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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: bodhisatta] * 6
    #26524092 - 03/08/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

recognizing the forces arrayed against one's interests is not the same as trying to portray oneself as a victim.
it's actually the first necessary step to combating said forces.
This isn't to say that capitalism hasn't allocated resources more effectively than other systems have in terms of generally reducing scarcity.  It is important to note, however, that profit motive has intrinsic limits in this regard.  There will always be a reason to allocate resources to where the highest profits can be gained rather than to where they are most needed, as an example.  The solution isn't to simply tell ourselves that this is natural and good but rather to put serious thought and effort into first imagining, then implementing mitigating regulations to the current system or alternative systems altogether.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26524119 - 03/08/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I think people should want more wealth and wealth for everyone. That's not ridiculous. Thinking billionaires have anything to do with it is ridiculous. I think if you're reasoning is getting rid of billionaires is helping your wealth situation you're trying to be a victim of "misdistribution" of wealth




So do you believe that Billionaires have zero effect on the social-economic class of everyone below them? If Billionaires did not exist, where would their money be exactly? Would their iow-gone wealth be redistributed to the masses?


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26524131 - 03/08/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If they ceased to exist today and were redistributed in any which way the relief would be temporary at best or negligible at worst.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 5
    #26524142 - 03/08/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

look, its a classic hate the game, not the playa situation.  It isn't about hating greedy people or whatever.  Those people have and will always exist.  Maybe we should ask ourselves why we allow an economic system to continue in such a way that it fosters high functioning psychopaths to excel to such financial pinnacles?  I'm not throwing that out as a general slur.  Business leaders present psychopathic tendencies at a rate far higher than the general population. 

1 in 5 business leaders may have psychopathic tendencies—here’s why, according to a psychology professor
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“I am a thrill seeker.”

“I like to get revenge on authorities.”

“I never feel guilty.”

“People who mess with me always regret it.”

If you think any of the statements above describe you, then you most likely have a tendency to display antisocial, callous and reckless behaviors. According a study dating back to 2010, there were at least three times as many psychopaths in executive or CEO roles than in the overall population. But more recent data found it’s now a much higher figure: 20 percent.




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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26524167 - 03/08/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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“People who mess with me always regret it.”





Life is to short to let people get away with shit .


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26524408 - 03/08/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

In 80s it was millionaires, 90s ,00s,and 10s it was billionaires, and soon....trillionaires?


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26524476 - 03/08/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Before we lump everyone together, lets recall that FDR was rich. And I'm not saying that all his motivations were pure. But he helped the poor and the middle as much as the rich.




Yeah, and FDR would have continued to be a rich cunt piece of shit if he didn't get Polio. FDR saved Capitalism from itself. He did the rich a favor.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #26524494 - 03/08/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I think people should want more wealth and wealth for everyone. That's not ridiculous. Thinking billionaires have anything to do with it is ridiculous. I think if you're reasoning is getting rid of billionaires is helping your wealth situation you're trying to be a victim of "misdistribution" of wealth




Do you think Jeff Bezos earns $150,000 a minute? No, he doesn't earn it, he receives it.

Our society is devolving into a feudal system, and you seem to think that's acceptable. Billionaires buy politicians, and political influence, now they are purchasing presidential elections. Billionaires like Steve Jobs marginalize poor workers in foreign lands, to the point that they commit suicide from the tops of his factories.

Billionaire capitalism reduces humanity to cogs in a machine. A machine that is designed to funnel money into the pockets of billionaires. When you go to work each day, that is what you are, believe it or not. You are a tool.

An ever devalued tool.

Billionaires would trade all of your oxygen in for cash, if they could. Nestle is sucking the great lakes dry to sell bottled water. They rape our natural resources.

OUR resources. Meanwhile, we in Michigan... Drink lead.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26524512 - 03/08/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, but Nestle hands out cases of bottle water for free!


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26524597 - 03/08/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
In 80s it was millionaires, 90s ,00s,and 10s it was billionaires, and soon....trillionaires?




If there aren't systemic changes, then yes, there will indeed be trillionaires.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #26524599 - 03/08/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Where do I pick up my free case of bottled water?


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26524605 - 03/08/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Where do I pick up my free water?




That water isn't free. It comes from my home state. It is our great lakes. A national treasure.

Honestly, it is very saddening to me. I love the great lakes. I love what we have here.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26524660 - 03/08/20 09:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Where do I pick up my free case of bottled water?



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Where do I pick up my free case of bottled water?




Flint, MI

They did a big ad campaign in MI after public waters being sucked up by Nestle while residents could not get kosher water.

Edit: woof the lakes is where its at....Sleeping Bear Dunes every summer.


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I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


Edited by SirTripAlot (03/08/20 09:25 PM)


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26525388 - 03/09/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Edit: woof the lakes is where its at....Sleeping Bear Dunes every summer.




My man

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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26526663 - 03/10/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Where do I pick up my free water?




That water isn't free. It comes from my home state. It is our great lakes. A national treasure.

Honestly, it is very saddening to me. I love the great lakes. I love what we have here.




It's named after your state, but even with relatively little shoreline Illinois and Indiana can suck as much out as they want. I guess the Great Lakes governors get to decide. It doesn't seem like the water level has been effected so far. It could be an issue down the road when the Western U.S. will probably need to start buying it.

Flint Michigan used to consume lake water until Republican politicians found it in their economic interest to poison their constituents.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26528025 - 03/10/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

We tried to give IL money to help fight the asian carp; cause that shit is hitting our waterways. Bumfuck IL wouldnt take it and did virtually nothing.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/12/30/illinois-rejects-money-michigan-project-stop-spread-asian-carp


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26528731 - 03/11/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

As the article said, both Governors were about to leave office, so I don't know what's going on with that now. Obviously the Illinois legislature wasn't going to sign on for a big money project coming from a lame duck.  Illinois keeps trying to find them in the Illinois River around Joliet, and there not there. Farther south they're plentiful, and people have gotten severely hurt or killed by getting hit by them when they jump. I'm not sure why they are calling them Asian carp now. They were calling them big head carp. All carp are Asian.

In the long run I think they will get into the Great Lakes. They're in at least 23 states now.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #26534302 - 03/14/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Where do I pick up my free water?




That water isn't free. It comes from my home state. It is our great lakes. A national treasure.

Honestly, it is very saddening to me. I love the great lakes. I love what we have here.




It's named after your state, but even with relatively little shoreline Illinois and Indiana can suck as much out as they want. I guess the Great Lakes governors get to decide. It doesn't seem like the water level has been effected so far. It could be an issue down the road when the Western U.S. will probably need to start buying it.

Flint Michigan used to consume lake water until Republican politicians found it in their economic interest to poison their constituents.




From what I understand, the water levels have been going down. I wasn't saying it's our water as in 'Michigan's' water. The great lakes belong to the American people, and Canada. Not fucking NESTLE.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26620086 - 04/22/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Still not a fan
but credit where it is due, this is at least holding to an honest and respectful view



him specifically referencing the ability to get a hamburger whenever he wants provides some concern he read our discussion over social currency and mcdoubles
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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #26620216 - 04/22/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Holy shit!

Also, this is exactly why I was defending Gates. Aside from him and maybe Buffet, I say eat all the billionaires.

We can make billionaire hamburgers :crazy2:


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