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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
#26505129 - 02/26/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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footpath said: I appreciate the lesson in economics. But I've clearly asserted that it's up to the individual to find a fair price. Profits can still be had with fair prices. But 'fair' is grossly inflated depending on many factors - one of those major factors being the trend of what stingy salesmen can get away with selling something for. Just because a gullible or uninformed individual buys it doesn't take away the initial disgraceful act of the salesman.
edit: What is considered disgraceful, dishonorable, shameful, etc. has next to nothing to do with economics... except in terms of employing dis/honorable tactics as a way to economic prosperity. Which has been my point the whole time. So, if you're like most people explicitly out for gains when selling mushrooms, you're dishonorable and there's a stigma against you.
You really didn't read this thread before jumping in.
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Northerner]
#26505145 - 02/26/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Northerner said: I think shrooms dealers are entitled to charge whatever people are willing to pay, because they take the risk in a tiny market to bring something that can be life changing.
This doesn't make them scummy or anything else, because your average Joe Bloe doesn't have the wherewithal to sort out their own shrooms. They just want to get some shrooms and eat them. Maybe if they like them then they'll start growing monotubs or walking around in paddocks looking for their own. But in the meanwhile they can get what they want for a price.
People who have grown and hunted before laugh at the prices and scoff at the shrooms dealers, but that's because they can get their own for next to nothing. I think this is where the stigma comes in a lot. People charging $10+ a gram for something that you can just walk around and pick up or make a box explode with seems like a rip off. But it's not. It's a service as well as a supply.
I've heard the arguments before against selling naturally occurring tryptamines, being sacraments and stuff. But this sounds like people projecting their experiential beliefs on to the rest of world and expecting them to comply. Then when they don't comply start believing that somehow there's a stigma around those people. It's like a religious prejudice almost. Silly monkeys.
Exactly! The ones who usually whine and complain are the ones who change their mind (Regret) after they bought them. Anything could have set them off from someone telling them they paid too much, to down the road finding a better price, or (my personal favorite) like anything in this world saying "I could have made that myself." Ahh the stigma illusion, it's as real as the ego. It helps some feel better about their choices.
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: O_Dweeds]
#26505183 - 02/26/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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O_Dweeds said: You really didn't read this thread before jumping in.
Elaborate, if you don't mind. I was a participant in this thread long before you and contributed to a fair amount of its initial discussion.
I don't see where I've closed the door on anyone's opinion or kept anything but an open mind in regard to what constitutes the stigma against shroom dealers or lack thereof. I even agree and incorporate your own views on it, but you seem to misunderstand what I'm saying.
This whole thread is a simply just a poll on what subjective views we have on the morality of selling psychedelic mushrooms and what kind of psychedelic mushroom seller is morally acceptable or contemptible. There's no right or wrong. I think some dealers are skeevy douchebags. I think some dealers are honest growers. I don't think selling is inherently wrong, I just think there's a certain conduct that would designate someone with a stigma. That's all that's being asked - Is there a stigma? Does it bother you? I dabble in yes's and no's for each question.
So, please do explain how I've somehow missed the point before jumping in.
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
#26505703 - 02/26/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Someone dedicating time $ or effort to learn to provide a clean safe experience for other people should be compensated for their time. The guy risking imprisonment or death (in some places) so the guy with bad ptsd can feel better about life should be compensated. How can you put a "fair" price on things like that? Generally possession is one thing but these"dealers" are risking much more serious consequences like losing their friends, family, and going to jail or losing their head.
It is rare in this world that any "dealers" get rich off of what they do. Most are just trying to put food on the table. They take a huge risk so others can find a piece of something different or some kind of understanding.
Every "market" has people who use tactics to dominate each other or be dicks, but that is the minority of the community.
If it weren't for people taking these risks I would not have found these sacraments so easily (before the internet). Charging a price for sacrament and it's preparation is a time honored Shamanistic tradition. Would you want someone who is not 100% dedicated to the craft to prepare sacrament for you? I wouldn't. Does the shaman who spends every day communing with plants/animals/fungi and learning how to utilize and safely prepare them for people with respect and understanding not have to feed his family and keep food in the house? It takes a whole community to fill all the needs. we all have different roles.
The only thing these people should get is respect and protection by a community who cherishes the things they bring to the table.
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Northerner]
#26505766 - 02/27/20 01:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Absolutely, northerner,
I think this is “a big problem with psychedelics”; people have a profound life-changing experience, “see the light”, then come back to reality and start spouting their new life beliefs to anyone who will or who will not listen!
Watched a “Quentin Experiment” YouTube video recently. I like the way he talks, but he has a lot of experience to pick up yet! But he talks about how we can persuade the rest of the world about the benefits of psychedelics. Basicallly he says we need to stop ramming our beliefs down people’s throats, and let our actions speak, ie. our changed behaviour provokes questions, to which we can then introduce that we’ve been taking psychedelics sensibly and benefiting.
I have no issue with “shroom dealers”; as you say, they provide a service. People get their first experience (because they don’t have friends to show them how to safely pick psychedelics) from a dealer, like what they experience, realise if they want to continue with psychedelics then the only economic way forward is to learn to grow and pick your own 👍🏻
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Nichrome]
#26505876 - 02/27/20 04:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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For every shaman, there are many bruja. For every ethical seller, there are many unethical sellers. My argument isn't that there's a stigma about making money, it's that there's a predominant category of sellers who are unethical, dishonest, and disgraceful - which allow stigmas to form. Even giving it away for free wouldn't change that conduct.
It's simply not semantically sound to choose the argument that stigma itself is illusory or exempt because of the nature of the subject. Just because you don't agree with the reasoning behind someone's stigma, it doesn't cease to exist. Even to argue that it shouldn't exist is acknowledging its existence and how it's bothersome. I don't agree with the stigma against vaccination, but I'm not going to claim that it isn't there.
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
#26506443 - 02/27/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The stigma is there for sure. It really is a shame. I do indeed acknowledge that and understand why. I hope that that changes over time as people gain understanding. I definitely am not making an "argument".
Personally I meet a lot more ethical sellers than creeps.
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Nichrome]
#26506471 - 02/27/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, I should express that my arguing isn't with explicit persuasion, but I do intend to not have my reasoning misunderstood or discredited by selective excerption (not accusing you of that).
I stated early on that, while many may be fortunate to have people of good character as a source for their plant medicines, I have heavy doubt that that's the common situation. Which, I also hope can change with more understanding and a more saturated market. If people have the option between some seedy bloke who has a black market pharmacy of unknown quality drugs or a genuine merchant who sells different species/varieties of psychedelic mushrooms... I think the choice is pretty obvious, even if the latter has a bit higher price tag.
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: footpath]
#26508705 - 02/28/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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footpath said: If people have the option between some seedy bloke who has a black market pharmacy of unknown quality drugs or a genuine merchant who sells different species/varieties of psychedelic mushrooms... I think the choice is pretty obvious, even if the latter has a bit higher price tag.
On this I completely agree; except that illegal/legal means nothing for safety/quality (the same stuff from the pharmacy is also an available black market option or the seller has their product tested for purity/content). And the most addictive, deadliest molecules are both sold and produced legally (Fent, benzodiazepines).
Either, as you stated, providing properly produced strains that are proven to be enjoyable to all. One example: Golden Teachers, where in my experience seeing and talking with countless times where everyone enjoyed them, regardless of setting. Or also offering a wide selection. Too many who just searched for first bulk tek, bought PE MS because they read how it is insanely potent and watched them ruin the mushroom experience for countless first time users. Not to mention seeing many contaminated mushrooms still being sold even after being shown. Then given to others who after ingesting reported back heavy purging not knowing they've also been poisoned.
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: O_Dweeds] 1
#26509144 - 02/29/20 02:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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We bought some weed a few months back and I kid you not, it had grey mould in it; that shit can kill you! Needless to say I threw it in the bin. Never had mould when I grew my own, and would certainly never consider selling stuff on that could be harmful.
Maybe weed dealers are less scrupulous than mushroom dealers?
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: O_Dweeds]
#26509479 - 02/29/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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footpath said: If people have the option between some seedy bloke who has a black market pharmacy of unknown quality drugs or a genuine merchant who sells different species/varieties of psychedelic mushrooms... I think the choice is pretty obvious, even if the latter has a bit higher price tag.
On this I completely agree; except that illegal/legal means nothing for safety/quality (the same stuff from the pharmacy is also an available black market option or the seller has their product tested for purity/content). And the most addictive, deadliest molecules are both sold and produced legally (Fent, benzodiazepines).
Either, as you stated, providing properly produced strains that are proven to be enjoyable to all. One example: Golden Teachers, where in my experience seeing and talking with countless times where everyone enjoyed them, regardless of setting. Or also offering a wide selection. Too many who just searched for first bulk tek, bought PE MS because they read how it is insanely potent and watched them ruin the mushroom experience for countless first time users. Not to mention seeing many contaminated mushrooms still being sold even after being shown. Then given to others who after ingesting reported back heavy purging not knowing they've also been poisoned.
Is this all speculation or you have actually met people like this and had these experiences? Sounds really hypothetical and not based in reality...
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Nichrome]
#26511424 - 03/01/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's not great for business selling shrooms that make people sick. They're not gonna keep coming back for that. I guess it could happen, but it's pretty amatuer.
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Northerner]
#26511446 - 03/01/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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NO! Its a kind of work/passion. There are some guys that just want to feel high - for those you should make money with your hard work. It is up to you if you want to make friends or money. It was always like that. Why people make money on LSD ? - its also a psychodelic, but you need alot of chemistry knowledge that you can sell or just give. What is the difference between a shroom or lsd? everyone should have the choice.
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: patapon333]
#26511868 - 03/01/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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There's a more than understandable fine line. One should not shit where they eat. And your focus should be general awareness, image, getting even deeper your social credibility, that goes along way...working a real job and living an honest life.And it's my opinion you can make and veiw your shroom grow as honest, as least to yourself and passed on to your customers. Some of my buddys back in the day on text would hit me for some "train tickets" All aboard indeed...
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Grungeman17]
#26512725 - 03/02/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have never sold mushrooms. Though just over a year ago I gave 5g to a colleague who is depressed. I’d been speaking to him for weeks, Nd checking loads of stuff out because I felt really responsible. He assured me he had a trip sitter. Turned out he didn’t, he lives alone, and took the 5g dry as his first ever mushroom dose. I have some voicemails from him - they are wild. His phone stayed on and I could hear him talking to entities.......
But that’s not the point of the story. A few days later at work (to keep anonymity, let’s call my colleague “Arsehole”.). A few days later, went into the kitchen at work and my boss and a few other guys said; “hey look, here is Arsehole’s mushroom dealer!”
I’ll never give mushrooms out again, unless it’s my bestie 👍🏻
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26512757 - 03/02/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I really like that testimony, there is a good damn chance that if you make a mistake on the peeps you gift them to, the potential for negative outcomes are there. I believe there is enough money to be in medicinal gormet edibals in some areas even on a small scale can be profitable. To your average joe shrooms just arnt a profitable thing, but when you start talking morels around here, things get crazy... This year I am blending up some good fruits with wood chips and i'm going to make a five gallon bucket of h20 salt and molasses, let it sit with an air stone for agitation, and finally spread the syrup amougnst the acreage.
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26512767 - 03/02/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If I’m being completely honest, I’d love to be a shroom dealer. No PD is “cracking down” on shrooms and none of the customers fiend for it, so they wouldn’t blow my phone up and shit...But the demand is just not there.
But before you write me off as an un-principled trash bag, know that I’ve given away tens of pounds to friends, their friends, their acquaintances, and anyone who happened to walk past me at a number of concerts. All these people have to pay is attention, when I explain the do’s/don’t’s, set/setting, etc. It’s a great feeling, especially if I hear that they’ve never tried mushies before. I just get a certain satisfaction from making sure more people fall in love with them.
As for “dealer” dealers, here’s an anecdote: One time a dude offered me 7g of truffles at a concert like “they’ll blow yo mind mang, you don even know, yo.”. I tried to educate him about potency but he wouldn’t listen, so we ended up trading 3.5 of cubes for them. We were both on our respective fungi already, so we topped up. Long story short, I barely felt the truffles, while he accused me of lacing my shit with LSD So yeah, not all shroom dealers are “shroomy”...or smart
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: feldman114]
#26512814 - 03/02/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I dont think id ever go to a concert and hand out shrooms, im not a good salesman
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: Backbone]
#26512837 - 03/02/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It’s easy if you don’t ask for anything in return It prolly also helps to have a weird hippie beard and pupils the size of tea cups Looking like an alien builds trust
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Re: Is there a stigma on shroom dealers? Does it bother you? [Re: feldman114]
#26512880 - 03/02/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: If I’m being completely honest, I’d love to be a shroom dealer. No PD is “cracking down” on shrooms and none of the customers fiend for it, so they wouldn’t blow my phone up and shit...But the demand is just not there.
But before you write me off as an un-principled trash bag, know that I’ve given away tens of pounds to friends, their friends, their acquaintances, and anyone who happened to walk past me at a number of concerts. All these people have to pay is attention, when I explain the do’s/don’t’s, set/setting, etc. It’s a great feeling, especially if I hear that they’ve never tried mushies before. I just get a certain satisfaction from making sure more people fall in love with them.
As for “dealer” dealers, here’s an anecdote: One time a dude offered me 7g of truffles at a concert like “they’ll blow yo mind mang, you don even know, yo.”. I tried to educate him about potency but he wouldn’t listen, so we ended up trading 3.5 of cubes for them. We were both on our respective fungi already, so we topped up. Long story short, I barely felt the truffles, while he accused me of lacing my shit with LSD So yeah, not all shroom dealers are “shroomy”...or smart
I felt the same way, before I helped my “mate”. I feel he’s spoilt it for all the people I could have helped, and introduced to mushrooms.
But I’m still spreading the word, as innocuously and professionally as I’m able 👍🏻
Once the potential for 14 years in jail has been removed when they’re decriminalised, maybe then I’ll try to help people out. Or maybe just point them to the Shroomery.......
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