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OfflineJoeyFatone
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Mold; salvageable?
    #26512570 - 03/02/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Most of it is covered in Mycelium. Is this salvageable? Can I still grow from it? Should I take out the cake and attempt to cut it out?

I saw this, for example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/4l83k8/dont_throw_away_those_contaminated_mycelium_so/

And I know that sometimes the mycelium can overtake, although it's probably not the best idea to continue.

What do you guys think? It's clearly mold. But is this salvageble?

Thank you!



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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: JoeyFatone]
    #26512575 - 03/02/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Another idea I'm playing with is taking nutritious soil, putting it in a pot, in a different room, and seeing what happens. Ideas? I don't want to give up on it right away, if there's a chance; albeit a small one, that it'll still work.


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: JoeyFatone]
    #26512601 - 03/02/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I don’t see any mold🤷🏻‍♂️


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: feldman114]
    #26512619 - 03/02/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
I don’t see any mold🤷🏻‍♂️




Uploading some better pics. It's kinda blueish, hey?



I'm totally okay if the mycelium will grow over it. Like, I'll eat it lol. I just want to see if this is salvageable.


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: JoeyFatone]
    #26512633 - 03/02/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It’s not mold, dude.
Prolly bruising, or nothing at all. The jar looks bacterial, but good enough to spawn unless it stalls before 100% colonization.


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: feldman114]
    #26512639 - 03/02/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
It’s not mold, dude.
Prolly bruising, or nothing at all. The jar looks bacterial, but good enough to spawn unless it stalls before 100% colonization.




Oh sweet. Ya really think so? That would be amazing. Thanks man. Yeah if the mycelium overtakes, I'll still fruit it...

I mean my cat's cousin's left bedpost will still fruit it. Yeah.


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: JoeyFatone]
    #26512646 - 03/02/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just relax. They look fine.


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: oldest hippie]
    #26512649 - 03/02/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Just relax. They look fine.




Oh yeah? Nice. Thanks! So the blueish is likely bruising? Others here were saying that previous jars were mold and they look the same, so I'm hoping you're right! I probably shouldn't have tossed the others then haha!

Thanks mate!


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: JoeyFatone]
    #26513171 - 03/02/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

One more opinion would be great. I can't say the lighting does it justice. The blue looks like it's "deeper" into the substrate. The lighting makes it look more grey, but it's really blue. Like as blue as the buttons on this site. Not at all grey or "off white". Literally blue.

But it's really blue and does look like mold. I really don't think this is bruising. Are you guys sure this isn't mold or bacterial, or "done for"? Will the mycelium overtake it?
Just trying to be thorough and don't want my other work to become contaminated. It looks more blue than the picture shows. And less "dull".

Thanks!



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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: JoeyFatone]
    #26513202 - 03/02/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

i think the splotch looks a bit suspect so I wouldn't be so eager to say it's for sure pure mycelium. how many other cakes have you / will you birth? personally if i were you i'd would still cherish this jar and try to birth it, but in a separate fruiting chamber for 'problem children' this way your main harvest is unbothered. in any case you still have a good bit before this jar finishes colonizing. if it's indeed mold you'll find out soon enough and there's no harm in waiting. but the paranoid side of me would recommend patching up the holes on the top of the jar if youre letting it colonize next to your other healthy jars on the incredibly remote (read: practically impossible) chance that it contaminates the others.


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: sighmun]
    #26513211 - 03/02/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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i think the splotch looks a bit suspect so I wouldn't be so eager to say it's for sure pure mycelium. how many other cakes have you / will you birth? personally if i were you i'd would still cherish this jar and try to birth it, but in a separate fruiting chamber for 'problem children' this way your main harvest is unbothered. in any case you still have a good bit before this jar finishes colonizing. if it's indeed mold you'll find out soon enough and there's no harm in waiting. but the paranoid side of me would recommend patching up the holes on the top of the jar if youre letting it colonize next to your other healthy jars on the incredibly remote (read: practically impossible) chance that it contaminates the others.




Thanks mate. Yeah it's definitely blue. This is the issue other jars of mine had. I have 1 left, aside from this one - started with 6... yeah... - and it's almost fully covered with mycelium; more-so than this one, with no signs of contamination (at least that I can see...) - I'm heavily suspecting mold, as it's the same blue-blue colour that the other jars had before I tossed them (although, to be fair, I tossed them immediately and didn't give them time to further colonize, so I only saw tiny blue splotches such as that- possibly smaller..) I've now got it on the complete opposite side of my room (which is fairly far away imo) so I hope that's "separate" enough.

As per the link I've posted before, they say that it can be salvageable- what are your thoughts on this? It was my understanding that mycelium doesn't grow 'over' mold. I'm a bit weary of tossing it, as it's almost fully colonized (at least from the outside). If is is contam, would you say it's still possible for the mycelium to overtake the blue spot and fruit? I know best practice is to be safe and not eat any fruits that come from it, but I'm really uncaring in that regard.

Just really hoping it'll still overtake the... whatever it is.

Thanks mate!


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: JoeyFatone]
    #26513240 - 03/02/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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sighmun said:
i think the splotch looks a bit suspect so I wouldn't be so eager to say it's for sure pure mycelium. how many other cakes have you / will you birth? personally if i were you i'd would still cherish this jar and try to birth it, but in a separate fruiting chamber for 'problem children' this way your main harvest is unbothered. in any case you still have a good bit before this jar finishes colonizing. if it's indeed mold you'll find out soon enough and there's no harm in waiting. but the paranoid side of me would recommend patching up the holes on the top of the jar if youre letting it colonize next to your other healthy jars on the incredibly remote (read: practically impossible) chance that it contaminates the others.




Thanks mate. Yeah it's definitely blue. This is the issue other jars of mine had. I have 1 left, aside from this one - started with 6... yeah... - and it's almost fully covered with mycelium; more-so than this one, with no signs of contamination (at least that I can see...) - I'm heavily suspecting mold, as it's the same blue-blue colour that the other jars had before I tossed them (although, to be fair, I tossed them immediately and didn't give them time to further colonize, so I only saw tiny blue splotches such as that- possibly smaller..) I've now got it on the complete opposite side of my room (which is fairly far away imo) so I hope that's "separate" enough.

As per the link I've posted before, they say that it can be salvageable- what are your thoughts on this? It was my understanding that mycelium doesn't grow 'over' mold. I'm a bit weary of tossing it, as it's almost fully colonized (at least from the outside). If is is contam, would you say it's still possible for the mycelium to overtake the blue spot and fruit? I know best practice is to be safe and not eat any fruits that come from it, but I'm really uncaring in that regard.

Just really hoping it'll still overtake the... whatever it is.

Thanks mate!




while i don't really have the wisdom to say whether the mycelium will take over the mold a good idea could be to allow the jar to reach full colonization + week of consolidation before birthing / running water over it from the faucet before taking a whiff. at this point it's critical you recognize exactly what healthy mycelium smells like to be confident the suspected mold hasn't taken over. moreover if the cake starts to crumble under the faucet you'll know for sure the cake is lost. in my mind if you manage to birth the cake without any further signs of contamination and get healthy-looking fruits from it you ought to be just fine


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: sighmun]
    #26514560 - 03/03/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just an update. See guys? I don't think this is good. But some of you say it's okay? Is there a chance the mycelium can overtake this? I'd be okay if it can. I do see some white growing under (as in "below", vertically. Not underneath as "inside") the blue, so maybe?





For some reason you can see the blue being a bit lighter in these photos, as it gives more of an off-white appearance, with some blue, when in reality, it's pretty much just. blue. But it's bright blue. No off-white there.

Just want to check in and see if there's a chance this is salvageable and the mycelium can still overtake it. I've got it sitting on the other side of my room, away from my other jars. Thanks!


Edited by JoeyFatone (03/03/20 01:03 PM)


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: JoeyFatone]
    #26514568 - 03/03/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Look guys. I usually never say toss em. But that's toast. I would put that thing in my PC and kill what ever is in it before opening. It is definitely mold, mycelium will never win out over mold, but mold can hide in mycelium.

After looking at it again I'm pretty sure it is mold, but less sure than 5 minuets ago.


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26514583 - 03/03/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I would wait before tossing them. See what developes in the next couple of days. I wouldn't toss them until I was absolutely sure.


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: oldest hippie]
    #26514756 - 03/03/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That’s mold.


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: SynKyd]
    #26514808 - 03/03/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks guys.

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SinysterKyd said:
That’s mold.




Yeah.

Think it'll grow over it? In the OP of this thread, I posted a reddit thread where some dude successfully fruited from a contam'd cake. I've read a lot of people say that it won't "take" any nutrients from the mold and that the people who say that don't know what they're talking about- but I don't know what I'm talking about so I thought I'd ask haha . I've also read from other places it can sometimes overtake the mold.

Can I risk and and still have fruits? Thanks!


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: JoeyFatone]
    #26514812 - 03/03/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Take another pic. Mold would take over that jar in a day or two, max. That entire area would be moldy for sure by now.

I’m not saying it’s not (those new pictures are deff suspect compared to the ones in the OP), in fact it prolly is, but don’t be so quick to judge.. When myc grows from the inside out, it can look pretty weird and gray-ish.


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: feldman114]
    #26514835 - 03/03/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

that looks nothing like bruising to me at all.

That is almost definitely a contamination, possibly penicillium but can't really be certain

A jar that colonized isn't necessarily going to be overtaken by the mold so quickly like you say. The jar is fucked but the mycelium is still trying to fight the mold off..

I could be wrong here but from the pictures, looks like mold to me.


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Re: Mold; salvageable? [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #26514848 - 03/03/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Like I said, you’re prolly right🤷🏻‍♂️

But wouldn’t mold overtake the uncolonized parts seen in the pics by now? I’m still seeing some vacant real estate


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