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First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions * 1
    #26513876 - 03/03/20 02:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hello, i've been reading and browsing a lot in the forum, in the past months before embarking in this hobby... I've started with pf tek last month, and was good 'till now, the most unclear part of the tek for me, which is fruiting... I constructed my sgfc with a tote i found but i'm not sure the size is right, seems to tall to me...



I'm also not totally sure if added enough perlite, i have an extra bag and if some of you feel it should have more of it i'll try to add it in...
I'm asking since this is what my cakes looked like 2 days ago







and this is what they look like now, they seems like they're drying up a little, right?





Last thing, the fuzzy thing that's seems like is coming out of the cakes, is it normal? Does it just need more fae or is it contam?
I know that for some of you this will look like amateur work or like i'm asking silly questions, and I apologize for opening a new topic for this, I tried only searching for info in the forum but i just wanted to be sure of what i'm doing... :grin:


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26513884 - 03/03/20 02:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

the fuzzy stuff seems like mycelium to me..I can’t tell if theres any contam at all though... as long as you see clean white and no cobweb or mean green, I think you’ll be alright for the most part, but I am also a noob, just prefer the Monotubs , I’m sure someone else will give their opinion:stoned:


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: ToxicMush]
    #26513886 - 03/03/20 02:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Gonna wanna keep misting it all looks good though


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26513888 - 03/03/20 02:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah? no need to add some perlite then? I ask because from the pics i seem to find on the internet all the totes seem smaller or with more perlite than i thought...


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26513899 - 03/03/20 02:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You have enough perlite that's putting out humidity but not real moisture to your cakes. Get a mist bottle an just keep the surface moist. Don't spray enough to wash away the casing layer tho just enough to to where water is always evaporating off. Triggers pinning.:thumbup:

That's also gonna allow your casing layer to be better colonized by the mycelium.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26513933 - 03/03/20 04:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Mist more and move your cakes closer together. The fuzzy is good, it means the cakes are recovering and growing out on the vermiculite. You can add more perilite if you want. I would because you have so few cakes in such a large SGFC you might benefit from the extra perilite.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26514004 - 03/03/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Will do, i'll add more perlite tomorrow and try and mist better... :smile:


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26514166 - 03/03/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Definitely add more perlite. I like my perlite half way up the chamber.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26514297 - 03/03/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I never did SGFC but would it help here to pile extra perlite up on the sides since there’s so much space?

Or would that screw up the airflow/evaporation


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26514476 - 03/03/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

PF Tek calls for 5 inches of perlite with an even surface. Can't tell from your pic, but grab a ruler and measure. I can't imagine adding more than 5 inches would hurt (I am new though so don't take my word as gospel), but you definitely don't want to be under 5 inches.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: A.k.a]
    #26515565 - 03/03/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I doubt it would mess up the aerodynamics of it.

I use about 6inches of perlite. Works great!


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26515743 - 03/04/20 02:03 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Added more perlite this morning, and also put a humidificator in the room since i'll be gone 'till the evening and won't be able to mist... I noticed that the sides of my cakes seemd a little dry, hope this will help!


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound] * 1
    #26515840 - 03/04/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Just to understand, since they've been in the sgfc for a few days now, how long can i keep 'em in there hoping they will fruit? couple of weeks?


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26515945 - 03/04/20 06:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If you're worried about the perlite drying out, it will last longer than you'll ever need. You can just replace lost moisture through misting. That's actually more than you need. The cakes would perform muchbbetter if the sgfc were crowded with cakes. I hate sgfcs. Consider crumbling cakes to hydrated coir in a shoebox.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Neowynd8]
    #26515977 - 03/04/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I haven't really read how to do brf to bulk... Would this be the case? Is it still possible in case i don't see any pins in the next week?

Thanks to all the replies, btw...


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26516084 - 03/04/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Those cakes will pin give it time. It's to late for brf to bulk because of being out in open air so long and the unsterilized verm casing. Maybe cut back on fae by covering some of those holes if it's drying out on you. It is a big tub for just four cakes. Should be fine tho.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26516104 - 03/04/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ok then, thanks... I guess i only needed some reassuring... :tongue:


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26516266 - 03/04/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I’m pretty sure you could still shred them to coir if you wanted. I also hate cakes though, shoeboxes are way easier.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: A.k.a]
    #26516370 - 03/04/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Don't shred them now. To late, went into consolidation. They will fruit. And I wouldn't humidify the room. You want dry air outside and  it will increase you RH by the normal design of the SGFC. Also blocking off holes will probably impeed the design of the SGFC. Just mist more when you can. Cakes always start to look dry before pinning. Surface evaporation is you #1 pinning trigger.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Sockadin]
    #26516640 - 03/04/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Unless I'm missing something, nothing looks contaminated to me. I would add some more perlite, but other than that it looks good. Timing on how long cakes take to pin and fruit is inconsistent. Just keep misting and fanning and you should see results soon.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Magic Mushpoon]
    #26516676 - 03/04/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

OP you have enough perlite..


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26516717 - 03/04/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

With the Humidity Chamber, you'll never again have to worry about anything ever that's associated with fruiting in a SGFC. All elements that may cause problems with the sgfc are eliminated with the Humidity Chamber. :thumbup:


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Mateja]
    #26517878 - 03/05/20 02:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, i'll definitely not use a sgfc anymore, too much stress and i can't be there all day to misT!
This was just my first try, i'm sticking to it right now just to finish my first grow... I'm trying to keep the cakes humid, even though the sides are always a little dry, if in a few days nothing happen i'll try elevate the perlite layer a little more...


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26517902 - 03/05/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

With more perlite, it can hold more water thus last longer without misting. One of the biggest reasons for using as much perlite as possible.

One of the biggest downsides of the SGFC is it dries out too fast (from all the FAE) and adding maximum perlite helps to solve that issue.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26517952 - 03/05/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It's a design flaw.

You could just stick it in a shoebox or monotub. That's what I do.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26517970 - 03/05/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You mean just put the cakes in a shoebox, isn't it late for that?
I haven't really studied anything about monotub/shoebox etc...


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26517972 - 03/05/20 05:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Im pretty sure he means PF Tek to Bulk, which is not cake fruiting but shredding up cakes to use in a bulk substrate.

Stick with the SGFC for now, add perlite for extra moisture-emitting performance.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26517981 - 03/05/20 05:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, thanks... I added some more yesterday, but i've got some left... In case nothing happens during the weekend i'll use it all...


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26519084 - 03/05/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry for my unclearness in that post. I was just talking about putting it in a tub and fruiting as cakes. Less holes and traps humidity better than a sgfc while having good fae at the same time.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26519121 - 03/05/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Just a bunch of cakes inside a shoebox would probably outperform any sgfc no matter how much perlite you stuff it with. Once the perlite surface dries out it doesn't matter if you have 10feet of moist perlite underneath it won't matter cause perlite can not move water around and equalize the moisture levels. And if that was the only problem with sgfc that would be something.. It doesn't have adjustable FAE and that's probably the main deal breaker when it comes to being effective as a fruiting chamber for small substrates that are sensitive to too fast evaporation and it hardly helps drenching them with water 3 times a day, that's a good recipe for aborts. Another good recipe for aborts on the other hand is too much FAE so now we're back to square one with sgfc.


My best and only advise to someone using sgfc is simply to just mist the perlite daily and several times a day if needed. Forget about misting the cakes, you'll unevitably mist the cakes as well if you just focus on misting the perlite around the cskes and that's at least one way to make sure that cakes don't dry out too fast. But then again... Bla bla bla bla bla bla... Blabla.. :bongload:


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Mateja] * 1
    #26519449 - 03/05/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Mateah, you remind me of a car salesman. You always pop into these threads like the flex seal guy. Your constant hatred of the SGFC is your own opinion and I respect that. But if the guy is doing a SGFC why not offer help instead of saying. You should have used a Humidity Chamber. Bro it's a box with Coir, it's a dumb idea , but that it my opinion. We should respect both, I'm not trying to flame, so please. Don't take it that way, but I felt like I had to say something after reading all your posts.

That being said, I think it is time we looked at the difference between the benefits and downsides of a SGFC. If you live in an arid environment or a cold environment  they do not work as well as a semi humid or warm environment.  In the northern climate during winter the air is dry and people run the shit out of their heaters= more maintenance for a SGFC. If you live in the south or it is summer and there is more RH in your home and your not drying your place out running a heater the SFGC is almost set it and forget it if built correctly.

The truth is you can fruit mushrooms in a plastic bag in the dark. What we are aiming for is the best outcome and for this OP, add more perilite, move your cakes closer together and mist often. If your SGFC is still drying out take it off the elevated platform, boxes or bricks and set it on a table. Reducing the fast evaporation of the perilite and allow your chamber to build up more Humidity.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26519683 - 03/05/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Let them run their course for now in the SGFC.  I started with PF tek and a SGFC, then quickly moved to PF tek cakes > bulk in shoe boxes.  The brf cakes to bulk have been great for yields and they have lead me into starting to work with agar.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: SYF8]
    #26519868 - 03/06/20 01:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, i won't run a sgfc either, as i said too much work and mine probably isn't even built to spec: i think it's too tall, which prevents water from the mist too reach the sides properly... One thing i thought about is that maybe, during the roll, i should've used wet vermiculite for the sides, not dry... I read different opinions about that part but i went with dry since it's seemed like the most prominent one...
Anyway, with errors comes knowledge, even though nothing happens with this first tried i'll have learnt something...


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound] * 1
    #26522313 - 03/07/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

After 6 days i only got a couple of tiny pins, some lightly bruised cakes and the perlite seems all dried up... i'm thinking about rewetting it all but i have some questions:
1. should i maybe also cover some holes at the bottom since i guess it's not normal for the perlite to dry up after less than a week?
2. Is it normal if some of the perlite got in touch with the cakes and now they almost seems like they're absorbing it?

These are the cakes right now...




Sorry for all the questions, just trying to have a feedback on my grow, don't want to be left with only a handful of stalled pins...


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26522327 - 03/07/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Make one of these and finish up in. Your pins look a little malnourished. I think it could help.

Stick the cakes in there on little square pieces of foil and let em go. Have it to where you can open it up tho.




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    #26522343 - 03/07/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

what is that exactly?


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26522381 - 03/07/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Just a quick and easy fruiting chamber that's gonna trap humidity and have good fae. Just go by the picture if you do it.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26522413 - 03/07/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So you just put the cakes inside, without anything below except foil... No perlite then?


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26522958 - 03/07/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'd go with Mateah's humitidy chamber tek he posted above. It takes little work and yields good results. Bod also has a tek where he fruits the cakes in the jars and just puts a bag over them. It doesn't get much easier than that.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Magic Mushpoon]
    #26523225 - 03/08/20 01:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I like this alternative, thanks a lot... I'll give it a go in a few days once i get all the supplies... Meanwhile i'll slightly modify the sgfc by closing the side holes after getting the perlite wet again


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    #26523229 - 03/08/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Unwound said:
I like this alternative, thanks a lot... I'll give it a go in a few days once i get all the supplies... Meanwhile i'll slightly modify the sgfc by closing the side holes after getting the perlite wet again



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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Magic Mushpoon]
    #26524919 - 03/09/20 02:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

In the last few days a lot of pin are starting to appear... can anyone tell me if they are sane, hence if the fc and my misting schedule is working properly?

PS: the strain is B+



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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26524942 - 03/09/20 03:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Sockadin]
    #26524949 - 03/09/20 04:03 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks, i just thought they'd grow faster at this stage, i was worried i wasn't giving 'em enough humidity ... I'm usually a pretty patient person but this first grow is kinda putting a strain on me... :grin:


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26525351 - 03/09/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Wow that’s a nice pinset man.

lol don’t worry you’re almost there. Few more days.

Waiting on my first shrooms killed me too, once it was done and I had a little stash it was so much more relaxed.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26530159 - 03/12/20 01:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Omg, finally they're growing... How do they look?


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound] * 1
    #26530203 - 03/12/20 02:17 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

fan and mist, fan and mist! Keep up the good work! Lookin' good!


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26530270 - 03/12/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

those really are beautiful cakes with meaty mushrooms!


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: AtmozFear] * 1
    #26530323 - 03/12/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Should i already harvest some of these? I seem to see some caps already opened...


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26530347 - 03/12/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

let them go maybe a few hours more when the caps are opened and flatter. I personally like to wait until the veil is starting to break or right before because potency - letting it get bigger you lose potency to mass


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: woofwoof]
    #26530714 - 03/12/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Damn those came out great. You’ve got some nice clusters too.

I agree give them another 6-10 hours sometimes they seem to open the cap and then hit a quick growth spurt. Usually if the caps are open I’ll check the gills and let them keep growing if they’re not dark with spores.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26530862 - 03/12/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

They ended up looking great indeed, i'm very happy! I just harvested some and i knew the stem could turn blue but also some parts of the cake? Should i scrape that off, maybe when i redunk?



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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26530876 - 03/12/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

woofwoof said:
letting it get bigger you lose potency to mass




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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: AtmozFear] * 1
    #26530884 - 03/12/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

No don’t scrape the blue off the cakes, it’s just bruised myc.

That bottom left cake looks like it’ll be awesome, same with the cluster on the top right cake.

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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26530965 - 03/12/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, Thank you and everybody in this wonderful community which helps people with this amazing hobby!
I actually put the wrong photo, these are the cakes now


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26531190 - 03/12/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Be sure to grab some spore prints off of those:thumbup::mushroom2:


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26531201 - 03/12/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Nice job man! U should be proud of your first grow :mushroom2: :awesome:


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26538148 - 03/16/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So, my first grown has been great, now i'm trying second flush: i've redunk for 24 hours, and put back in cleaned and rewetted sgfc... I've just scraped off some aborts off of the cakes, but there are some blueish parts left of the mycelium which kinda concerns me... Also, i've opened the chamber to fan and i could smell something funky, which i definitely didn't smell the first time... Should i do something?


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26538791 - 03/16/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I tried to take all the blueish thing off but the smell is not good... I'm afraid I'll have to bury them.in my garden tomorrow


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26539091 - 03/16/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It all looks like bruising. Leave them in there and you will prolly get more flushes.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Neowynd8]
    #26539179 - 03/16/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It's just that the smell really is awful, i don't know if i'm being paranoid, but it's kinda like smell of something fermenting, so i wouldn't take the chance...
If i were to bury them, can i leave them overnight or can they be dangerous?


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26539183 - 03/16/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I would have cleaned the cakes off more before dunking. All those small mushrooms are probably dead. They'll be fine overnight and just fyi you are probably being a paranoid noob which is very normal


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: WyoMX]
    #26539255 - 03/16/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Don’t try to scrape the blue off, it’s myc.

Worst case it completely dies and new myc grows out of it, or it sits there.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: A.k.a]
    #26539292 - 03/16/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ahah, i'm sure i'm  being paranoid, must also be the times we're living...
But if you guys think it's just bruising how do you explain the smell of something that goes bad? I mean, it's really gross! It's just that  i don't wanna take chances, i've read of people getting sick because.of inhaling from contaminated cakes...


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26539304 - 03/16/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I’m not saying they’re not contaminated, just that the blue stuff is myc and happens a lot with cakes.

Could definitely be something else in there making it smell.


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