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Northerner
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Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now 1
#26513653 - 03/02/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I've been a bit off for some months, usual tricks aren't really helping much so I decided to get some "professional" help for my depression. Pretty much after assessing me the first thing every psychological professional wants to do is put me on drugs. Then seem outraged when I tell them I won't take them, then spend 20 minutes trying to convince me I should. It's almost like a religious belief for these people. So on my third visit today when the topic was brought up I told the woman "I would sooner smoke crack or heroin than take antidepressants". The woman said she didn't think I'd change my mind. Bloody corporate drug pusher.
The irony is though that most people will just eat the pills. People like me who want help for their issues rather than to just mask them are the exception, and the pressure applied by medical people to eat these drugs is not insignificant. Last year when I had a persistent headache, in the end the doctor tried to give me antidepressants, and I refused. He pretty much said he can't help me anymore then. Later on I got the aircon near me at work cleaned and the headache went away within a day. Go figure hey.
Has anyone here been to a mental health care professional and not had them try to immediately dope them? Similar stories or anecdotes? Considering how many people are on these head bending substances now I bet almost everyone has had a doc try and throw this stuff at them some time.
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Re: Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now [Re: Northerner]
#26513656 - 03/02/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mr Northerner,
I implore you to watch the video making a killing: the untold story of psychotropic drugging.
Sincerely, Mr. Southerner
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Re: Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now [Re: Northerner]
#26513663 - 03/02/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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In general I think psychiatry is pretty full of shit and not especially scientific.
I mostly have steered clear of doctors but I was once taken to the hospital against my will and given Ativan during a mental breakdown. I took the dose they gave me but turned down the offer of a script. Most of my sisters are on psych meds of some sort and I have considered the possibility that they might be good for me (not benzos). I don't know though.
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Re: Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now [Re: Shiithead] 2
#26513664 - 03/02/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Depends on what kind of professional, If you go to an MD they are most likely going to look for a pharmaceutical solution. On the other hand if you go to a psychologist (not to be confused with a psychiatrist, whose whole job is giving you drugs) they are more likely to want to pursue talk therapy and other options.
I have Borderline Personality Disorder, which includes some fairly nasty depression, anti depressants were a big help for me during a period of my life when I was suicidal but I haven't been on them in quite some time. Nowadays I get a lot more from sessions with a hypnotherapist. My wife meanwhile is on antidepressants and also gets hypnotherapy, different approaches work for different people.
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Re: Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now [Re: Northerner]
#26513716 - 03/02/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thats very informative thanks for sharing. I dont have full faith in prescriptions aswell. even statin drugs for cholesterol can actually aggrevate heart attack. So as with some nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory for toothache are no good for me, datura seeds is much better and fast acting interms of.
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Re: Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now [Re: Shiithead] 1
#26513727 - 03/02/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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They tried to give me Anti depressants to help me with my depression when I quit smoking METH and it made me even more depressed and unstable. TBH THC and CBD do me the best but I love Kava, Kratom, Wild lettuce and mushrooms as well to calm down.
A nice natural alternative to meth I found so far (closest to it) way weaker though , Phenylethylamine take like 3000MG and you'll haave a 30 min tweak more similar to a cocaine high though TBH does NOT last or stimulate near as much as the SHARDS
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Re: Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now [Re: EyeEatMushrooms]
#26513768 - 03/02/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mmmmmm shards
 Just thinking about them
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Re: Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now [Re: Northerner]
#26513869 - 03/03/20 01:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with them. If the cure is just psychotropic drugs and that's it, then the doctor is full of shit and is a dumb ass. I take escitalopram, which combined with therapy definitely saved my life and probably stopped me from 
Psychotropic drugs, and antidepressants certainly are over-prescribed, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with them. They have their use just like almost any psychotropic.
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Re: Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now [Re: Shiithead]
#26513871 - 03/03/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Shiithead said: Mr Northerner,
I implore you to watch the video making a killing: the untold story of psychotropic drugging.
Sincerely, Mr. Southerner
That's a pretty enlightening film, thanks for the tip. Much of the information I already knew, but the way it's collected is great. Reminds me a lot of Merchants of Doubt. Same sort of proven mega-conspiracy doco.
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Re: Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now [Re: Northerner] 2
#26514031 - 03/03/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I work in intensive psychiatric at the moment, and it's really changed my mind on medications. Some of our clients, you wouldn't even know they were mentally ill when they're taking their meds. After a day or two without, those same people may be swallowing razor blades, having paranoid breakdowns requiring hospitalizations, and/or assaulting staff. There's a stigma that mental health workers dope up the patients to make their jobs easier, but in reality in most cases it's the only thing that gives the client a functional quality of life and keeps them from getting locked up.
That said, most of these drugs scare the shit out of me, and are rediculously overprescribed. They drastically change your brain chemistry over time, they're essentially scrambling around the pieces that make "you", you. Even antidepressants, benzos, stims when taken daily
Right now we have an 18 year old who had about as horrific a childhood as you can. He has no history of psychosis, just autism and some anger outbursts, but his doc has him loaded on psych meds. He went to prison for a couple weeks and wasn't taking meds in there, when he came back after not being on meds I had a full on hour long conversation with him, which was unheard of. Now they've upped his original meds and added more, he only really speaks in grunts. Can barely operate a microwave or dress himself. Fucking tragic life, he doesn't have the cognitive awareness to understand the situation and help himself. The doctors all but assault you if you even question that they're not prescribing the perfect medication dose.
I think every patient taking a serious psychiatric medication should be in talk therapy or another form of therapy, and the therapist should have a genuine say in what they're seeing from the medications and if doses could be altered or different avenues explored. Sitting behind a desk and throwing pills at someone once a month is not practicing medicine.
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Re: Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now [Re: feevers]
#26514070 - 03/03/20 07:17 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think it's a bit like any field of human activity, you get conscientious folks who love their work, keep updated on the latest research, and anything remotely connected to their field, and have a genuine passion for it with enough logical reasoning not to get caught up in groupthink. At the other end of the scale you get useless fucks who scraped through qualifications and do the bare minimum, I also think (like any field I suppose) there are some dark twisted folks in it for the power trip. It's the luck of the draw who you get.
The most medicated I ever got was for spinal injury, they told me it'd take 18 months to get back on my feet properly so they put me on morphine, diazepam, NSAIDs, Gabapentin for about 6 months, really fucked me up to the point I got convinced they were making me worse, so I stopped taking the lot and concentrated on physio, was almost back to nornal 10 weeks later.
For mental illness I think the public health service (UK) is pretty fucking useless, when the SSRI dint work (only made my guts bad with no positve effects) my GP would only give me min dose of benzos for 1 week and I had to push for that, meanwhile waking up with adrenaline so high from anxiety I was physically shaking pretty much all day, took 3 months to get an appointment with a talk theapist, and only got 3x1/2 hour sessions, she was good like, but not good enough to sort out all my shit in 1 1/2 hours
I got more help from books and lectures on youtube, meditation and self discovery, which is kinda why I'm here, I want to go deeper.
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Re: Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now [Re: Sandala]
#26514090 - 03/03/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Has anyone here been to a mental health care professional and not had them try to immediately dope them? Not just mental health care, ALL healthcare. One of the last times I went to a general healthcare doctor, I mentioned to him that I have had trouble with drinking in the past but not recently. His face changed into a robotic mode and went through the scripted dialog of questions about depression. He tried to push anti-depressants on me and I refused. He did not want to accept this. Even after the doctor visit, the pharmacy called me to tell me the anti-depressant he called in for me was ready. The noive, I tells ya!
Similar stories or anecdotes? Years ago, I did maintenance work for a hospital and some of the surrounding doctor's clinics. The places were bombarded with super-hot drug rep chicks. As I was doing a maintenance job in one of the doctor's clinics, one of the chicks was sitting talking with the doctor in his office. I overheard her tell the doctor that if he wrote 25 new prescriptions of a certain drug that week, she would go out with him. I was floored. This was years ago and wonder how the situation with this type of matter is now a days.
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Re: Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now [Re: Dilsnique]
#26515245 - 03/03/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dilsnique said: Has anyone here been to a mental health care professional and not had them try to immediately dope them? Not just mental health care, ALL healthcare. One of the last times I went to a general healthcare doctor, I mentioned to him that I have had trouble with drinking in the past but not recently. His face changed into a robotic mode and went through the scripted dialog of questions about depression. He tried to push anti-depressants on me and I refused. He did not want to accept this. Even after the doctor visit, the pharmacy called me to tell me the anti-depressant he called in for me was ready. The noive, I tells ya!
Similar stories or anecdotes? Years ago, I did maintenance work for a hospital and some of the surrounding doctor's clinics. The places were bombarded with super-hot drug rep chicks. As I was doing a maintenance job in one of the doctor's clinics, one of the chicks was sitting talking with the doctor in his office. I overheard her tell the doctor that if he wrote 25 new prescriptions of a certain drug that week, she would go out with him. I was floored. This was years ago and wonder how the situation with this type of matter is now a days.
Profits > People
Yes, as I said before psychologists won't prescribe meds, they actually can't but they aren't going to encourage you to get someone to in most cases. Neither will therapists, counselors, or any of the other sorts of non prescribing mental health professionals. If you don't want pills to be the doctor's first choice go to someone who isn't a psychiatrist.
Drug rep chick hooking as a perk is kinda hilarious. Drug dealers have been doing that sort of thing forever, no surprise the legal ones do it too.
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Re: Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now [Re: Babylon] 2
#26515351 - 03/03/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The amount of amphetamines being prescribed to children right now in the US is pretty damn absurd. Focus and attention are an exercise, and difficult to teach as such when you feel the need to have kids go through 13 years of English classes instead, as if they haven't understood the language at the half way mark.
Prescription of opiates for routine tooth extractions and just about any surgery that causes a slight discomfort as well, a bit over the top and ridiculous.
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Re: Medical consensus: everyone should be on drugs now [Re: PatrickKn] 1
#26515550 - 03/03/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I took my son when he was about 7 to see a child psych about learning difficulties. Same thing, reached right for the script pad for ADHD drugs Then when I refused basically told me to fuck off. Ended up taking him to a specialist optometrist that identified a convergence issue. So he was always passing eye tests as his sight is perfect but one eye was a bit lazy on moving in when focusing. Leads to blurry images, double vision, poor hand eye coordination, learning difficulties, etc... Took him weekly to the optometrist for 4 months and did exercises every day at home. Now he's fixed for life, rather than experiencing a life time of pharma dependence on top of a vision issue. That shit could have wrecked his life, so easy.
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