentified drugs.
Unless they had a giant tank of it and left the valve open in a relatively airtight room as they fell asleep..even then I don't know enough about kinetic theory or the affects of n02 in the atmosphere to be sure thats even a possibility.
I believe it would dissipate. I don't think you can knock out people by opening a tank in a room, dentists have left tanks open accidentally lots of times and you never here about them ending up on the floor.
Short of a b12 deficiency, which two people both won't have, the only way to die from nitrous is oxygen deprivation, but if they were using balloons that's pretty much impossible.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: viraldrome]
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I believe it would dissipate. I don't think you can knock out people by opening a tank in a room, dentists have left tanks open accidentally lots of times and you never here about them ending up on the flo
Of course it would dissipate, if it had the chance, dentists don't often leave tanks opens in closed bedrooms and then lie down and go to sleep.
Air is about 21% oxygen, you need at least 19% to breathe, it wouldn't need to displace all of the oxygen.
Like I said, I don't know a lot about gas kinetics but considering N02 is heavier than oxygen I really don't see why it wouldn't be possible(not likely, and it would probably require a large tank) for enough oxygen to be displaced at a low height in a room with little air exchange for it to have an effect.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Holybullshit]
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If you put a bag over your head it wouldn't take very much flow of gas for you to accidentally suffocate yourself from oxygen deprivation. If it was slow enough you wouldn't notice it happening and wouldn't do or be able to do anything about it.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: bodhisatta]
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You can’t buy a tank of nitrous in Russia. But you can buy every other drug with little effort, without ever meeting a dealer (dead drops) or having any connections (clearnet drug markets are advertised all over Moscow via graffiti and social media).
My point is, why get high on nitrous at all? It’s soooooo uncommon over there. More people shoot crocodile than do whip its. And that’s why this is all over the news...makes 0 sense.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: feldman114]
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...that is absolutely not why this is in the news, it does add a bit of intrigue for druggies but normal people aren't going to stop and ask how he got nitrous or wonder how he managed to kill himself with it. He's a chess champion(chess is a big deal there) and Ukrainian, the political aspect is a far bigger draw than the nitrous. And you think people can't get nitrous in Moscow? Lol.
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If you put a bag over your head it wouldn't take very much flow of gas for you to accidentally suffocate yourself from oxygen deprivation. If it was slow enough you wouldn't notice it happening and wouldn't do or be able to do anything about it.
If you put a bag over your head it wouldn't take any nitrous at all to kill you.
In this hypothetical scenario you are describing above...why are they keeping a bag over their head at all? Since apparently the n02 flow is so low that they would not notice it...are they just chilling, watching tv, with bags over their heads? Or maybe playing a game of chess with bags over their heads?
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Idk kids fucking choke themselves with belts to get high do it wrong and die. Not that surprising to me that some kids did something retarded
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bodhisatta said: Idk kids fucking choke themselves with belts to get high do it wrong and die. Not that surprising to me that some kids did something retarded
Not just random kids but a chess master... Some teens being stupid and accidentally suffocating wouldn't be unheard of, but this dude was 27 and a chess master. Seems smart enough to know not to put a plastic bag over his head.
Assuming this was just an accident other drugs must have been involved or it seems highly suspect. Maybe they were drunk and huffing out of bags and thought putting bags over there heads was a good idea? Still seems pretty suspicious.
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bodhisatta said: Idk kids fucking choke themselves with belts to get high do it wrong and die. Not that surprising to me that some kids did something retarded
That happens in a relative instant...and it generally happens when they tie the belt to something above them.
It doesn't take a chess master to know putting a plastic bag over your head can be dangerous...and in your hypothetical you talk about it happening "without notice", as if they were just hanging out with bags on their head. Your body sure as fuck notices when it runs low on oxygen, and you will do just about anything to correct it.
People generally die with bags over their head from suicide, or because they passed out too fast to do anything about it, not too slow.
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If it were just one person, that would be one thing...but two? Two people "accidentally" died with bags over their heads at the same time? Get real.
And the article talks about finding balloons, it doesn't say anything about finding tank(s).
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Deprivation of oxygen in the presence of carbon dioxide creates panic and a sense of suffocation (the hypercapnic alarm response), and struggling even when unconscious, whereas anoxia in the presence of an inert gas, like nitrogen, helium or argon, does not
The nitrous flushes out co2 and o2 and causes no alarm in humans. You don't notice you're suffocating and gradually lose consciousness. You'd basically get too dumb to notice.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: bodhisatta]
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This is why the "exit bag" works. Creates zero panic because suffocating from inert gas makes you body notice nothing.
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When some one gets beaten they get mad so mad theyll kill. Especially a chess match. someones technique could drive an opponent to murder.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: downlowfunk]
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Not if done quickly Bodhistta, thats the whole point, you can't really just go from atmospheric air/oxygen to straight nitrous and not notice ...were they chilling for 30-45 with bags over their heads for no purpose?
Are you asserting that they committed suicide? Because that is totally reasonable.
But if you are asserting that the chess champion AND another person BOTH accidentally died, at the same time, because they kept bags over their head(for apparently no reason at all) for an extended amount of time without realizing it was dangerous....get real.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Holybullshit]
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yea this seems really sketchy, ive done $10,000+ worth of nitrous and it never made me pass out or black out or give me any negative long-term effects, possibly some vitamin B12 deficiency only temporarily and my hands were in more pain than usual for a bit possibly from nerve damage related to the n20 and lack of B12 but that went away.
This looks like a murder-suicide cover-up, as others have said, how did both of them die, they would have had to die at the same time, the other one would've tried to revive the one who OD'd, the only possible way is if they had a tank with the valve left open in an enclosed space, as someone else has stated.
"Poisoned" by laughing gas, yea that just isn't possible. The only way to die from nitrous oxide is by lack of oxygen. The fact that this happened in Russia doesn't surprise me, there are a ton of people trained to murder and make it look either natural or like suicide. The names weren't released? Possibly to hide the fact that he had enemies, either in Ukraine or in Russia, possibly Ukraine since they are still salty about the recent civil war and Russia's hand in helping the rebels in Donetsk and Luhansk. My bet is pro-national Ukrainians pulled a hit job on him for representing Russia, that or there is more to this story we aren't being told.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: ButterWeasels]
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It might have just been a "normal" double suicide...dude had been receiving a lot of grief for playing for Russia, could have pushed him over the edge. For all we know was of the "unstable genius" type...and I generally don't trust men who are almost 30 and date teenagers, its a red flag that they are carrying some real psychological baggage whether it be narcissism/misogyny/toxic masculinity/insecurity/etc. etc.
I know its more "acceptable" over there, but its just because the fucked up reasons(and there are oh so many) men do that is more common/acceptable, not because there is anything healthier about those relationships.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Holybullshit]
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Over there? There’s a 20-year old under the arm of every other old-fart American millionaire...
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: feldman114]
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feldman114 said: Over there? There’s a 20-year old under the arm of every other old-fart American millionaire...

Shit look at the marriage ages many states have and some still have. It's becoming much less accepted but still super common in many places.
How many young women are looking for older sugar daddies and shit now as well. Seems like it's become more common if anything.
You don't even need to be a millionaire, I've met some older growers doing pretty well who'd date 20 year olds that were 30~ years younger then them
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It wasn't a commentary on the situation here, I know its common but we at least stop to think about it. The feminist movement never happened in the USSR/Russia, misogyny and the objectification of women is standard operating procedure...it's not just thats its common, most people don't even think there is anything wrong with it.
And for the record...there is a big difference between a girl in her early 20's and teenagers. There's also a big difference between casually dating someone much younger than you, and having a "serious" relationship with them and its often about the level of control/influence you can exert over them. Not that I am approving of any of the above...its just different and tells you different things about the man involved.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Holybullshit]
#26530163 - 03/12/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Common Sense.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Barnaby]
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Shows how much you know. The USSR was way ahead of the US on gender equality. We only caught up after the USSR was dissolved. Women were getting equal pay in management over there when the only jobs American women had were Secretary, Teacher or Housewife.
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The Constitution of the USSR guaranteed equality for women - "Women in the USSR are accorded equal rights with men in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social, and political life." (Article 122).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Russia#Soviet_era:_feminist_reforms
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: feldman114]
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They also tolerated homosexuality way before the west did. But media wouldn't have you believe that
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First off, that's like saying women and men were equal in the US since the 1940's because women worked in factories during the war.
Did you even read the link you yourself just posted?
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In 1930 the Zhenotdel disbanded, as the government claimed that their work was completed. Women began to enter the Soviet workforce on a scale never seen before. However, in the mid-1930s there was a return to more traditional and conservative values in many areas of social and family policy. Abortion became illegal, homosexuality was declared a crime, legal differences between legitimate and illegitimate children were restored, and divorce once again became difficult to attain.[37] Women became the heroines of the home and made sacrifices for their husbands and were to create a positive life at home that would "increase productivity and improve quality of work".[38] The 1940s continued the traditional ideology - the nuclear family was the driving force of the time. Women held the social responsibility of motherhood that could not be ignored.
That is from your link.
The modern feminist movement NEVER happened in the USSR.
Secondly, a LOT(read: all) of the progressivism of the USSR regarding race/gender was communist propaganda, and wasn't true in practice or reality.
And has absolutely nothing to do with how women are treated and viewed by men, nor is it representative of things today.
Want to see how much you know?
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In the Soviet Union, Mamonova struggled at great personal risk. She organized women to write and circulate the first underground feminist journal, "Woman and Russia," which featured articles by women from the Eastern Bloc, including Poles, Czechs and Bulgarians. Her activities prompted the KGB to hire a jet in 1980 and pile Mamonova, her husband and son and two other feminists on board against their will. They were exiled to Vienna just before the Moscow Olympics -- a precaution against embarrassment during the international event.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1984/08/29/feminism-in-the-ussr/bb884fe2-0ca0-420f-a253-f753697b4673/
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In a country where the concept of feminism remains at best socially neutral and at worst a “mortal sin,” activists fighting for gender equality under the banner of feminism have to take success where they can get it. And it's often fleeting.
Considering the link you posted, I thought you would really appreciate this.
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“Officially, after the [1917 Russian] Revolution, all women’s rights were achieved, so therefore according to the Soviet system, feminism as a movement had no need to exist,” Garina says.
But the ideal of gender equality as espoused in Marxist doctrine was far from reality. Though equality was touted in principle after the Communist revolution and women's education and literacy rates rose, in practice, it looked quite different
https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-06-05/after-decades-shadows-russias-feminists-grab-their-spotlight
Why don't you ask Pussy Riot how they feel about feminism in modern Russia...
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#26530412 - 03/12/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: They also tolerated homosexuality way before the west did. But media wouldn't have you believe that
WTF are you talking about? Sure, the USSR accidentally legalized homosexuality when they abolished the Tsarist legal code, but that didn't last long.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Russia#LGBT_history_under_Stalin:_1933%E2%80%931953
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In 1933, the Soviet government under Stalin recriminalised sex between men. On 7 March 1934, Article 121 was added to the criminal code for the entire Soviet Union that expressly prohibited only male homosexuality, with up to five years of hard labour in prison....
When Stalin came to power, homosexuality became a topic unfit for public depiction, defense or discussion....After Stalin died in 1953, he was replaced by Nikita Khrushchev, who proceeded to liberalize the Stalin era laws regarding marriage, divorce and abortion, but the anti-gay criminal law remained....
In 1958, the Interior Ministry sent a secret memo to law enforcement ordering them to step up enforcement of the anti-gay criminal law....
In 1984, a group of Russian gay men met and attempted to organize an official gay rights organization, only to be quickly shut down by the KGB.
And here is the real kicker.
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A poll conducted in 1989 reported that homosexuals were the most hated group in Russian society and that 30 percent of those polled felt that homosexuals should be liquidated.[35] In a 1991 public opinion poll conducted in Chelyabinsk, 30 percent of the respondents aged 16 to 30 years old felt that homosexuals should be "isolated from society", 5 percent felt they should be "liquidated", 60 percent had a "negative" attitude toward gay people and 5 percent labeled their sexual orientation "unfortunate"
https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/12/11/no-support/russias-gay-propaganda-law-imperils-lgbt-youth
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Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) youth in Russia face formidable barriers to enjoying their fundamental rights to dignity, health, education, information, and association. In Russia, antipathy towards homosexuality and gender variance is not new—LGBT people there have long faced threats, bullying, abuse inside their families, and discrimination—but the 2013 “gay propaganda” law has increased that social hostility. The law has also had a stifling effect on access to affirming education and support services, with harmful consequences for LGBT youth.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/06/26/how-the-soviet-union-tried-to-cure-my-homosexuality-a66162
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At that time, family counseling centers had just started to spring up in Leningrad (now St. Petersburg). One wasn’t far from where my relatives used to live, on 25 Rubinstein street. Now it’s been turned into a bar.
Don’t let the word “family” fool you — the center was actually the first legal organization dedicated to “sexology” or what you might call “sexual pathology.” I was 17 then. The predominant social opinion was that homosexuality was a disease that needed to be treated.
https://www.rbth.com/history/329768-ussr-lgbt-soviet-gays
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In the country where homosexual relations between men were criminalized (at least 25,000 imprisoned), being gay was hard, to put it mildly.
...the truth: it’s really dangerous to be gay in the USSR...
...Also, often the courts didn’t mention homosexuality directly. You could be gay, know that you’re oppressed for being so, yet go to jail under another pretext. That happened to well-known gay poet Nikolai Klyuev, detained, tried, and shot in the 1930s for his “counter-revolutionary activity.”
Clearly so very tolerant.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Holybullshit]
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Your ignorance is honestly astounding, and its not just the fact that you are ignorant...its that you think you know what you are talking about, when you clearly don't.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Holybullshit]
#26530580 - 03/12/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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We have anti gay laws here too still on books. Big fucking deal. How does society work.
Try doing something other than reading, propaganda, about Russia
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: bodhisatta]
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Well, NOW you say “modern”. I was talking about the USSR. During Stalin’s time...when women weren’t allowed to even be manager of McDonald’s in the US lol...Meanwhile, women were business leaders in the USSR during the same time period.
I don’t need links to know this, bud. I was born in the USSR. A certain mentality developed where society just deemed women as more collected and better fit for management roles than men. It’s hard to reconcile considering all the atrocities being committed in the USSR at the time, but it’s true
Also, I’m the LAST person to defend Russia or Putin, but I give credit where it’s due... I grew up seeing more women than men as bosses, doctors, judges, etc. Can you say the same?
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: feldman114]
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First off, there might have been another reason you saw more women than men "growing up"...
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/08/14/why-the-former-ussr-has-far-fewer-men-than-women/
I would think it was obvious I was talking about the modern feminist movement, an analog to what we saw in the US in the latter half of the 20th century...not the Victorian fucking era.
Are you a woman? When did you move out of the USSR?
Me listening to you about feminism in the Russia would be equivalent(actually worse, because the USSR hasn't existed for nearly 30 years) of me asking a child for his take on feminism in the US.
I don't give a shit if you were born there, you don't know WTF you are talking about and women becoming managers/supervisors has absolutely nothing to do with how they are treated by men socially in Russia.
And WTF does Putin have to do with how many women you saw working as a child?
And since you seem to equate equality in the workplace with equality outside of it...
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2017/09/15/women-in-russia-earn-much-less-than-men-a58950
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“Russian women’s wages are 26 percent lower than those of men,” Golodets said at a government strategy meeting.
Also, you should read Women in Managerial and Professional Positions: The United States and the Soviet Union
Which finds that "while Soviet women have had much more success at attaining professional positions, the differences are less in managerial occupations...Soviet women workers face many employment problems and the Sovit Union is overrated as a model of equality in employment."
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That's probably why America needed a me too movement but Russia didn't right?
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bodhisatta said: That's probably why America needed a me too movement but Russia didn't right?
You think Russia doesn't need a me too movement? Are you out of your fucking mind?
https://time.com/5636107/metoo-russia-womens-rights/
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The situation for women in Russia is getting worse, activists say. At least 40,000 women are affected by domestic violence each year, and at least 12,000 women are dying at the hands of their abusers annually, according to Russian government statistics, cited by the U.K. government.That’s about 33 women per day, 20 times the U.S. fatality rate.
"20 times the U.S. fatality rate"....but everything is hunky dory over there, total equality....take note that the Russian me too movement is as much about violence committed against women as it is sexual harassment. One of the central hashtags translates to “I Didn’t Want to Die”. But keep telling yourself things are oh so much better for women over there.
And if that wasn't enough...
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Meanwhile, there are no laws tackling workplace sexual harassment, including inappropriate sexual remarks or physical advances, leaving Russians with limited legal resources to charge someone or even file a complaint.
NO LAWS BANNING SEXUAL HARRASSMENT IN THE WORKPLACE!
And...
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In January 2017, Russian president Vladimir Putin signed a law decriminalizing domestic violence that does not cause serious injury with “serious” defined as an injury that requires hospital treatment. Since it was adopted in February 2017, beatings that leave bruises, scratches, or bleeding, but that do not cause broken bones or a concussion, are no longer a criminal offense.
THEY DECRIMINALIZED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO HEAR???
Are you going to be the next one to tell me you don't need to hear facts?...LMAO, you know you are right when the person you are debating admits that no matter what information you present, they will never change their position.
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We have anti gay laws here too still on books. Big fucking deal. How does society work.
They weren't just "still on the books", they actually imprisoned people. And how the fuck were the links I posted propaganda "about" Russia, most of them were Russian sources FFS...
But it's telling that you consider "Human Rights Watch" propaganda.
And since everything I posted before for you was about the USSR, here's a link concerning modern say Russia and its got nothing to do with "the books".
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-homophobia-lgbt-sexuality-gay-friend-research-a8926836.html
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Almost one in three Russians would disown a gay friend, study finds
Is that what tolerance looks like? Or do you think things were better for homosexuals 30-100 years ago, and they just got worse since then?(don't answer that, its rhetorical)
I'm done here, you both will do/say anything to avoid admitting(to yourselves) that you were wrong.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Holybullshit]
#26534257 - 03/14/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Time magazine is an American propaganda factory. Not a reputable news outlet. Russia bad is what they want you to hear. I suggest you visit Russia sometime in your life and form your own opinions. Maybe see propaganda for what it is.
Most Americans think the entire middle east is a third world shithole.
Most Americans think the same of India
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: bodhisatta]
#26534261 - 03/14/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Heck my wife won't even vacation to Mexico because of propaganda and Mexico is fucking awesome
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: Time magazine is an American propaganda factory. Not a reputable news outlet. Russia bad is what they want you to hear. I suggest you visit Russia sometime in your life and form your own opinions. Maybe see propaganda for what it is.
Most Americans think the entire middle east is a third world shithole.
Most Americans think the same of India
None of the links in my original reply to you sourced Time magazine...they were wikipedia, the moscow times, russia beyond, and human rights watch. I also linked to public radio international, and the pew research center.
Do those really sounds like "propaganda about Russia."??
And are you saying that Russia did not decriminalize domestic vioelence or that they do have laws banning workplace sexual harrasment????
Are you saying that isn't true?
And you might not like what Time chooses to report about, or how they spin it, but....
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/time/
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Factual Reporting: HIGH
If you really only believe what you've experienced personally and deny all outside sources of information beyond your own experiences, no wonder you are so out of touch with reality.
That is solipsism of the highest order and indicative of narcissism.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Holybullshit]
#26534278 - 03/14/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cool the facts are true. No one was ever arguing that. Who cares. Russians think we shoot black kids for fun and that you'll also have a 1/10 chance of being shot shopping or going to school. That 99% of us are fat.
The facts are cool and all but the picture they try to misleadingly paint with these facts is bullshit.
Of course all of those sources are propaganda. All our domestic news is propaganda about ourselves. Democrats in my state make it seem like abortion is impossible. People parrot it. In reality plenty of people get them all the time with no hassle here. So you ask one fired up liberal middle age person they'll say Wisconsin is extremely oppressive to women. Ask a 18-30 year old girl and she says wtf are you talking about
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: bodhisatta]
#26534283 - 03/14/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Republicans here would have you believe they're coming for the guns even the hunting ones. But you can go to the store and walk out with a glock 17 and 33 round magazine and ammunition in an hour.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: bodhisatta]
#26534294 - 03/14/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I didn't know the moscow times, russia beyond, public international radio and human rights watch were domestic news sources.
And there are a grand total of 2 PP's providing abortion in Wisconsin, 96% of counties have no abortion clinics and 70% of the population lives in counties that do no provide abortion services...so while not impossible, yet, I wouldn't say it is widely available or "hassle free".
https://thetab.com/us/wisconsin/2018/03/05/wisconsin-abortion-7011
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What was the first appointment like?
They couldn't get me in for a week and a half, and if they would've gotten me in any later I would have had no choice but to get the suction or surgical abortion...There are only two clinics in Wisconsin, Madison and Milwaukee
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas' [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#26538996 - 03/16/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If they're so quick to blame it completely on laughing gas, then there was likely something legal and "acceptable" involved, like alcohol or maybe they both had an adverse/unexpected reaction to taking the recommended dose (or possibly a little more) of prescription pills they had.
For both of these young people to both die from laughing gas at the same time is literally impossible, and that's not exaggerating. Although there is a slight possibility the gas could have been contaminated somehow, but highly unlikely.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas [Re: bodhisatta]
#26543970 - 03/19/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: They also tolerated homosexuality way before the west did. But media wouldn't have you believe that
People in Russia and Ukraine actively hunt down homosexuals, torture them and put it on YouTube.
they call everyone who isn’t straight a “sexual deviant” and even today they use pedophilia and homosexuality interchangeably.
And you should know what protest is like in Russia. I was watching a video of a kid with a Rasta hat waving a “Legalize it” sign peacefully. He was then beaten, right in the face, by an angry mob, but did not leave or stop protesting
Also, while illegal cannabis isn’t a huge deal in Russia unless you’re somehow important and they arrrest you for political reasons. Or just being stupid or open blazing
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas [Re: Fractal420]
#26544041 - 03/19/20 07:21 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do you also think Russians form opinions of America off of a few stupid redneck videos? Everyone in America beats gays too because there's a few videos of hate crimes.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas [Re: Fractal420]
#26544062 - 03/19/20 07:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fractal420 said:
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bodhisatta said: They also tolerated homosexuality way before the west did. But media wouldn't have you believe that
People in Russia and Ukraine actively hunt down homosexuals, torture them and put it on YouTube.
they call everyone who isn’t straight a “sexual deviant” and even today they use pedophilia and homosexuality interchangeably.
And you should know what protest is like in Russia. I was watching a video of a kid with a Rasta hat waving a “Legalize it” sign peacefully. He was then beaten, right in the face, by an angry mob, but did not leave or stop protesting
Also, while illegal cannabis isn’t a huge deal in Russia unless you’re somehow important and they arrrest you for political reasons. Or just being stupid or open blazing
People in the US and Zimbabwe are severely undereducated.
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Re: Young Ukraine chess couple 'killed by laughing gas [Re: bodhisatta]
#26544070 - 03/19/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Do you also think Russians form opinions of America off of a few stupid redneck videos? Everyone in America beats gays too because there's a few videos of hate crimes.
It happens at a MUCH higher rate...and it isn't just about those who commit the acts, but how those actions are viewed and videos received.
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Almost one in three Russians would disown a gay friend, study finds
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-homophobia-lgbt-sexuality-gay-friend-research-a8926836.html
You are wrong, your view regarding homosexuality in Russia is not accurate or backed up by reality, let alone the USSR...which is what your original comments were about. In the USSR homosexuals had it even worse.
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