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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #26517768 - 03/05/20 12:17 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

They seem to heading in the right direction:

Switzerland to Tighten its Anti-Money Laundering Rules
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Known for the banking secrecy that has given the country its reputation as a “dirty money hub,” Switzerland now plans to tighten its anti-money laundering regulations and bring them in line with international standards.




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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26517778 - 03/05/20 12:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Oh nice!

I havent done any research on Swiss Banks so i have literally no clue :shrug:


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26517780 - 03/05/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

LogicaL Chaos said:
Oh nice!

I havent done any research on Swiss Banks so i have literally no clue :shrug:




Well, apparently I'm only half correct. It is quite absurd that a modern Western European country would function as a tax haven in this day and age, to me, but Switzerland is a pretty unique/strange place.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26517785 - 03/05/20 12:41 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like Falcon was right, the Swiss are cracking down on money laundering (finally): https://www.reuters.com/article/us-julius-baer-finma-idUSKBN20E1K7


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 4
    #26517802 - 03/05/20 01:03 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It's not about whether billionaires should exist.

It's about creating a new system where we all do not allow Greed to succeed.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Ryzo] * 1
    #26518107 - 03/05/20 07:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Greed is such a fundamental human trait.  We can't just ignore it and hope it goes away.  A system needs to channel that greed and make it a resource, if it's going to be successful.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Enlil]
    #26518650 - 03/05/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Greed is such a fundamental human trait.  We can't just ignore it and hope it goes away.  A system needs to channel that greed and make it a resource, if it's going to be successful.




I don't actually believe that Greed is a fundamental human trait, but it is possible that it is. If it is, I don't believe that it is necessarily ubiquitous. It seems quite evident, to me, that it isn't. People engage in many pursuits that, to them, "Trump" the almighty dollar.

It seems to me that there are traits in human beings, that can manifest as greed, which are fostered in such a way by Capitalism, that they do manifest as greed.

Any system, which creates and perpetuates the illusion of scarcity of necessary resources, fosters greed. What is the fear, with UBI? It's the people will stop working, because their needs can be met without toiling away their lives.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26518720 - 03/05/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Even if greed is a fundamental human trait, I'm sure people would still be driven to become hundred millionaires even if billionaires were taxed more.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26518946 - 03/05/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Greed doesn't have to be about money.  Greed predates money.  People want more.  More food, more women, more drugs, etc.  People want more than what they need.  That's obvious.  I can't think of a single human that isn't greedy.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Enlil]
    #26518955 - 03/05/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26519002 - 03/05/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Greed doesn't have to be about money.  Greed predates money.  People want more.  More food, more women, more drugs, etc.  People want more than what they need.  That's obvious.  I can't think of a single human that isn't greedy.




I've known one person who was selfless, utterly, but he got something out of it. It made him feel good to make other people happy.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26519059 - 03/05/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

That doesn't mean he wasn't greedy, though.  Unless he was living like a pauper and giving everything to the poor, he's greedy.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Enlil] * 3
    #26519164 - 03/05/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Greed doesn't have to be about money.  Greed predates money.  People want more.  More food, more women, more drugs, etc.  People want more than what they need.  That's obvious.  I can't think of a single human that isn't greedy.



It's hard-wired within us through millions of years of evolution. Survival of the fittest. To adapt is to get control over situations. When you have food you survive, the more food you have the safer for longer periods you are. The more luxury items most people have, the more self-worth they feel. The more control in society people have, the more power people have and can steer things more and more the way they like it so they can survive comfortably.

We delude ourselves thinking more materialism is better when in reality I think less is better. Less attachments to it all seems to be more healthy. Also donating most of your income to poverty-stricken human beings builds emotional communion, in communions we share things, we're stronger. Person X with billions of items isn't less happy with one less  one less item, while person Y with no items is poor and feels very depressed as he/she has nothing. If person X donate 1 item to person Y, person Y will likely get happier than what person X gets from having billions of items not giving anything away. I like to think person X would get happier giving away 1 item to person Y if person X got full details on Y and his/her struggles and how happy he/she got after receiving 1 item. It's evident, a homeless gets overjoyed if he/she can afford a hotel room so the homeless can shower and have a great sleep with an amazing breakfast to his/her standards. If a billionaire paid this for the homeless and the homeless videotaped his/her stay at the hotel I suppose most people would enjoy this video more than if they bought a new pair of expensive jeans. I know I would.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Enlil]
    #26519211 - 03/05/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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That doesn't mean he wasn't greedy, though.  Unless he was living like a pauper and giving everything to the poor, he's greedy.




I strongly disagree. Greed is insatiable.


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    #26519225 - 03/05/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Also donating most of your income to poverty-stricken human beings builds emotional communion, in communions we share things, we're stronger. Person X with billions of items isn't less happy with one less  one less item, while person Y with no items is poor and feels very depressed as he/she has nothing. If person X donate 1 item to person Y, person Y will likely get happier than what person X gets from having billions of items not giving anything away. I like to think person X would get happier giving away 1 item to person Y if person X got full details on Y and his/her struggles and how happy he/she got after receiving 1 item. It's evident, a homeless gets overjoyed if he/she can afford a hotel room so the homeless can shower and have a great sleep with an amazing breakfast to his/her standards. If a billionaire paid this for the homeless and the homeless videotaped his/her stay at the hotel I suppose most people would enjoy this video more than if they bought a new pair of expensive jeans. I know I would.




This gets to what I was saying recently, about the meaning of life. It's about connection with other people, not amassing wealth and goods.

As an addict, I've come to learn that people need a purpose. Without a purpose, life devolves into all manner of debauchery. It makes me feel good, to make others feel good. It makes most people feel good, to enrich the lives of those around them, and there is great return on that investment. Capitalism makes us believe that the only investments worth making are financial ones, but that is just not the case.

Everything is not for sale. Happiness and meaning, especially.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 3
    #26519352 - 03/05/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Connecting with other people is truly amazing. :heart:

I'll take a meaningful conversation with a likeminded any day over the latest iPhone.

If person X is trying to advance medical science to find a cure for cancer he/she's one person. If person X and person Y are trying to advance medical science to find a cure for cancer they're two people. They don't even have to co-operate, they're closer to finding the cure for cancer than if person X was doing it by him/herself.

What this means is if poverty-stricken humans get thorough support from wealthy humans we have a better chance at fixing our issues. It's evident: the more we are working for the same cause, the stronger we are.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Enlil]
    #26519856 - 03/06/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Greed doesn't have to be about money.  Greed predates money.  People want more.  More food, more women, more drugs, etc.  People want more than what they need.  That's obvious.  I can't think of a single human that isn't greedy.




It's the paradox of pleasure.

Pleasure causes suffering because we dread the fact it's impermanent and always goes away.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #26519863 - 03/06/20 01:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Beautifuly said man. Wow :mindblown:

Is greed a natural aspect of human nature? I think in general Yes however Billionaire greed is on a whole nother level that i would argue is uncommon.


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Re: Should billionaires exist [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26519876 - 03/06/20 01:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Let's not condemn billionaires more than the drunkard who lives under a bridge. Greed is greed - right?

It's so easy to hate the rich!    It's a form of hatred we embrace in our hypocritical society.


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