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Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination 1
#26517163 - 03/04/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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With a low g2g ratio bags can take a couple weeks to colonize, depending on location relative to HVAC registers the top grains of the spawn bags can dry.
An obvious fix is to shake the spawn bag and wait for recovery - but realistically this will add days and days to colonization which is valuable time.
In the past when spawning I would brush these dried presumably (visually) uncolonized grains off before breaking up the bag to spawn.
For a simple test to see if removing the grains was nessecary last time I collected top dried grains from ten or so bags into a shoebox, added CV, cased with CV and here we are...
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: filthyknees]
#26517167 - 03/04/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I fold the bags over as to block the filter...Never an issue there’s always plenty of air left in the bags
I would say anything that is not colonized in your bag is going to greatly increase contamination when you Spawn it
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: 99.99]
#26517196 - 03/04/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Interesting so you try to cover the patch from having excessive air blow over it by just folding the top of the bag to drape over the patch?
I'll try your folding method.
It's very often not a problem, but in low rh, or if near an HVAC register very dry air will dry out spawn bags.
you're lucky if your environment is so that they will not dry, obviously you take steps to ensure this if I'm understanding your post, so it seems it may be effecting you enough to take that step.
Garenteed using a lower g2g ratio than you.
I thought the dried grains would increase the contam risk as you thought, figured I'd do this test and find out.
After all as I use ONLY the dried grains in this shoebox mind you I say VISUALLY uncolonized/dried grains and it turns out absolutely fine then I will reconsider if it does in fact lead to increased risk, because seemingly so far, they must be colonized, but just dry because it looks fine.
So let's find out. I'll update the progress over the next week or two.
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: filthyknees]
#26519620 - 03/05/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are use 1 1/8 cup of wheat to 1 cup of water
My area is in a walk-in closet with a small space heater but on longer colonizing mycelium it does want to dry out toward the filter patch so I just fold them over and lay the bag on top to keep it closed
I have 19 bags of truffles that would never survive unless I did this I will post a picture later
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: 99.99]
#26519684 - 03/05/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I seen somebody scope the dried grain and they all had mycelium on them, plopped on agar they all grew beautiful isolates
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: cronicr]
#26519745 - 03/05/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Somebody???....every time??? Would it be better to have it fully colonized ????
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: 99.99]
#26519755 - 03/05/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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it was brought up when somebody made half inch holes in his grain jars and the tops dried out, a few of us just said spawn it( I always do n never seen it be an issue) so the dude simply scoped some lol, I don't recall the name it was a couple years ago in the fb group
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: cronicr]
#26519774 - 03/05/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I’ve taken to shaking everything @ ~75% 4 days before spawning, since I’m on a regular schedule this works fine for me, but I had a heat spike(83 f) in an incubation room that made bacteria go nuts and I threw away a few bags, didnt want to shake the rest because I wasn’t sure they’d recover and only ended up spawning 1/2 of what I wanted to today because the rest had dry grains up top.
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: AyePlus]
#26526889 - 03/10/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: filthyknees] 1
#26526972 - 03/10/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Glad I came across this thread. Just had half my bags that wouldn't finish the top grains. All the masters were really nice. Was worried it was a contam coming in from the filter patch, but there wasn't any sign of mold or bacteria. Ended up spawning them to see what happens. Makes me feel 5% better that it might still be ok
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: rickyswamps]
#26535437 - 03/14/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Couple spots of green. Seems like if you're not combining ten different bags dried grains worth it'll be fine.
I'll update one more time but I have my conclusion.
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: filthyknees]
#26535513 - 03/14/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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They look like they need more FAE the tall skinny stems as they try to reach up for air
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: rumfor69]
#26535523 - 03/14/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I switched it to a dub tub with some more air flow. Not really caring about the yield on this but good thought.
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: filthyknees]
#26539264 - 03/16/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I didn't measure the amount of grain, but by estimation it was no more than a qt.
90% of first flush turns out to be 1.16oz dry.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: filthyknees]
#26539309 - 03/16/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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What is this crazy split cap grow? They look very interesting.
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: Sockadin]
#26539326 - 03/16/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's just from drying, I left the top tub very open. Neglected.
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: filthyknees]
#26539328 - 03/16/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Let's all do that. Looks cool.
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: Sockadin]
#26539370 - 03/16/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I spawn bags with uncolonized dried grains on top sometimes. Never been an issue.
Sounds to me like your grain prep guy needs to boil the grain longer. Get it hydrated to the center so it won't dry out. That's how I solved this issue.
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: Stromrider]
#26539627 - 03/16/20 10:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have some grain jars that seemed to have stalled over the weekend.. just a few uncolonized grains on top.. think I'm just gonna spawn them tomorrow..
Gonna try boiling my grain longer too.. glad to hear it's probably fine to spawn
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: Mr Solo Dolo]
#26539633 - 03/16/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've spawned jars with uncolonized seeds on top a bunch of times Never gave me a problem
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: rumfor69]
#26539647 - 03/16/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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just found this thread . I spawn at a rate of 1 bag:1pc load of bags(12-18) I've found that by shaking early (that is earlier than one normally would if at all) the bags come out looking good and not much additional colonization time is added. I feel like the early myc dispersal speeds up the time from ashake and is sometimes faster than just waiting for myc to colonize parts of the bag that spawn may not have initially made its way to. so I shake at maybe 20% colonization
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: TedsDead]
#26540135 - 03/17/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you not shaking it up when you make them? Im assuming we are talking about g2g (master to grain bag). I figured that was the fasted way to colonization.
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: rickyswamps]
#26540253 - 03/17/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I shake when I make em but I make master bags and most of my g2g is bag2bag pours
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: TedsDead]
#26540294 - 03/17/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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ah ok. You are going plate to grain bag? How's that working for you. Didn't know if the colonization times were too slow to get good results.
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: rickyswamps]
#26540439 - 03/17/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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no. plate to jar to bag. just most of my g2g's are bag to bag. I dont do many jar transfers cause its less efficient with pc space and I really like pouring bags.
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: TedsDead]
#26540965 - 03/17/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Heya Strom, I give him hell any chance I get but I can't say it's all one thing causing it. I mentioned it though.
Bags like this happen all the time

Held off spawning those yesterday because of a couple small spots but you can see some colonize very well.
I think with a lower ratio and a generally low rh room drying just happens over a couple weeks, might have some to do with the A/C unit.
Definitely a few factors, we're surviving though.
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: filthyknees]
#26541599 - 03/17/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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filthy, what type filter are you running on yer bags?
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: filthyknees]
#26541693 - 03/17/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
filthyknees said: Heya Strom, I give him hell any chance I get but I can't say it's all one thing causing it. I mentioned it though.
Bags like this happen all the time

Held off spawning those yesterday because of a couple small spots but you can see some colonize very well.
I think with a lower ratio and a generally low rh room drying just happens over a couple weeks, might have some to do with the A/C unit.
Definitely a few factors, we're surviving though. 
I had the same thing going on last month. Using 14A's, they have .5 micron filters. Maybe getting a little too much air exchange?
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: rickyswamps]
#26541726 - 03/17/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I always have that issue regardless of time of yr. probly cause I like to prep grain on the dry side. I use .5's tho as well but I've had it happen with .2's also. its gotta be the room/outside conditions or the grains. when I used to use oats I never shook cause that always effed things up but now that Im a rye guy I always shake and bags look purfect
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: TedsDead]
#26541769 - 03/17/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Will dried grains topping spawn bags lead to contamination [Re: staytrippy420]
#26542339 - 03/18/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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We use the .2s now, seems to me drying happens slightly less with the .2s than with the .5s but both have worked.
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