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Max yield per quart
    #26516586 - 03/04/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What’s the most you’ve gotten off one myco quart of spawn??

As I’m getting better at cult and starting to work with clones my first flush yields have gone up considerably. It’s got me wondering where the cap is and how it works with multiple flushes.

Like say the absolute most you could get was 600 wet. If you tweak everything just right is it possible to get most of it on the first flush making it less valuable to get the second?

My earlier grows I’d get like 230 first flush then 180 second. But my most recent ones have consistently been 340+ first flush. I’m still waiting on second flushes but I’m assuming they’ll be much smaller percentage wise than before.

I always wondered why a lot of more experienced growers didn’t seem to care about multiple flushes since I was seeing pretty good returns up to the third. But if you can hit 80% of the potential on the first shot it makes more sense to move on to a new tub rather than wait out two more flushes for the last 20%.


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: A.k.a]
    #26567852 - 03/30/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey friend!

Surprised nobody has commented yet. I'm also curious to hear some answers to this.

My buddy from college that turned me onto "this stuff" was all about one flush wonders and would never divulge too much info. Miss that fucking guy


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: Wolfenstein]
    #26567920 - 03/30/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I would say my highest yields have been on the first flush, followed by pretty weak flushes following that one.


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: monkey_accident]
    #26567940 - 03/30/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

1oz per qt is what youre looking for. Dried that is. Maybe 3/4. With optimal surface conditions and a solid clone culture you can achieve 1-1.5 oz per qt dried. I would say that’s the max because I usually get 3oz dried from 4qts spawn. A lot of that was lost to aborts which is pretty much impossible to avoid even with absolutely perfect surface conditions.


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: monkey_accident]
    #26567970 - 03/30/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well, I haven’t been doing too many 1qt spawning, as I’ve come to like my RoR on the monos.....but even when I was running all shoeboxes, my first flush was in the 200s wet 1st flush but 2nd flush always produces bigguns.  My first LAGM PESA mono 2nd flush pushed out 5-10 30+g fruits.  I dunno, I think it really all comes down to the spawn we’re putting in the tubs.


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: Jarhead3521]
    #26568183 - 03/30/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’ve seen multiple people comment that their first flushes would be between 6-8oz dry, so it’s possible to get that 600g first flush, that being said I think it would come down to the genetics you are cloning from some just don’t have it in them. IME I’ve flushed tubs till they produced a lb because that’s what I expect from my mono. It doesn’t always happen but when it does those are the genetics I would attempt to isolate. In my signature that came from 2 tubs around 2lb, I like these sort of post sometimes people get really caught up in techniques without consider what results their really seeking. Good luck.


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: PiptheGreAtest]
    #26606009 - 04/16/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I’ve seen multiple people comment that their first flushes would be between 6-8oz dry, so it’s possible to get that 600g first flush, that being said I think it would come down to the genetics you are cloning from some just don’t have it in them. IME I’ve flushed tubs till they produced a lb because that’s what I expect from my mono. It doesn’t always happen but when it does those are the genetics I would attempt to isolate. In my signature that came from 2 tubs around 2lb, I like these sort of post sometimes people get really caught up in techniques without consider what results their really seeking. Good luck.




So ive been running tubs for a while with inconsistent results and its been getting very frustrating. My normal setup is 630-680 grams worth of coco brick, 300-330ish grams. of gypsum, and 2.75 to 3.25 quarts of boiled water depending on the weight of the brick of coco (also using 2 quarts of verm).  Ive been making LC pours for about 5-6 generations worth now and using that to inoculate. Ive been using pastys mono tech with 3 holes on each long side with 5 holes just under each handle of the side (this way I avoid having to use poly or MP tape and it seems pretty much dialed in).  Ive been using 4 quarts of pretty full spawn, and recently upped it to 5 quarts thinking it would help. But Im struggling to get 3 oz's dry... Sometimes itll be about 2, sometimes itll be 3.5. Even back when I was using 6 quarts I couldnt get more than 4.25 max.

Ive also been getting a good amount of aborts... and I feel that if the aborts would continue to grow my yield would really pick up. Using that method I described for the mono (pasty's revised version) seems to have my tubs dialed in pretty good to the point that I dont take the lid off till Im ready to harvest... always has droplets but is never saturated or dry. Is it possible im not getting enough FAE? Is the substrate not at a high enough field capacity so the aborts dont have the moisture to fulfill their destiny lol?  Am I running into senescence? Or do I just need to take a clone from the tissue of a big mushroom that is in a cluster of others, and then just keep isolating the shit out of it? Thanks for any advice. Sorry for hijacking the thread. lol.


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: mushman1017]
    #26606069 - 04/16/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well if you’re doing ms everytime it could be luck, try finding a good clone. Are you talking 3 ounces over multiple flushes or one flush?

The few PE ms grows I did were all around 340 wet first flush, but the two clones I ran both hit 495 so clones can make a big difference.


When I made this thread my main question was if you pull a gigantic first flush will the second and third flushes still be the same as after a smaller first flush.

So far it seems like no they won’t. For example my PE tubs that were close to 500 first flush put out very small second flushes then sat around putting out one or two tiny shrooms a week until they molded.

So I’m gonna say with PE the ceiling on a quart is about 600 wet regardless of number of flushes. Over six grows ms and clone they all produced about that much whether in one or three flushes.


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: A.k.a]
    #26606097 - 04/16/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If i was to split 100% between my three average flushes, it would be approximately like this:

1st: 50%
2nd: 30%
3rd: 20%

I too would like to achieve big first flushes... gonna keep an eye on this thread. 
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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: Ombisha] * 3
    #26606195 - 04/16/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You have to figure out actual biological efficiency to know if you are getting
everything worth while out of your tub 1st flush.

The quoted 1oz/1qt of spawn as per the comments above is just a benchmark of
the shroomery concerning acceptable yield, not actual BE.

BE is the weight of harvest (wet)/weight of dry material (grain and sub) multiplied by 100.

Harvest 500g mushrooms wet using 500g of dry material then your BE is 100% and
any further mushrooms are icing on the cake.

1qt of coir is about 80g before hydrating (650g/8qt) and 1 myco quart of spawn is about a
half jar of dry grains. I just weighed it up and half a quart of wheat weighs
roughly 350g. Add that to the 80g of dry coir and you get 430g dry material.

So for you to achieve 100% BE first flush using 1 myco quart spawn to one quart hydrated coir you
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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26606252 - 04/16/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My experience has always been low yields. I've had experience with 4 varieties
of cubes. I've done MS, clones, agar, and monocultures. prepared coir/verm
multiple ways, misted, fanned, not misted or fanned.

I've used 5 quarts all the way up to 9 quarts, 1:1 ratios, 1:2 ratios
no matter what I've ever done I've always averaged around 5oz dry from
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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: rumfor69]
    #26609915 - 04/18/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Really? How big are your monos that you run with?


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: Wolfenstein]
    #26609935 - 04/18/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The normal 66qt ones


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: rumfor69]
    #26609949 - 04/18/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Size shouldn’t matter as much as amount of spawn I think.

Five ounces from 9 quarts is pretty brutal man. Even with ms I can usually get 1.25 oz per quart if it doesn’t contam early.

lol still 5oz is plenty of mushrooms.


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: A.k.a]
    #26610969 - 04/18/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I think it's just my genetic luck. Easy fix...just make more! LoL


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: rumfor69]
    #26612182 - 04/19/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Also I'd like to clarify that I'm not using 9 quarts of spawn.
I'm using 9 jars of spawn. That once colonized and broken up

fill the jar to the 600ml line or even a little under. 9 of
these jars equals about 5.7 actual quarts of spawn. Which I

then mix with 12 actual quarts of prepared coir/verm to make
about a 1:2 ratio that creates a 4-5" thick sub in the old 66qt totes.

So then basically I'm getting 0.8333 oz from one actual quart of spawn.


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: rumfor69]
    #26613785 - 04/19/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

More often then not, when we say a "quart of spawn," we do mean a myco-qt or 2/3 - 3/4 of a quart. Fuck calculating out actual quarts :lol:


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
    #26613859 - 04/19/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Google converts it and the jar has ml marks on the side. One 650g brick
of coir, 2 quarts of verm, and a gallon of water work out to almost exactly
12 actual quarts. If you only use 6 jars at the 600ml mark your

only using 3.8 actual quarts and if you use that whole brick of coir
recipe it would be a 1:3.16 ratio which I've noticed causes significantly
longer colonization times. In a scenario where you're doing rotational

growing as fast as possible in a limited space your better off using more
jars to increase colonization times even if it doesn't increase yield.
If you have a bigger space and can have more tubs, then a slower rotation
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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: rumfor69]
    #26613895 - 04/19/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

you should average 10 dry ounces off 5 qts of spawn in 2 flushes :thumbup:


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: A.k.a]
    #26614143 - 04/20/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Well if you’re doing ms everytime it could be luck, try finding a good clone. Are you talking 3 ounces over multiple flushes or one flush?

The few PE ms grows I did were all around 340 wet first flush, but the two clones I ran both hit 495 so clones can make a big difference.


When I made this thread my main question was if you pull a gigantic first flush will the second and third flushes still be the same as after a smaller first flush.

So far it seems like no they won’t. For example my PE tubs that were close to 500 first flush put out very small second flushes then sat around putting out one or two tiny shrooms a week until they molded.

So I’m gonna say with PE the ceiling on a quart is about 600 wet regardless of number of flushes. Over six grows ms and clone they all produced about that much whether in one or three flushes.




This was like 3 zips total, after 2-3 flushes before contam kicks in.  Ive taken a clone from tissue before, then transferred it out about 3-4 times and started using that as a clone for my LC... is that not enough? how many do you think I realistically need to take before I can get even and abundant pinset?  Also, I spawn strait to fruit... and the sub looks like its not 100% colonized by the time the first pinset and flush comes in. Do you think I need to try covering the holes and waiting 10-14 days to fully colonize then fruit? Will I get the numbers that Im looking for?


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: tripdawg420]
    #26614435 - 04/20/20 06:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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you should average 10 dry ounces off 5 qts of spawn in 2 flushes :thumbup:




I had some Cambodian genetics that would do that but their potency was weak.
I've never seen anything over 5.5 dry zips from anything else I've
grown. Using 5 jars or 9 jars it's always the same. I won't even
say how many tubs a year for how many years this low average has been
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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: rumfor69]
    #26614547 - 04/20/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I average 1.5 to 2 oz dry from each quart of spawn. I use 2 quarts of spawn with 3.5 quarts of Coir/ver/gyp in 11x22 seedling trays. Each tray yields 3-4 oz over 3 flushes.


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: PiggyPig]
    #26614730 - 04/20/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I would stop using lc, if it’s not totally colonizing the sub it’s probably dirty.

G2g would prob be safer.

I’ve run like 15 clones and only had 2 that weren’t way above the average ms grow, but they still weren’t bad.

That’s weird man if it’s going three flushes and you’re still not getting much. Conditions maybe?

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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: A.k.a]
    #26615043 - 04/20/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My spawn always looks and smells perfect. Rarely even see so much as
a metabolite drop. I've done it all ways for conditions misting, fanning,
only misting, only fanning, polyfill, Micropore, no fanning or misting
2" up to 5" thick subs nothing matters. I think it's genetics.

One thing I'm curious of is I NEVER get good rhizo growth. Always fuzzy
tomentose mycelium. 6 different varieties of cubes on agar MS and clones
not one rhizo in any of it. I get a few rhizos on grains amd some
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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: A.k.a]
    #26615045 - 04/20/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Here what I’d do, take a high yielding strain some information on this throughout forum one I’m formulated with is ToC (treasure coast) get a MSS syringe, knock up like 20 plates and start isolating the sectors you will have to fruit these see which ones a winner and clone the biggest or out of cluster  and run that in LC I figure this is the only way to capture dusted yields, I’ve also read that when you go 4 generations out of LC you lose the strength so you have to repeat the above process or reset the genetics via spore print.


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: PiptheGreAtest] * 1
    #26615060 - 04/20/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It's way less work to just keep using what I have and make a couple extra tubs that rotate quickly


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: A.k.a]
    #26615862 - 04/20/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I would stop using lc, if it’s not totally colonizing the sub it’s probably dirty.

G2g would prob be safer.

I’ve run like 15 clones and only had 2 that weren’t way above the average ms grow, but they still weren’t bad.

That’s weird man if it’s going three flushes and you’re still not getting much. Conditions maybe?

My guess is spawn then conditions.




Ive had the same issue when Ive done G2G... only do that when I run out of LC but ive got about 9 500 ml bottles going at any time now so hopefully I dont run out lol.

From the time I spawn till I see pins are about 7 to 10 days... and then by day 14-17 Im harvesting my flush. I think it just goes gung ho with the colonization and doesnt put enough energy into fruiting cause its just trying to run its coarse so quickly? I dunno. Would it behoove me to try not fruiting from spawn and give it some time before I introduce FAE? I have noticed that After first flush I havent been soaking... Ive been doing some pretty hefty spraying and then spraying a bit every day after... even if its been a bit moist. so sometimes by the second flush the sub starts becoming a bit water logged. Im trying to just do a light mist now whenever I see the little sparkly beads gone... But I only go to the spot to do my thing once a day so its hard to keep an eye on it.


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    #26615874 - 04/20/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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ToC (treasure coast)




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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: mushman1017]
    #26615875 - 04/20/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

How long are they making it before molding out?

If you’re doing that many grows it would be worth devoting one or two to experimenting with colonization periods or anything really.

Has it all been the same culture??

I’ve had like two or three tubs pin before getting fully colonized but were also healthy and went past three flushes.

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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: A.k.a]
    #26615906 - 04/20/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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How long are they making it before molding out?

If you’re doing that many grows it would be worth devoting one or two to experimenting with colonization periods or anything really.

Has it all been the same culture??

I’ve had like two or three tubs pin before getting fully colonized but were also healthy and went past three flushes.

Any other time it’s pinned premature was contaminated.




sometimes it takes 2 flushes till It gets trich, sometimes its 3. but I dont think it usually goes past 3. I think the oldest tub I had just tossed was from 2/27...  But ya, I was thinking today when I go im gonna try to colonize them a bit longer before I open the holes for FAE...

Yes, its all been the same culture.  Ill see if I can take a few pics of the tubs that are gonna be coming up for harvest here. I basically have been setting and forgetting it... so changing the process that will require me to do anything more than what Ive been doing will be a LOT more work. But if it means I can double or triple yield I might consider it.


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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: A.k.a]
    #26615921 - 04/20/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Mine  colonize 100% in just about a week. They look how they do in my sig.
I get about 4-5 flushes this Texas/PE6 flushes all the first 3 at once
staggered together then I get one or two more after that. Mine don't
even usually mold out they just shrivel and dry out and stop. Once
in awhile they might get a tiny green spot at that ending on the surface.

I've done a series of different printing and cloning on agar with
them over the years trying to get them to be better but they're always
the same. This last time I made 5 different dishes from the MS dish
and they all grew identical lol I'm done trying with them.

I have some lizard king, AA+, Ban Nathon, PE, and a different PE6 that
I'm going to be mixing into tubs soon. But they were all fuzzy tomentose
across 4 dishes with 4 syringe drops on each dish to give me 16 dice rolls.
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Re: Max yield per quart [Re: rumfor69]
    #26617637 - 04/21/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just for reference here are some tubs that I have going... things look good but there doesnt seem to be consistency with the pinset, even under the same conditions.



This one is a decent flush (I harvested some matured ones the day before in the top left corner) but I dont know how to have all of them fill out like this.



And yes I know its a little late on the harvest but its not at my place so its hard to time everything lol.


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