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OfflinePrimalSoup
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26512931 - 03/02/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I always point them at the shroomery.  Saves a lot of time and sorting out.  The fungus will find you if you want it to.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26513161 - 03/02/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm glad at the healthy approach of many people here.

Once we start giving out psychedelics for money like everyday consume good, people will become careless and might hurt themselves.
Better to give some to friends and educate them.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: SpearCaps]
    #26513909 - 03/03/20 03:15 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

footpath, it sounds like your entire argument is based upon the "A few bad apples..." metaphor. It can be an attractive position to take, because it allows one to endow mushroom growing, cultivating, eating, and sales with being so sacred that it needs to be a purely spiritual endeavor. This is fine if the context is religious or sacrosanct, but we also live in a physical world and the majority of the west, and even most of the east these days, embrace some form of capitalism and a free market economy. I get your desire to elevate mushrooms to the level of sacred and ceremonial, and from that position, its easy to deduce that by selling to people, even if you are a very honest, reputable, even spiritual grower and seller, your casting your lots with the charlatans and the snake-oil salesmen, and this conjures up images like the one you posted early in this thread, as well as some used car salesman with slicked back hair employing sleazy sales tactics to sell as many cars as possible.

Moreover, you are also asserting the position that selling mushrooms to make some money, no matter how honest you may be, is automatically bad because of the stigma surrounding disreputable drug dealers.

You know what the problem with your position is, though? You are assuming that this is exclusive to shrooms. I can tell you right now that every profession worth mentioning has a stigma that even reputable members of have to contend with. Just as an honest shroom dealer looking to score some cash does. If a man wants to be a car salesman, no matter how honest and upstanding he is, he will always carry the stigma of the sleazy dealers. I am a chiropractor, and I can name not one, but perhaps a dozen stigmas my profession has foisted on me, due to many unscrupulous or wackadoo practitioners.

The point is, stigma shmigma, who cares? If someone wants to make money selling shrooms, I say Godspeed to you! Screw the stigma, screw the reality that many of your so-called competitors are scuzzy drug dealers who would sell to kids in the playground if they thought they could get away with it. Just do your thing if that's what you're called to do. The day you discard a financial path because some people in it are disgusting people is the day you should just resign yourself to going on welfare and never having a job of any kind again.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26513952 - 03/03/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ooooooo.


You are going to have to put some of footpaths quotes into your post for me.

I just reread the last few of footpaths posts, at least back to the car salesman metaphor.... I think you are possibly responding to the wrong person, or taking his arguments in a way he didn’t intend, or god forbid, intentional misrepresentation.

I might be wrong.... but I am not connecting your post with much of what he said. Quoting would help.

I don’t think he is assuming it’s only shrooms..... that’s why the car dealer metaphor?

I also didn’t see anywhere that he implied all shrooms sold are bad, mmmkay.

I’m not sure he even wants to exclusively elevate shrooms to the sacred..... several times in a few posts, he has said “hey do what ya want”





Edited by Shr00mEater (03/03/20 05:34 AM)


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26513964 - 03/03/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Shr00mEater said:
Ooooooo.





Okay, I'll re-read the thread. If I unintentionally misrepresented your post, footpath, I sincerely apologize. I thought you were the one railing against people endeavoring to make a living or side living selling shrooms.

Edit: I just re-read the entire thread, and I definitely, albeit unintentionally, took footpath completely out of context. My apologies, footpath.


Edited by LSA Woodrose (03/03/20 06:48 AM)


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26514032 - 03/03/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The ONLY thing that's shitty about giving out mushrooms or selling them - is somehow someway I feel responsible for them when they take them.

Then itll come back to haunt you like "what the fuck did you give me".. if they have a bad trip or something and it escalates into something so much more than what you intended. And all you were doing was trying to share the experience.

This is why I only give out mushrooms to people I'm hanging out with that I know well. My buddy's and I go on hikes, I'll break out some capsules and if they say they want some, I don't hesitate.

That's the thing about mushrooms too - it's not like "oh fuck yeah I want some", "oh me too, me too!"

When I ask or they look at me it's always a "should I or should I not" type of vibe lol. Mushrooms definitely aren't the drugs to get abused in that sense. Which it definitely does make it hard so sell them if that's your thing. I've sold some of my stash a few times. Ounces for $50. Everyone's happy. But it was more of a favor. And the only reason I charged was because I didn't want people saying "oh you're giving me these free.. why.." lol.

So I just told people I have a connection that picks them out in the wild and has an absurd amount so he sells me them for dirt cheap.

Everyone wins
:anticipation:


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast] * 1
    #26514454 - 03/03/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Vibe_Enthusiast said:
The ONLY thing that's shitty about giving out mushrooms or selling them - is somehow someway I feel responsible for them when they take them.

Then itll come back to haunt you like "what the fuck did you give me".. if they have a bad trip or something and it escalates into something so much more than what you intended. And all you were doing was trying to share the experience.

This is why I only give out mushrooms to people I'm hanging out with that I know well. My buddy's and I go on hikes, I'll break out some capsules and if they say they want some, I don't hesitate.

That's the thing about mushrooms too - it's not like "oh fuck yeah I want some", "oh me too, me too!"

When I ask or they look at me it's always a "should I or should I not" type of vibe lol. Mushrooms definitely aren't the drugs to get abused in that sense. Which it definitely does make it hard so sell them if that's your thing. I've sold some of my stash a few times. Ounces for $50. Everyone's happy. But it was more of a favor. And the only reason I charged was because I didn't want people saying "oh you're giving me these free.. why.." lol.

So I just told people I have a connection that picks them out in the wild and has an absurd amount so he sells me them for dirt cheap.

Everyone wins
:anticipation:




Absolutely, vibe_entusiast. That’s exactly where I was coming from. With the colleague I referred to, I did so much research on his behalf, because I felt responsible. One thing he’d told me was he got his anti-depressants of the dark web (SNRIs), but then one night drinking his customary bottle or two of Prosecco, he blacked out. When he woke up he’d smashed his iPhone against the wall, smashed his Xbox, and put his fist through his telly! That’s why I tried to help him. Then he assured me he had a trip sitter and he wouldn’t do the full 5g. But he had no sitter, did the full 5g. What a TWAT!

Recently though, same thing for my bestie. Again done loads of research (he has no health issues.....) and spoke to loads of peeps on here. Unfortunately he’s now gone to Germany, so I’ll have to probably wait 3 years till he returns.

As PrimalSoup said above; just point them to the shroomery and let them decide. If it’s right, the mushrooms will find them.

Mush love people,
DJ Ed


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26514479 - 03/03/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

LSA Woodrose said:
Okay, I'll re-read the thread. If I unintentionally misrepresented your post, footpath, I sincerely apologize. I thought you were the one railing against people endeavoring to make a living or side living selling shrooms.

Edit: I just re-read the entire thread, and I definitely, albeit unintentionally, took footpath completely out of context. My apologies, footpath.



All good, buddy.
I'm not claiming that my views are any more right than anyone else's. I'm one to usually submit to nihilism... moral codes are fickle and, with that, terms like 'disgrace'.
And that's why I particularly like language.
No matter what an individual may think/feel about this discussion... there is, without a doubt, a stigma that is assigned to shroom (and any) dealers. And people find it bothersome. People even find it bothersome that a stigma exists. So, it's kind of a rhetorical question when it comes down to it.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
    #26514821 - 03/03/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Obviously theres a stigma on people who ingest psychedelics, starting with hippies, then i think people like terrence mckenna came along, and we started to take them more seriously like how everything literally everything ever is treated by people, first doubt and ridicule then serious consideration, just our resistance to change. The stigma always rests on the people who ingest the drug, if for whatever reason we feel the person dealing them is working their clients, which they are, and therefore are more intelligent, which theyre not; Depending on which side of the coin we're on, we may defend our position. The one thing I think we all acknowledge about the relationship between a "dealer" if you will, and a consumer of mushrooms, is that the relationship doesn't really exist, your body doesn't get addicted to mushrooms like it does to heroin, Its a totally different ball game. You can stop at any time, you can find a new person to buy from, or you can grow them yourself. I think its all in my head tbh lol Its just kind of a joke.


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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone]
    #26516743 - 03/04/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Who cares!!  come buy my cubes!! lmao


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