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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #26514674 - 03/03/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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You really think that Congress can eliminate tax havens in foreign lands? All of K street would not allow it.  I thought it was cool to stay out of other countries.




I'm not talking about invading panama, or the Netherlands. I'm talking about sanctions. Our government has managed to destabilize or topple virtually every socialist regime, the world over. We can handle a few tax havens, and they are few. We could have made arrests, when the panama papers came to light. Our government doesn't want to stop tax evasion, because it is bought and paid for by billionaires.

Last debate, Bloomberg even had a Freudian slip, in which he admitted to  buying dozens of senators.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: SirTripAlot] * 2
    #26514727 - 03/03/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Will never work....ever hear of offshore accounts? There are entire countires who thrive in hiding funds.Businesses organized in a way where it is next to impossible to determine who owns them? There will always be a super rich class.




The US can use all sorts of sanctions, tariffs and taxes to make it very difficult to hide money in off shore accounts.  Do you think billionaires really want to use banks in Iran or Russia to hide money?  Not at all.

If the US and EU decide taxes/regulations are going to eliminate billionaires, there's nowhere to hide in my opinion.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26514740 - 03/03/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Fare enough;I will concede that Congress could do it. But I think it would be naive to think that they will. (I know you know that) Even if we took out just the Caribbean accounts other bumfuck countires would open up their gates. Even Bernie would not be able to keep playing the Wack a Mole game.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26514745 - 03/03/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Why would you want to keep your billions in a “dumbfuck” country? Do you think dumb fucks can be trusted? Is the risk of loosing everything better than paying a small share of what you make in taxes?


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: qman]
    #26514746 - 03/03/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Q, you really think sanactions work for thier intended purpose? How long have we had them on Cuba? 50+years and they are still around. I cant ever see the US congress putting on sanctions to take out billionaires.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26514753 - 03/03/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I said "bumfuck" your reply of "dumbfucks" is an afront to all "bumfuck" countires out there:shocked:

These offshore accounts are popular for a reason. If billionaires didnt get thier money with a smaller cut taken, they would not be popular at all.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26514774 - 03/03/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Only the dumbest of US billionaires keep the bulk of their wealth in bank accounts.
99% of it is in stocks, bonds and other shit that is resistant to inflation.

Why take money overseas when the US barely charges you to keep it here?

Offshore accounts are for millionaires and money launderers- small fish


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26514827 - 03/03/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If someone gave me 100 billion dollars tomorrow I would keep 1 billion and use the rest to make the world a better place. After I died my 1 billion would also go to charity's. I look at people like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates as horrible disgusting people. They could be doing a lot of good with their money but they choose not to. Sure billionaires like Bill gates like to brag about how they give money to charity's but I personally think they're full of shit. They'll give charity's like 20 million dollars and keep the other 100 billion for themselves. Jeff Bezos and a couple others basically destroyed every small business in America and they continue to want more. The reason they keep doing it is because they have a high IQ and know there's no afterlife and that life is basically meaningless. Although it is meaningless I still care about humanity so I would try to help. They only care about themselves.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26514837 - 03/03/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Oh man, I agree with your sentiment, but you gotta take Bill Gates out of that poast.

Bill is one of the few billionaires who does charity for charities’ sake


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26514838 - 03/03/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Unsure what  taxes we are talking about, but, several countries  offer less tax on revenue:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-is-the-world-s-biggest-corporate-tax-haven-say-academics-1.3528401%3fmode=amp

Ireland is the biggest “tax haven” in the world used by multinationals to shelter profits, according to a new study by economists from the United States and Denmark.

The research from academics at the University California, Berkeley and the University of Copenhagen estimates that foreign multinationals shifted $106 billion (€90 billion) of corporate profits to Ireland in 2015.

This was more than all of the islands of the Caribbean combined ($97 billion/€83 billion), and well ahead of Singapore ($70 billion/€60 billion), Switzerland ($58 billion/€49 billion) and the Netherlands ($57 billion/€48 billion), according to the researchers.


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Edited by SirTripAlot (03/03/20 03:35 PM)


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #26514839 - 03/03/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Fare enough;I will concede that Congress could do it. But I think it would be naive to think that they will.



That's a fair point, but it all starts with voting out the establishment candidates.  Voting Bernie for President would be a huge step in the right direction.

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Even if we took out just the Caribbean accounts other bumfuck countires would open up their gates. Even Bernie would not be able to keep playing the Wack a Mole game.



How about simply making it illegal for US citizens and corporations to invest in tax haven countries?

Penalty for violating the law would be jail time for individuals and huge fines for businesses.  :shrug:


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26514849 - 03/03/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh man, I agree with your sentiment, but you gotta take Bill Gates out of that poast.

Bill is one of the few billionaires who does charity for charities’ sake




Bill Gates is worth 106.9 billion USD now in 2020!!! Sounds like he's into charity :lol: ..
He could give away 50 billion tomorrow and save countless children but he chooses not to! No he'll wait until he's dead to give it away because he's a selfish fuck.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: qman]
    #26514860 - 03/03/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Fare enough;I will concede that Congress could do it. But I think it would be naive to think that they will. (I know you know that) Even if we took out just the Caribbean accounts other bumfuck countires would open up their gates. Even Bernie would not be able to keep playing the Wack a Mole game.




I see your post, and raise you Qman's:

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Do you think billionaires really want to use banks in Iran or Russia to hide money?  Not at all.

If the US and EU decide taxes/regulations are going to eliminate billionaires, there's nowhere to hide in my opinion.




I should also add, that we're approaching a very new political era. One in which voters vote for candidates based on their voting record, and policy positions. We, the people, have the power to control our congress. The trouble is getting the American people to wake up to what is going on. That is beginning to happen, though.

It won't be long before millennials, and their children are running the show, and boy are we Tenacious.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Shenmue]
    #26514869 - 03/03/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You sure about that?
What if It turned out he DOES give half his earnings to charity? Would you google the stuff you claim before poasting it?

https://www.businessinsider.com/tech-billionaires-who-donate-most-to-charity-2019-1
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  Bill Gates — 45.6%
The Gates family has donated more than $36 billion since the foundation launched in 2000, and Bill Gates has also donated billions-worth of Microsoft stock to the organization.





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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Shenmue]
    #26514872 - 03/03/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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If someone gave me 100 billion dollars tomorrow I would keep 1 billion and use the rest to make the world a better place. After I died my 1 billion would also go to charity's. I look at people like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates as horrible disgusting people. They could be doing a lot of good with their money but they choose not to. Sure billionaires like Bill gates like to brag about how they give money to charity's but I personally think they're full of shit. They'll give charity's like 20 million dollars and keep the other 100 billion for themselves. Jeff Bezos and a couple others basically destroyed every small business in America and they continue to want more. The reason they keep doing it is because they have a high IQ and know there's no afterlife and that life is basically meaningless. Although it is meaningless I still care about humanity so I would try to help. They only care about themselves.




Life is not meaningless. Life doesn't have to go on forever, to have meaning. Meaning, in this life, for most people, is not about acquiring shit, it's about social connection, and interactions. It's about the intangibles.

The real shame about Capitalism, is that it devalues the things that give life real meaning. It clouds our vision, and most people do not understand what is important, and have no real purpose in their lives, but self indulgence.

There are so many ways to derive meaning from this life.

Regardless, billionaires these days are investing loads of money into longevity schemes, hoping to cheat death.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26514890 - 03/03/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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You sure about that?
What if It turned out he DOES give half his earnings to charity? Would you google the stuff you claim before poasting it?

https://www.businessinsider.com/tech-billionaires-who-donate-most-to-charity-2019-1
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  Bill Gates — 45.6%
The Gates family has donated more than $36 billion since the foundation launched in 2000, and Bill Gates has also donated billions-worth of Microsoft stock to the organization.









He gave away 36 billion then keeps 107 billion for himself :drphil:. Why the fuck does he need 107 billion? Even if he had 807 billion and gave 700 billion away why the fuck does he need 107 billion fucking dollars? You couldn't spend that in a thousand lifetimes.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26514891 - 03/03/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I can only hope we vote for candidates  based on position and policy. Glad that millennials are in the political game; watch out for old age, it does fuck with you and change one's mind.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #26514892 - 03/03/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

There are men, and families, in this country with more wealth than the GDP of whole countries.

Stop imagining what they could do with that money, and start imagining what we the wealth creators, the workers, could do with that money.

Billionaires did not create their wealth. The stood upon our necks. They choked every last fucking penny they could wrangle out of the working class. When the recession hit, all of the factory jobs in my area were paying $8/hour, and we were working 12 hour shifts. People were desperate, and what did the rich, investor cunt class do? They circled like vultures, after we BAILED THEM OUT. They made us SUBSIDIZE with grants, just to stay in our state, or country.

That is not their fucking money. We created that wealth, and we need to take control of it.

We're engaged in class warfare folks, and the billionaires are dropping bombs, while most people have no idea they are even at war.


You know what they want from you now? They want your Social Security. They want to get rid of the EPA, so they can wreak havoc on the environment. They want to lower education standards. They are a FUCKING CANCER.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26514894 - 03/03/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm talking about the big picture! I'm not talking about the whole "you give your own life meaning" bullshit.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26514897 - 03/03/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I am not that far behind you, woof. I just dont see how a multitude of non billionaires would agree where to spend the money vs. a solo billionaire; as in, the decision process of one, compared to many.

For better or worse, there does seem to be a changing of the guard in how people think and vote in this country.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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