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11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong?
#26515887 - 03/04/20 05:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey Guys,
SWIM had these BRF cakes of Leucistic GT. These cakes were birthed after 5 1/2 weeks. Dunked for about 6 hours and placed in the FC on lava rocks with air wands w/aquarium pump running length of FC, the cakes are not sitting directly on the lava rocks but with a piece of foil underneath. With SWIMS first go around with B+ the cakes were not dunked/rolled, SWIM placed the cakes directly on the lava rocks and they flourished, they had no pins before birthed. These LGT had no signs of pins either but was being a little impatient as they had been fully colonized for over a week. From everything SWIM has learned cultivating many delicate plants/ animals in Reef Keeping, patience is key. These cakes have been in the FC for 15 days now. SWIM fans about 3 times daily and mists. Since this is SWIMS second go around and SWIM sees no signs he was wondering if you guys see anything out of the ordinary. Humidity is at 99% and temp hovers around 75-76 F. Thanks in advance.
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: ZFungi]
#26515896 - 03/04/20 05:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am not a cake pro, so definitely wait for someone else’s post.
But, I haven’t seen lava rock used before. Did you follow a tek to build it? I think the poly stuffed holes are too high up. I think an air wand and 99% humidity could be problematic as well.
How come the cakes have that bluish tint?
I think patience is key also, so again, wait for an expert to come along.
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: ZFungi]
#26515993 - 03/04/20 07:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cakes can be finicky keep patient, if it was me I’d take those and spawn them to a shoebox before they start pining, you will get way better yield. Cake teks are mostly obsolete unless they are being used for genetics research they don’t have much value to the average mushroom cultivator
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26516003 - 03/04/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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That chamber is so retro of you.
Is it 11days or 15? Stop that swim shit plz.
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: mushboy]
#26516562 - 03/04/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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SWIM says, lol 12 days. Since Birthing.
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: ZFungi]
#26516594 - 03/04/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Isn’t six hours really short to dunk them?? I only did cakes twice but dunked for 18-24.
I second shredding to coir shoebox.
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: ZFungi]
#26516632 - 03/04/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm a novice so I'd take advice from Mushboy and other TC's over mine, but there are a couple things that come to mind. 1. That FC is definitely out of the ordinary. I know you said the humidity is high, but I wonder about the distribution of that RH and FAE. 2. 6 hours is a pretty short amount of time to dunk. 3. There's not a lot of verm left on those cakes from the roll.
I wonder if your cakes are too dry. The FC, dunking and rolling are all used to create a better climate, (micro climate for the dunking and rolling). Again, I'm a rookie, but it seems like that could be your problem.
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: mushboy]
#26516727 - 03/04/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushboy said: That chamber is so retro of you.
Is it 11days or 15? Stop that swim shit plz.

I wonder what fruiting chamber might eliminate all of these problems with fruiting cskes? I feel like it's should be linked to more often if the goal is for everyone to have the best success. Ore has is not proven already that it's the best setup for fruiting cakes so far?
Or is it even too far fetched to make a sticky thread about it? Considering how huge part of growing BRF cakes is the beginning of many cultivators experience? And yet often associated with horrible success rate... But look at newbs success rate using that wet chamber stuff.. Day and night..
I'm just thinking out loud, do I single handedly need to convert noobs from decade old posts or can a homie get some help around here spreading the gospel?
Edited by Mateja (03/04/20 03:38 PM)
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: Mateja]
#26516741 - 03/04/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spreading the word about HC is not about helping me, it's not likely my growing skills will suddenly improve faster if more noobs klick on the HC link before birthing their first cakes, the only thing it's gonna help is those same noobs by improving their chances of decent success by quite a bit. I want everyone to raise their success rate, who's with me?
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: Mateja]
#26516765 - 03/04/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seems to me that if you creating a 99% humidity environment your not getting evaporation from the cakes. Your just blowing moist air around them. Turn the air wands off for a few days. Bet you will see your cakes start drying out and Notting.
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: Sockadin]
#26516801 - 03/04/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Humidity may well be a problem, but 11 days is really not a long time. If you birthed them before they started pinning in the jar, they may be still consolidating internally. The way I think of it, is if there is still nutrition available, mycelium is the preferred growing mode. Be patient, they will come in their time.
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: oldest hippie]
#26516850 - 03/04/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I’ll keep saying everytime this comes up, starting with either brf or wbs to coir shoebox should be the beginners grow.
So much less maintenance and more forgiving than fruiting cakes. Plus the yield.
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: A.k.a]
#26516853 - 03/04/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seriously i just got pins on my first of 3 shoe boxes (first grow ever) and I’ve literally done nothing but set and forget
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I just decided to start this on a whim so i went back to the same process that provided success the first time, when i did B+. Any good links as to where i can get some good info on this "shoebox" method? Seems the cakes are turning a bit blue as in from bruising. I do fan about 3 times a day and keep a fan blowing in front of the box. I always thought this was a good FC design because it provides constant humidity. With my B+, i used the same FC, didn't dunk or roll and put cakes directly on the lava rocks. So is the consensus to just leave things and be patient or turn off the bubble wands? Thanks
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: A.k.a]
#26516926 - 03/04/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
A.k.a said: I’ll keep saying everytime this comes up, starting with either brf or wbs to coir shoebox should be the beginners grow.
So much less maintenance and more forgiving than fruiting cakes. Plus the yield.
These cakes were either misted only once or not even once between several flushes. It's the way that all small substrates should be fruited if you ask me.. Can you have lower maintenence and faster results with spawning cakes?

    
Its called Humidity Chamber, link in the sig
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Edited by Mateja (03/04/20 05:29 PM)
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: Mateja]
#26517091 - 03/04/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cakes are good for experienced cultivation’s who want to fruit small cakes as fast as possible but I’d say for a noob stick with a shoebox or mono tub. So much more reward and less to go wrong imo shoeboxes are the cheapest and simplest tell and should be the go to
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26517311 - 03/04/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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just wait, cakes consolidate wether you want them to or not which is why we say wait after it colonized because it's just gonna sit there doing nothing either in the jar or in the fruiting chamber. at least in the jar it's pre dunk n roll
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: ZFungi] 1
#26518169 - 03/05/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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So EXCITING NEWS!! I thought the cakes were probably drying out. I removed the foil from beneath them and replaced with a screen. Look what i woke up to this morning!! AYEEEEEE!

Edited by ZFungi (03/05/20 08:11 AM)
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Re: 11 Days in FC No Pins... Whats Wrong? [Re: ZFungi] 1
#26518198 - 03/05/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cool! I’m excited for you. That’s a pretty big fruiting chamber for 6 cakes. When you fruit in containers that are only slightly bigger than the area surrounding the cakes, there’s less environment to maintain. Here’s an example of what I’m talking about

Something to think about for next time. Those cakes might be drying out.. you can tell by the bluing. You can put a small handful of wet verm on top of the cakes and keep wet by misting the verm layer lightly, daily.
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