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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Magic Mushpoon]
    #26516676 - 03/04/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

OP you have enough perlite..


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26516717 - 03/04/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

With the Humidity Chamber, you'll never again have to worry about anything ever that's associated with fruiting in a SGFC. All elements that may cause problems with the sgfc are eliminated with the Humidity Chamber. :thumbup:


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Mateja]
    #26517878 - 03/05/20 02:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, i'll definitely not use a sgfc anymore, too much stress and i can't be there all day to misT!
This was just my first try, i'm sticking to it right now just to finish my first grow... I'm trying to keep the cakes humid, even though the sides are always a little dry, if in a few days nothing happen i'll try elevate the perlite layer a little more...


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26517902 - 03/05/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

With more perlite, it can hold more water thus last longer without misting. One of the biggest reasons for using as much perlite as possible.

One of the biggest downsides of the SGFC is it dries out too fast (from all the FAE) and adding maximum perlite helps to solve that issue.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26517952 - 03/05/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It's a design flaw.

You could just stick it in a shoebox or monotub. That's what I do.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26517970 - 03/05/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You mean just put the cakes in a shoebox, isn't it late for that?
I haven't really studied anything about monotub/shoebox etc...


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26517972 - 03/05/20 05:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Im pretty sure he means PF Tek to Bulk, which is not cake fruiting but shredding up cakes to use in a bulk substrate.

Stick with the SGFC for now, add perlite for extra moisture-emitting performance.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26517981 - 03/05/20 05:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, thanks... I added some more yesterday, but i've got some left... In case nothing happens during the weekend i'll use it all...


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26519084 - 03/05/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry for my unclearness in that post. I was just talking about putting it in a tub and fruiting as cakes. Less holes and traps humidity better than a sgfc while having good fae at the same time.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26519121 - 03/05/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Just a bunch of cakes inside a shoebox would probably outperform any sgfc no matter how much perlite you stuff it with. Once the perlite surface dries out it doesn't matter if you have 10feet of moist perlite underneath it won't matter cause perlite can not move water around and equalize the moisture levels. And if that was the only problem with sgfc that would be something.. It doesn't have adjustable FAE and that's probably the main deal breaker when it comes to being effective as a fruiting chamber for small substrates that are sensitive to too fast evaporation and it hardly helps drenching them with water 3 times a day, that's a good recipe for aborts. Another good recipe for aborts on the other hand is too much FAE so now we're back to square one with sgfc.


My best and only advise to someone using sgfc is simply to just mist the perlite daily and several times a day if needed. Forget about misting the cakes, you'll unevitably mist the cakes as well if you just focus on misting the perlite around the cskes and that's at least one way to make sure that cakes don't dry out too fast. But then again... Bla bla bla bla bla bla... Blabla.. :bongload:


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Mateja] * 1
    #26519449 - 03/05/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Mateah, you remind me of a car salesman. You always pop into these threads like the flex seal guy. Your constant hatred of the SGFC is your own opinion and I respect that. But if the guy is doing a SGFC why not offer help instead of saying. You should have used a Humidity Chamber. Bro it's a box with Coir, it's a dumb idea , but that it my opinion. We should respect both, I'm not trying to flame, so please. Don't take it that way, but I felt like I had to say something after reading all your posts.

That being said, I think it is time we looked at the difference between the benefits and downsides of a SGFC. If you live in an arid environment or a cold environment  they do not work as well as a semi humid or warm environment.  In the northern climate during winter the air is dry and people run the shit out of their heaters= more maintenance for a SGFC. If you live in the south or it is summer and there is more RH in your home and your not drying your place out running a heater the SFGC is almost set it and forget it if built correctly.

The truth is you can fruit mushrooms in a plastic bag in the dark. What we are aiming for is the best outcome and for this OP, add more perilite, move your cakes closer together and mist often. If your SGFC is still drying out take it off the elevated platform, boxes or bricks and set it on a table. Reducing the fast evaporation of the perilite and allow your chamber to build up more Humidity.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26519683 - 03/05/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Let them run their course for now in the SGFC.  I started with PF tek and a SGFC, then quickly moved to PF tek cakes > bulk in shoe boxes.  The brf cakes to bulk have been great for yields and they have lead me into starting to work with agar.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: SYF8]
    #26519868 - 03/06/20 01:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, i won't run a sgfc either, as i said too much work and mine probably isn't even built to spec: i think it's too tall, which prevents water from the mist too reach the sides properly... One thing i thought about is that maybe, during the roll, i should've used wet vermiculite for the sides, not dry... I read different opinions about that part but i went with dry since it's seemed like the most prominent one...
Anyway, with errors comes knowledge, even though nothing happens with this first tried i'll have learnt something...


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound] * 1
    #26522313 - 03/07/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

After 6 days i only got a couple of tiny pins, some lightly bruised cakes and the perlite seems all dried up... i'm thinking about rewetting it all but i have some questions:
1. should i maybe also cover some holes at the bottom since i guess it's not normal for the perlite to dry up after less than a week?
2. Is it normal if some of the perlite got in touch with the cakes and now they almost seems like they're absorbing it?

These are the cakes right now...




Sorry for all the questions, just trying to have a feedback on my grow, don't want to be left with only a handful of stalled pins...


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26522327 - 03/07/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Make one of these and finish up in. Your pins look a little malnourished. I think it could help.

Stick the cakes in there on little square pieces of foil and let em go. Have it to where you can open it up tho.




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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26522343 - 03/07/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

what is that exactly?


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26522381 - 03/07/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Just a quick and easy fruiting chamber that's gonna trap humidity and have good fae. Just go by the picture if you do it.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26522413 - 03/07/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So you just put the cakes inside, without anything below except foil... No perlite then?


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Unwound]
    #26522958 - 03/07/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'd go with Mateah's humitidy chamber tek he posted above. It takes little work and yields good results. Bod also has a tek where he fruits the cakes in the jars and just puts a bag over them. It doesn't get much easier than that.


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Re: First timer with pf tek, sgfc questions [Re: Magic Mushpoon]
    #26523225 - 03/08/20 01:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I like this alternative, thanks a lot... I'll give it a go in a few days once i get all the supplies... Meanwhile i'll slightly modify the sgfc by closing the side holes after getting the perlite wet again


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