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Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation
    #26515574 - 03/04/20 12:28 AM (11 months, 22 days ago)

I don't know if this thread belongs in mush cult, psychedelic experiences, or philosophy, so I stuck it in pub.

I know that for many people mushrooms are a sacred sacrament.  Reading a thread in PE I saw several people talking about how "dealer shrooms" were grown with bad, greedy, money making vibes and they felt like they got bad trips from them because of this.  I haven't personally had that experience, but I also come from a tradition that doesn't frown on making a living the way many do.  What I made this thread for was folks to talk about how their spiritual view toward shrooms intersects with their growing practice. 

I know I have seen singing/talking to your shrooms specifically disparaged by some trusted cultivators, basically as unfounded woo, but that's one simple, harmless way to get intention into the grow.  One that makes sense to me is trying to grow in a way that is in harmony with the earth.  My tradition puts a lot of value on sustainable living and in that vein I am not planning on using disposable petri dishes and intend to make as much of my waste biodegradeable as possible.

I also intend to treat the grow itself as a sacred object, make sure my mind is in the right space when I tend the shrooms, dispose of spent substrate etc in a reverent manner, like the corpse of a pet, rather than like simple garbage. 

Does anyone else have thoughts on how best to put sacred energy into your grow?


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: Babylon] * 1
    #26515612 - 03/04/20 12:59 AM (11 months, 22 days ago)

I just think dealers grow exclusively PE etc hella potent shrooms and if it's not hella potent it doesnt make it to market.

My bad for only addressing one part of your post I just think that's how the "hella potent dealer shrooms" meme came to life


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26515629 - 03/04/20 01:13 AM (11 months, 22 days ago)

I'm pretty sure none of the shrooms I've bought were PE, I dunno, maybe they don't look like dicks once they are dried.  I also see a lot of folks saying dealer shrooms are less potent.  I don't really care about that one way or the other, I have definitely seen people saying they picked up on bad vibes from shrooms grown for profit, not too strong a trip but a bad trip.


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: Babylon]
    #26515647 - 03/04/20 01:41 AM (11 months, 22 days ago)

This might fit in the Spirituality forum, but heres good for now i think.

Ive bought dealer shrooms on a number of occassions in the past when i was a teen. The effects of dealer shrooms are not very friendly: They are "overly" potent and have the worst mind-fuck/chaotic effects Ive ever experienced. Completely different than MS homegrown.

Because of these unfriendly dealer shrooms, I definitely have a negative view of dealers who sell them. Do they not know what the shrooms are like? Have they even taken their own shrooms? Are these effects really the best way to convey what shrooms are like to people who buy them?

As for treating shrooms as a sacrament/sacred item, i dont exactly do that. However, i treat them with respect by misting them when needed and giving them the proper conditions they deserve. I know some people like to sing/talk to their plants, which is great and probably has a positive effect. Im sure it does have some kind of positive effect on shrooms as well, i would think.

How the thoughts, feelings and intentions of a grower affects the outcome of the growing shroom is an interesting subject. Wish there was more information on it and if it really has an effect on shrooms.


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: Babylon] * 2
    #26515673 - 03/04/20 02:11 AM (11 months, 22 days ago)

I deeply believe that the mushroom experience is Sacred, and that growing the very things yourself is part of that very Sacred experience. Pesonally I would never eat a shroom I didn't grow. But that's just me. All spiritual endeavors require discipline; as do growing your own, so IMO they work synergistically. What I mean by that is 1+1 = 2, but with a synergistic component 1 + 1 = 3 or more.


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: scarabaeus] * 2
    #26515695 - 03/04/20 02:42 AM (11 months, 22 days ago)

I think they're just mushrooms. Nothing more or less. I always took the whole "dealer shrooms" thing to be an inside joke. Shrooms are shrooms. There's no way there's some secret to making hectic potent shrooms that isn't known on this site. Calling them sacred is just projecting subjective opinion on external reality. Shrooms are no more sacred than cows.

People having bad trips on dealer shrooms is purely set as well, not attributable to the actual shrooms... Imho.


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: Northerner]
    #26515706 - 03/04/20 02:55 AM (11 months, 22 days ago)

Hella potent shrooms = PE, APE, etc...come on dude dealers just grow exclusively those. Why? You'd rather have someone complain "too" potent vs "not potent enough I want my money back" BS. While I dont agree with treating shrooms that way I completely understand the perspective of these dealers.


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: Northerner]
    #26515708 - 03/04/20 02:59 AM (11 months, 22 days ago)

Said the guy whos never bought dealer shrooms :smug:

By my guess, dealer shrooms are some kind of isolate or clone of a specific strain. Not sure what yet.


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #26515728 - 03/04/20 03:30 AM (11 months, 22 days ago)

Where do dealer shrooms come from? Is there a mushrooms growing cartel? Everyone else on this site has the same consistent results with cubensis. Sure some notable strains are more potent and people can clone for great genetics. But with all the diverse people who come through here with experience in dealing we'd think there would have been an expose on dealer shroom cultures in the last 20 years.

Maybe I'm just logically extrapolating but missing a critical piece of info. I'm open to anything that will add to my understanding though.

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Hella potent shrooms = PE, APE, etc...come on dude dealers just grow exclusively those. Why? You'd rather have someone complain "too" potent vs "not potent enough I want my money back" BS. While I dont agree with treating shrooms that way I completely understand the perspective of these dealers.



Makes sense to me.


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: Northerner]
    #26515730 - 03/04/20 03:38 AM (11 months, 22 days ago)

Well, the guy i got them from grew them at his house. Dealer cubes come from high-skilled mushroom growers, sold for profit, and likely are small, homegrown operations. I doubt theres a cartel around shrooms, but would be kinda cool if there was :grin:

I have seen "commercial" photos on Erowid but mine came from one guy. I tried to find that Erowid pic but couldnt find one :shrug:


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: Babylon] * 1
    #26515732 - 03/04/20 03:47 AM (11 months, 22 days ago)

I don't have an experience with dealer shrooms, since its easy to grow em here in the tropics, a thing is a thing although when in comes to vege produce mines are sweeter and tastier tenfold my family commented, compared to the freshly picked store brought ones. I dont sing with them or etc, Just care for the soil beneath them and let them & nature do the rest. Seems plants knows you care for em that they will return the favor. And that bond or connection is sometimes swayed to another direction when it comes to mass producing. So i Guess it depends on the source.


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: pacmanbreed] * 1
    #26515735 - 03/04/20 03:49 AM (11 months, 22 days ago)

Very good point about the mass production! :thumbup:

When things are grown in small batches/sizes, they seem to always taste better. Applies to anything really.


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: scarabaeus]
    #26516723 - 03/04/20 05:34 PM (11 months, 21 days ago)

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I deeply believe that the mushroom experience is Sacred, and that growing the very things yourself is part of that very Sacred experience. Pesonally I would never eat a shroom I didn't grow. But that's just me. All spiritual endeavors require discipline; as do growing your own, so IMO they work synergistically. What I mean by that is 1+1 = 2, but with a synergistic component 1 + 1 = 3 or more.





This is the sort of discussion I was looking for.  For me spirituality isn't a solitary pursuit, so I can definitely enjoy mushrooms grown by someone else in a spiritual way, as long as that is someone I respect, but I also think there's something to be said for growing them yourself.  You are bonded with them in an intimate way.  It's like a wizard making his own wand.

Can you talk a little about your growing methods?  Are there things you do specifically to get your spirit into the shrooms or to let them know that you consider them sacred?


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: Babylon]
    #26516764 - 03/04/20 06:01 PM (11 months, 21 days ago)

I’ve heard people mention weird things start to happen when they grow shrooms.  Anyone ever have some weird stuff happen?


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: Amanita86]
    #26516798 - 03/04/20 06:18 PM (11 months, 21 days ago)

Weird like how?

It definitely messes with your mind when you first start growing. It's pretty much an overwhelming obsession for a lot of us. That's pretty weird in itself.

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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: Northerner]
    #26516877 - 03/04/20 07:05 PM (11 months, 21 days ago)

I think toilets are sacred


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26518828 - 03/05/20 04:43 PM (11 months, 20 days ago)

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I think they're just mushrooms. Nothing more or less. I always took the whole "dealer shrooms" thing to be an inside joke. Shrooms are shrooms. There's no way there's some secret to making hectic potent shrooms that isn't known on this site.....

...People having bad trips on dealer shrooms is purely set as well, not attributable to the actual shrooms... Imho.






I feel the same.


I always thought the whole "dealer shrooms" thing was silly....As if the mushrooms that only dealers have are something totally different than what I or friends or nature grows...As if dealers have some sort of specific trick that makes their mushrooms super potent that no body else has, as if they have some trick they use so that their mushroom will always catalyze a hectic/intense experience....As if dealers have some sort of specific trick that they use so that their mushrooms will always catalyze an unfriendly and hectic trip...lol wut!?..

There is nothing logical about that at all....What alkaloid, or what specific components, or what is it that only mushroom dealers do that make their mushrooms "extra potent and hectic and unfriendly"...?...That makes no sense to me at all.


The mushrooms I've got from "dealers" in the past, the mushrooms I've got from friends that grow their own, and the mushrooms that I pick myself from patches that I have found around my area....all of the mushrooms I've ate over the past 10+ years, they're all the same to me...I've certainly had some trips that were more intense than others, I've certainly had some trips that were a bit hectic, but that has never correlated specifically to the source of the mushrooms I consumed....I've never ate a mushroom and had the thought/feeling, "these are dealer mushrooms" :rolleyes: :lol: .

The whole "dealer mushrooms" theory doesn't make any sense to me at all. I don't believe it even the slightest bit.




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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: Northerner]
    #26518832 - 03/05/20 04:46 PM (11 months, 20 days ago)

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I think they're just mushrooms. Nothing more or less. I always took the whole "dealer shrooms" thing to be an inside joke. Shrooms are shrooms. There's no way there's some secret to making hectic potent shrooms that isn't known on this site. Calling them sacred is just projecting subjective opinion on external reality. Shrooms are no more sacred than cows.

People having bad trips on dealer shrooms is purely set as well, not attributable to the actual shrooms... Imho.




I agree. I do also agree that the best mushrooms you can get are the ones you grow yourself, like cannabis. I do feel like I'm "reset" the next day after I go on a mushroom journey. I think it "enlightens" me and makes me feel spiritual/connected to the earth/universe no matter where I've gotten them from. I haven't bought a whole bunch though. I have been growing and picking since 2003, the reason I registered here.


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: openmind]
    #26518929 - 03/05/20 05:34 PM (11 months, 20 days ago)

I thought it was just a joke..:awesketch:

Isn’t there a graem floating around?


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Re: Treating mushrooms as a sacrament, and the ramifications for cultivation [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26518957 - 03/05/20 05:44 PM (11 months, 20 days ago)

I thought it was a joke as well, been using "dealer shrooms" as a piss take for years. Didn't realise people thought this was a thing anymore than having an M next to your forum name means you sell MDMA.


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