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Lophophora
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Might have to man up and actually smoke it soon, did 300 mics of LSD and 4 grams of shrooms yesterday swear it felt like I broke into hyperspace machinescapes, self transforming entities that appeared strikingly similar to Hopi Kachinas but with a heavy Haida vibe with all the eyes and creatures within creatures this lasted for roughly 3 hours though time meant nothing to me, felt fucking weird though because I was fully aware of who and what I was but like I was transported somewhere else with my body and ego intact.
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SpearCaps
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Lophophora]
#26537009 - 03/15/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Definetely mushrooms prepare you well for DMT (or vise versa).
I did 3,5g yesterday and with some meditation i easily got into a low-medium DMT trip in my head.
Psilocin is 4-Ho-DMT after all.
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Enkidu
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: SpearCaps]
#26537134 - 03/15/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Smoking dmt has been my most difficult and fearful experience besides a monster mushroom dose that was bad.
But dmt is very uncomfortable for me. Soon as i geta bit deep with it not even blasting off im like fuck this make me sober again, never again.
Been a while since i tried any.
Still love it. Microdosing it has always been great.
Curious about it. I need to do another extraction or id prolly be trying it out still. Prolly be a while for i have time for that
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Enkidu
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: SpearCaps]
#26537135 - 03/15/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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SpearCaps said: Definetely mushrooms prepare you well for DMT (or vise versa).
I did 3,5g yesterday and with some meditation i easily got into a low-medium DMT trip in my head.
Psilocin is 4-Ho-DMT after all.
Mushrooms and smoking dmt isnt the same ballpark ime. Different games. Ive gone pretty deep with mushrooms, nothing alike for me, but maybe just me
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SpearCaps
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Enkidu]
#26538243 - 03/16/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fair enough, the 3,5g was my highest dose so far and this is my reference.
Still then Mushrooms have on certain dosage similarities with DMT.
Of course it is most prevailent when you close your eyes and navigate like on DMT.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: SpearCaps]
#26538354 - 03/16/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah i have seen some similarities before at higher doses.
Maybe its the rapid onset.
Dmt you have no time or chance to ease it. Its bam, super saiyan.
Mushrooms ease you into it a bit
Maybe its that instant onset that scares the fuck out of me idk. But the feeling is always very uncomfortable for me if i do more than a tiny bit
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Lophophora
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Enkidu]
#26538564 - 03/16/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Have to agree with Enkidu here, shrooms come up slowly enough that you're able to relax into the experience with DMT it's sober to total obliteration in less than a minute. Even some of the 4-sub tryptamines you can insufflate don't compare to vaping DMT...sure when I get the balls to try sniffing my 5-meo it'll be far more intense though.
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SpearCaps
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Lophophora]
#26538583 - 03/16/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Who said i was speaking of vaping freebase? Changa is still DMT and has a nice, smooth onset
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Pandemoon
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Lophophora]
#26538588 - 03/16/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Smoked dmt is very fast and frantic. But orally they are more similar, shrooms and dmt. Oral dmt is pretty much like an advanced mushroom trip.
I bet smoked psilocin would be as hefty as smoked dmt. 
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Pandemoon]
#26538824 - 03/16/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah that first minute of DMT is a rough ride. I can never get over how quickly the visuals kick in, it's stunning
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Enkidu
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Its the feeling and headspace eyes closed that i find difficult on dmt. Its always weird and uncomfortable to me.
Multiple times ill go "fuck fuck fuck never again, take me back (to sobriety)" ill tell myself its not for me, never again, then soom as i come down im very intrigued about it once more...
You can smoke shrooms ?
Yeah maybe oral dmt is more akin to shrooms.
Even changa is hard for me
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Pandemoon]
#26538882 - 03/16/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I suppose if it was a possibility then it would be a thing but you figure one of those chemistry fellows could take something like 4-aco-dmt and switch it over to a smoke friendly freebase and get it to a compound that would behave similarly to nn dmt when vaped?
I’ve never had much luck with oral dmt because I’m always on some shit that doesn’t mesh with maoi but to me vaped dmt has a element of discomfort or I guess I just don’t like it, that even high dose mushrooms don’t have. I can panic and think I’m insane or stuck in a death sentence with shrooms and it always rounds out to me being appreciative and tuning into the ‘greater good’ of everything is going to work out. Vaped dmt is just like
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Enkidu]
#26538891 - 03/16/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: then soom as i come down im very intrigued about it once more...
Same here. It gets to the point where I’m telling myself “just rip it, do it” which is really odd considering I’m posting that I don’t seem to like it. I’m determined to get through for some reason though. It’s kind of an odd thing to be stuck in the middle of.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: SpearCaps]
#26538906 - 03/16/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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SpearCaps said: Who said i was speaking of vaping freebase? Changa is still DMT and has a nice, smooth onset 
So you go 0-100 in 10 seconds rather than 8.
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Lophophora
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Northerner]
#26539860 - 03/17/20 02:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Done changa, it's only moderately slower. It's definitely not the molecule that freaks me out, it's the ROA, I've insufflated decent doses with an MAOI and love aya it's the sudden onset that gets me I think. On the topic of smoking shrooms, guess someone could freebase some 4-AcO-DMT and give it a go, hear IV is pretty damn instant and intense but insufflated is a fast enough onset for me at somewhere between 5 and 10 minutes peaking in 20-45 depending on dose.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Lophophora]
#26540636 - 03/17/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you make the Changa using high to heavy dosages of Harmala extract rather than just basic Caapi leaf, and a weaker DMT content, it's much more manageable. But other ROA's are probably more manageable anyways. I prefer oral DMT.
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Re: Ridiculous fear of DMT [Re: Sabnock]
#26540778 - 03/17/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sabnock said: If you make the Changa using high to heavy dosages of Harmala extract rather than just basic Caapi leaf, and a weaker DMT content, it's much more manageable.
Do you have a recipe you prefer Sabnock?
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Lophophora
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Yeah I'd love your TEK for changa Sabnock, at least what extraction method do you use for your harmalas and your ratios? Caapi or rue?
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