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Just realized how absolutely ridiculous my fear of DMT is, I stepped on some thin ice while fishing today and went crashing through into the frigid water below but remained completely calm...put a dose of DMT in front of me and I'll immediately start sweating bullets and spend an hour prepping myself, makes absolutely no sense to me facing death scares me less than DMT and I've never even had an experience I'd even consider particularly difficult on it nothing compared to my rough LSD, shroom, aya trips and I'll dose those without a second thought. The hell is wrong with me.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Lophophora]
#26515779 - 03/04/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've had worse trips with L, mushrooms, etc. but so far, dmt has been chill.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Lophophora] 3
#26515785 - 03/04/20 03:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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It makes me hella nervous as well man. Nothing like the prospect of the destruction of consensus reality to give you the jitters.
I don't even prep for it if I'm gonna do it because it stresses me too much. Within 30 seconds of getting the idea I'll already be approaching the gates if I commit, don't even give myself a chance to doubt. Once through those gates the fear is gone.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Northerner]
#26515816 - 03/04/20 04:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Me too man, i've tripped countless times, i even guide others through their experiences with mushrooms but deemz has me shaking like a shitting dog even when im dosing other people.
I've had nothing but good vibes off it haha, i dont know what it is but i defo make it an issue.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Lophophora] 1
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Yeah I don’t think I much like it. I’m in the same boat to where I haven’t even got ‘there’. Something just doesn’t mesh, either maybe my head is in a funky place or I just don’t like it. Either way it just keeps never happening. Maybe I’m getting too old.
It’s weird because I used to have all kinds of wacky experiences with salvia, so that mechanism of ending up somewhere else was never an obstacle. My head just seems too fragile anymore, it’s sensitive to things that back in the day I wouldn’t bat an eye at. I think I may be a little too present, lucid, aware etc etc to ‘let go’ I guess you could say. I guess that makes sense. Maybe my heart’s just not in the game anymore..
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Amanita86]
#26515844 - 03/04/20 04:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the vasoconstriction gives your body an aversion. It's not the trip that's making people gunshy. Ever get the hiccups during a dmt trip it fucking blows
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Amanita86] 1
#26515846 - 03/04/20 04:53 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The thing with DMT is that the initial rush is so strong that it always takes me aback. Can be a chore taking another hit when you’re blasting off. “Nope, I’m good.” But as soon as the come up is done, which is super fast, it’s always been beautiful in my experience. But that doesn’t make it any easier, despite the number of times I’ve done it.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Dark_Star]
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I always get "anxiety" before I smoke dmt. After the come up though I'm good
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: numnum59]
#26515893 - 03/04/20 05:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can call it "pre flight anxiety".
It proves that you do have huge respect of the implications (positive like negative) of taking this strong psychedelic. This results in a healthy respect and might indicate a healthy risk awareness. Also it means that you don't underestimate the Spirit Molecule.
For me this sounds good.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Dark_Star]
#26515900 - 03/04/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have a little of that with everything where going in I’m thinking “oh this sucks why do I keep doing this to myself, ughhh” and then on the tail end I’m thinking, “should have gone way harder bruh”.. It’s like some dueling banjos of the mind or something.
I will say this though, I’ve managed to let myself get comfortable with a heftier than necessary kratom habit and have become aware that it adds a pressure in your head that doesn’t mix well with how psyches make your head super sensitive to what is going on. So that could very well be playing into the problem. The last time I dabbled in dmt I was in my drinking days and alcohol fucks up your head in a different way but similar manner so maybe in a roundabout way the deems are letting me know I have to cut that shit out before we proceed any further. That probably plays a role in the whole thing.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: SpearCaps]
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Smoking dmt is weird, it's not a preference of mine, id rather take mushrooms or another dmt analogue orally, as well as much rather take DMT orally. It just doesn't last very long, you can't retain much information, and you don't really get anything out of low doses(mainly because it doesn't last very long) at least with another dmt analog you can get profound long deep experiences with low doses paired with meditation. The whole experience of smoked DMT feels like it's not something you should be doing, the one time I tried to break through and saw the white light of the after life, that was enough for me, I don't need to return there until I actually die
It's just too much at once, it's like trying to prepare to shoot yourself in the head with a shot gun, you can't really prepare for something like that. I'd rather take the cyanide pill if I'm going for total death. To each their own 🤣
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I had one level 5 experience with DMT. Shot out of a cannon. Tumbling, tumbling, tumbling. Time was obsolete. I wasn’t human anymore. In fact, I seemed to have lost all memory of ever being human. That was a year and a half ago. Since then, I tried a few times to vaporize very small doses of DMT, doses that I knew wouldn’t send me over to the other side, and still I was sweating bullets.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: igorcarajo] 1
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Changa, and a good way to pace yourself while diving into DMT waters.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Sabnock]
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Guess in a way it does make a lot of sense, falling through the ice and thinking whelp this might be is isn't a weird feeling you just kind of feel numb trying to get your way back onto the ice against the current. With deemz you've got to think about it and as your sitting there with the dose in your hand or weighing it out even you start to obsess more than anything about what could happen even though 10 minutes later you'll be opening your eyes.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Sabnock] 1
#26516539 - 03/04/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sabnock said: Changa, and a good way to pace yourself while diving into DMT waters.

I agree mate. I tried straight freebase only once and didn't like it much. Much smoother experience with changa. Still get nervous beforehand, but at least the trips are multistage journeys rather than the psychedelic equivalent of mentos in coca cola.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Northerner]
#26516747 - 03/04/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I assume you basically die the only difference is your body doesnt cease to function, we basically die every night when we dream. From what ive heard you cant move, the scary part is probably the brain telling you youre awake id assume. I dont think you should let your fear decide whether you take dmt tbh but no one can tell you not to be afraid of it. The fear of going where no man has gone, I think its why were afraid to get mauled by a bear or eaten by a shark, its a fear every animal has probably, the fear of death. Dmt could be the reason every animal fears death, theres nothing scary about returning to a state before birth but a journey into the unknown? Its a nice thought...but then i think wait, insects dont have brains, not really anyways lol There must be no insects in the after life
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Backbone]
#26517373 - 03/04/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I had my first entity experience this past weekend and I’m very nervous of doing it again. It’s insane how fast you go from sober to blast off. I have the best DMT I’ve ever vaped right now too which in a weird way makes me even more nervous. I think I’ll do it in the dark next time as having the lights on and having no clue where I’m at was surreal. I’m a decent person but I think bring good energy into it makes it more positive.
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Changa FTW for sure.......mix up some different blends and find the mix of harmalas that works best for you. You can completely control your blast velocity and bump it too when you like. And ripped in a bong you can get deep in one hit if that’s your thing.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: SynKyd]
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I need to do that then. It was my first genuine blast off too but still. 0-100 way too fast. I think it would be fun to be just below breakthrough, but be able To sustain it. Another random thought. Have you done DMT/Changa while on LSD? I feel it was easier to handle for some reason. It was still very powerful, but I personally feel completely whole on a few tabs, then smoking a little Changa would be great I’d assume.
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Changa on LSD is my all time favourite combo.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Lophophora] 1
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The drug is already teaching you, via your reaction to it, before having even taken it.
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Won't say I haven't learned from it but some of my most profound experiences have been with insufflated DMT 60-100mg 30 minutes beforehand, most definitely more DMT like than aya guess something about the slower come up and increased duration lets me do more work. I mean I deal with my brain trying to kill me on a regular basis (though I've narrowed down my seizure triggers to physical vibrations and am trying various means to reduce them in my home), have been hit by cars, poisoned, drugged, and been completely and suffered organic psychiatric organic psychosis, poverty and always managed to bounce back, why am I letting a drug that has NEVER hurt me scare me I mean I'll drop 250+ mics of LSD and eat shrooms or other tryptamines 45 minutes later and handle a rough ride for hours maybe bawling my eyes out or being in absolute bliss but 10 minutes of DMT scares me even though I always feel so glorious and comfortable afterwards it's just odd to me.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Lophophora] 2
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Don't beat yourself up over the fear. It shows respect for the substance. Nothing wrong with that. I've done many grams of DMT over the years, and although I've had occasional moments of fear under its influence, my PRE-FLIGHT jitters (as I like to call them) are manageable.
Lots of people have (I hate to call it this) irrational fears or fears out of proportion to the actual threat. Claustrophobia, agoraphobia, fear of snakes, spiders, etc., etc. You may be able to desensitize your fear by doing VERY small amounts that you KNOW can't hurt you...and slowly work up from there a couple of milligrams at a time.
Hope it helps.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Northerner]
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Either DMT or changa on the back end of L can be quite special!
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: SynKyd]
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Back end is key. I’ve found that smoking it too early on in the trip tends to sober me up once it wears off, as the contrast is pretty stark. Can be hours after until the fact that I’m still tripping becomes apparent again. Granted the last time I mixed the two it was 100 mics of L, which isn’t enough to fully immerse me, so the contrast was quite stark indeed. The thing is though, I’m hesitant to blast off on stronger doses these days. When I take enough to immerse myself, a process unfolds. I like to focus my experiences & be ritualistic about them. Therefore it’s important to me to allow the process to unfold in order to glean the benefits which I seek. DMT is so powerful, and so otherworldly, that IME it alters the direction of the experience too profoundly to allow this unfolding to continue & resolve. That defeats the purpose for me. Whereas with lower doses it’s not quite the same, and therefore the DMT mixes in better.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Dark_Star]
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I've only smoked DMT at the tail end of a trip once (mushrooms) but it was really incredible and I highly recommend it.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Psicomb]
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I've done lower vaped and smoked doses many times, they tend to be quite dysphoric for me actually not exactly bad actually I've found them far more valuable the the 4 times I've broken through as I can maintain the state for a longer period of time (actually very long time as one of my meds slows down the metabolism of tryptamines significantly, last breakthrough was 30mg vaped in 2 15mg doses 10 minutes apart, caught me by surprise). When I extracted my first gram it lasted me all of 3 weeks trying to get my technique down smoking nightly before I finally achieved my first breakthrough. My wife absolutely loves it as it's the only psych that gives her a trip on reasonable doses (she needs at least 1,400 mics of LSD for mild effects and is still talking at 2mg but describes a trip I'd find on par with 150-175 mics headspace wise but the full physical response to the dose ie; transient paralysis, massive bouts of emesis, heavy body load from pure cid, 7g shrooms was equivalent to maybe a gram for me from the same batch ie slight headspace shift, mild tint shifting and brighter vision). Probably going to vape next time my friend comes up as he had a horrific failed breakthrough attempt when he tried it and I ended up having to restrain him because he kept trying to walk around while out of his body and freaking out but he wants to try again with a higher dose to ensure he gets enough in him.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Lophophora]
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A ten strip doesn’t do much for her?? I’ve read about that before but damn. Not accusing you of lying, but you know what I’m saying. That’s heavy. Is she on meds?
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She isn't on anything that would reduce sensitivity, she's got an insanely high tolerance to weed too she'll use it for pain a couple times a week and needs to eat 400mg thc to feel it, only things she overreacts to are NMDA antagonists which she needs lower doses than I would. She recently started moclobemide so we'll see if that makes any difference when she trips next since it's a RIMA. But seriously we started her at 250 mics for LSD knowing she didn't respond to other psyches very intensely and took it up a few hundred at a time until she hit 1,700 where she started really tripping and it honestly seems like 100 mics hits her like 10. DMT properly vaped still takes her 50mg to break through which I know is on the higher end. OUr best bet is her dyspraxia because she has several friends with it who all require insanely high doses.
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In all seriousness OP, don't psych yourself out (pun intended).
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What are your guys' opinions on hitting some DMT after the mushroom peak? I've read it makes it much easier since you're already cruising, as opposed to instantly going 0-100?
I'm planning on trying to learn how to work with dmt sometime soon in the future. I smoked some changa 1,5 years ago when i was still inexperienced with psyches and it wasn't pleasant, nor did it have much positive after effects. I didn't breakthrough mind you, just got to the waiting room of weirdness and was relieved when i got back. I don't really want to repeat that experience, but using it to deepen a mushroom journey might make it worthwhile.
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Try it, see what you think man. Your reasoning is sound.
Lots of people love the combo, lots of people find the DMT headspace scary no matter how they approach it. It's a personal thing and no one can tell you how you're going to feel about it.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Northerner]
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Yeah, only way to know is by experience. Maybe one can never be fully "ready" to enter the DMT space. Or only if you can get over the fear of instant death, a minor hurdle due to that whole "preference for being alive" thing. Wishing everyone the best in their quest to overcome fear
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same thing happens to me the moment i put it in my head "your gonna do dmt" my heart throbs. like i just ran a mile as fast as i can. no amount of telling my self to clam down ever works till i hit the bowl.
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TheEschatologist said: What are your guys' opinions on hitting some DMT after the mushroom peak? I've read it makes it much easier since you're already cruising, as opposed to instantly going 0-100?
I'm planning on trying to learn how to work with dmt sometime soon in the future. I smoked some changa 1,5 years ago when i was still inexperienced with psyches and it wasn't pleasant, nor did it have much positive after effects. I didn't breakthrough mind you, just got to the waiting room of weirdness and was relieved when i got back. I don't really want to repeat that experience, but using it to deepen a mushroom journey might make it worthwhile.
How many have done this, out of curiosity?
I've never considered mixing another drug experience with DMT. I honestly think DMT is all you'd need, arguably the only drug you'd never really "need" to double up on with anything. Personal preference, though.
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Mushrooms and dmt go very well together. I have only done it once, though, smoking some dmt while on a small dose of shrooms (~2g).
As shrooms are technically a sort of dmt (psilocin is 4-ho-dmt) they synergize very well together. On shrooms you are already half way in dmt land. The comeup on dmt then is very smooth and not too confusing. I liked it a lot.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Pandemoon]
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I got you. I guess personally I'd enjoy the massive contrast between a clean head and a DMT trip. I could see the benefit of a small dose of shrooms, though! Good stuff, my friend.
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I have done DMT on lower doeses of mushrooms (1g-2g) and it was a bliss. No pre flight anxiety and smooth transition. This was back when i used pure DMT freebase though. Not sure how it would react with Changa.
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Me to. Deems scares me more than anything out there. Maybe its the unknown or guarenteed unknowness that does it.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Pandemoon]
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Bill_Oreliey said it was one of the best combos hes ever done. I cant wait to try it out this Summer.
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Might have to man up and actually smoke it soon, did 300 mics of LSD and 4 grams of shrooms yesterday swear it felt like I broke into hyperspace machinescapes, self transforming entities that appeared strikingly similar to Hopi Kachinas but with a heavy Haida vibe with all the eyes and creatures within creatures this lasted for roughly 3 hours though time meant nothing to me, felt fucking weird though because I was fully aware of who and what I was but like I was transported somewhere else with my body and ego intact.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Lophophora]
#26537009 - 03/15/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Definetely mushrooms prepare you well for DMT (or vise versa).
I did 3,5g yesterday and with some meditation i easily got into a low-medium DMT trip in my head.
Psilocin is 4-Ho-DMT after all.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: SpearCaps]
#26537134 - 03/15/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Smoking dmt has been my most difficult and fearful experience besides a monster mushroom dose that was bad.
But dmt is very uncomfortable for me. Soon as i geta bit deep with it not even blasting off im like fuck this make me sober again, never again.
Been a while since i tried any.
Still love it. Microdosing it has always been great.
Curious about it. I need to do another extraction or id prolly be trying it out still. Prolly be a while for i have time for that
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: SpearCaps]
#26537135 - 03/15/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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SpearCaps said: Definetely mushrooms prepare you well for DMT (or vise versa).
I did 3,5g yesterday and with some meditation i easily got into a low-medium DMT trip in my head.
Psilocin is 4-Ho-DMT after all.
Mushrooms and smoking dmt isnt the same ballpark ime. Different games. Ive gone pretty deep with mushrooms, nothing alike for me, but maybe just me
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Enkidu]
#26538243 - 03/16/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fair enough, the 3,5g was my highest dose so far and this is my reference.
Still then Mushrooms have on certain dosage similarities with DMT.
Of course it is most prevailent when you close your eyes and navigate like on DMT.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: SpearCaps]
#26538354 - 03/16/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah i have seen some similarities before at higher doses.
Maybe its the rapid onset.
Dmt you have no time or chance to ease it. Its bam, super saiyan.
Mushrooms ease you into it a bit
Maybe its that instant onset that scares the fuck out of me idk. But the feeling is always very uncomfortable for me if i do more than a tiny bit
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Enkidu]
#26538564 - 03/16/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Have to agree with Enkidu here, shrooms come up slowly enough that you're able to relax into the experience with DMT it's sober to total obliteration in less than a minute. Even some of the 4-sub tryptamines you can insufflate don't compare to vaping DMT...sure when I get the balls to try sniffing my 5-meo it'll be far more intense though.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Lophophora]
#26538583 - 03/16/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Who said i was speaking of vaping freebase? Changa is still DMT and has a nice, smooth onset
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Lophophora]
#26538588 - 03/16/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Smoked dmt is very fast and frantic. But orally they are more similar, shrooms and dmt. Oral dmt is pretty much like an advanced mushroom trip.
I bet smoked psilocin would be as hefty as smoked dmt. 
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Pandemoon]
#26538824 - 03/16/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah that first minute of DMT is a rough ride. I can never get over how quickly the visuals kick in, it's stunning
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Its the feeling and headspace eyes closed that i find difficult on dmt. Its always weird and uncomfortable to me.
Multiple times ill go "fuck fuck fuck never again, take me back (to sobriety)" ill tell myself its not for me, never again, then soom as i come down im very intrigued about it once more...
You can smoke shrooms ?
Yeah maybe oral dmt is more akin to shrooms.
Even changa is hard for me
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Pandemoon]
#26538882 - 03/16/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I suppose if it was a possibility then it would be a thing but you figure one of those chemistry fellows could take something like 4-aco-dmt and switch it over to a smoke friendly freebase and get it to a compound that would behave similarly to nn dmt when vaped?
I’ve never had much luck with oral dmt because I’m always on some shit that doesn’t mesh with maoi but to me vaped dmt has a element of discomfort or I guess I just don’t like it, that even high dose mushrooms don’t have. I can panic and think I’m insane or stuck in a death sentence with shrooms and it always rounds out to me being appreciative and tuning into the ‘greater good’ of everything is going to work out. Vaped dmt is just like
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Enkidu]
#26538891 - 03/16/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: then soom as i come down im very intrigued about it once more...
Same here. It gets to the point where I’m telling myself “just rip it, do it” which is really odd considering I’m posting that I don’t seem to like it. I’m determined to get through for some reason though. It’s kind of an odd thing to be stuck in the middle of.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: SpearCaps]
#26538906 - 03/16/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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SpearCaps said: Who said i was speaking of vaping freebase? Changa is still DMT and has a nice, smooth onset 
So you go 0-100 in 10 seconds rather than 8.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Northerner]
#26539860 - 03/17/20 02:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Done changa, it's only moderately slower. It's definitely not the molecule that freaks me out, it's the ROA, I've insufflated decent doses with an MAOI and love aya it's the sudden onset that gets me I think. On the topic of smoking shrooms, guess someone could freebase some 4-AcO-DMT and give it a go, hear IV is pretty damn instant and intense but insufflated is a fast enough onset for me at somewhere between 5 and 10 minutes peaking in 20-45 depending on dose.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Lophophora]
#26540636 - 03/17/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you make the Changa using high to heavy dosages of Harmala extract rather than just basic Caapi leaf, and a weaker DMT content, it's much more manageable. But other ROA's are probably more manageable anyways. I prefer oral DMT.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Sabnock]
#26540778 - 03/17/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sabnock said: If you make the Changa using high to heavy dosages of Harmala extract rather than just basic Caapi leaf, and a weaker DMT content, it's much more manageable.
Do you have a recipe you prefer Sabnock?
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Yeah I'd love your TEK for changa Sabnock, at least what extraction method do you use for your harmalas and your ratios? Caapi or rue?
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