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hunter s thompson
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I haven't been on the site or grown anything since 10 years ago. Reading up on what's going on and to my understanding polyfill is no longer needed in monotubs? And you can spawn bulk and go straight to fruiting conditions no more waiting for full colonization of bulk? Correct me if I'm wrong this all seems amazingly crazy to me lol anything else awesome I missed out on?
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PiptheGreAtest
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Ya I hadn’t been on the site for 4+ years when came back that how things were being done I’ve been on the site 1+ months reading through forum them are the main changes I’ve seen. Do you have any plans what your first tek going look like? I jump straight into agar and spawn bags so I don’t have to sit around waiting for lagging jars, 6 monos for my first one in 4 years figure what the heck. Pain in ass buying all supplies when you once had everything you need. I swear this time it will go into a storage shed, not the neighbor who is mildly interested.
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hunter s thompson
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Not really sure yet thankfully I found most of my equipment when cleaning storage and that kinda sparked my interest again. My friend helping me clean says ((why do you have 3 huge pressure cookers)) lmao! I'm sure my spores are no good anymore and my masters have all been thrown away long ago. So I'll be starting fresh again
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hunter s thompson
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Any experienced info on not letting the bulk fully colonize before introducing to fruiting conditions tho? Just seems strange to me to spawn bulk and go straight to fruiting. but again it's been 10 years.
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filthyknees
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Fruiting conditions from spawning is a part of ohmatics monotub Tek from about 15 years ago.
Here's a more recent thread with a bunch of people doing comparisons.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22315950
Please pm me if you need a print, I'll be happy to send a couple.
I've moved away from poly and gone to micropore tape, more clean look, easier. 2 layers on bottom and one on top with a casing layer and all that's left to do is wait to harvest.
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SynKyd
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Yes a lot has changed I had the same reaction but going to try it and see what happens anyway. I think a lot of the new teks presume you know what you’re doing and can produce pristine spawn jars. Fail faster as they say.
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hunter s thompson
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Excellent info 👌 exactly what I was looking for. Back then I always kept co2 high as possible during colonization and no FAE to not pin before sub was fully colonized. I do remember one of monos did get some FAE on accident back in the day before full colonization and it did really well. I just assumed I got lucky with that one lol thanks again.
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feldman114
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Yes to fruiting from spawn. Yes to MP tape > polyfil. Yes to colonizing spawn in regular light cycle.
No to pasteurizing coir/verm. No to fanning. No to SHIPs, aside from LCs.
Also, dunking can be replaced by heavy misting. And, unless you stack, there’s no need to modify tubs at all (no holes). I know I’m forgetting a few...
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hunter s thompson
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Quote:
feldman114 said: Yes to fruiting from spawn. Yes to MP tape > polyfil. Yes to colonizing spawn in regular light cycle.
No to pasteurizing coir/verm. No to fanning. No to SHIPs, aside from LCs.
Also, dunking can be replaced by heavy misting. And, unless you stack, there’s no need to modify tubs at all (no holes). I know I’m forgetting a few...
No pasteurizing coir/verm? Ive always used a mix of core/verm/gypsum/goat or llama poo for my bulk sub I assume I'd have to pasteurize this hince the poo. PS what is SHIPs aside from liquid culture? Unfamiliar with this term.
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feldman114
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Self healing injection port. It’s the blob of silicone that most of us inoculated through 5ish years ago. Turns out it’s safer to lift the lid.
Poo needs pasteurization, but cubes don’t need poo. They don’t even use up all the nutes in the grain spawn. Coir/verm/gypsum can be hydrated with tap water OR sterilized instead of pasteurization....I know, crazy shit, right?
Came back after a long break too recently so I know that feel, man.
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Mr.Wizard
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A lot of folk will just use coconut coir as substrate now.
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hunter s thompson
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So much time wasted back then wow and I just spent last night making about 50 SHIPs lmao sumbitch!!! Thanks for all the new info guys. Times definitely changed the game. loving it!!!
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feldman114
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Haha yeah. Thankfully all the changes just make things simpler.
P.S. Another heads up, “MS to grain” is like taboo around here. I’m surprised no one stopped by to give you the agar lecture yet... Not that I disagree with using agar helped me a ton.
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hunter s thompson
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feldman114 said: Haha yeah. Thankfully all the changes just make things simpler.
P.S. Another heads up, “MS to grain” is like taboo around here. I’m surprised no one stopped by to give you the agar lecture yet... Not that I disagree with using agar helped me a ton.
When I quit growing I was getting into agar for single isolation and making master culture slants for long term keep of exceptional fruiters. Is that still a thing or been modified at all?
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feldman114
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Yep, agar is king now, and for good reason.
Most bulk growers go: MS>agar>master>g2g>spawn then choose a good clone and clone>agar>3+transfers>master>g2g...
LI is making a big comeback though. If you wanna look into it I recomend this tek https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22680218
There are better teks, but this one doesn’t require a modified blender.
P.S. Don’t tell anyone, but I still go MS>grain first, just to get a clone going ASAP
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alaskappalachian
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Quote:
feldman114 said:
No to pasteurizing coir/verm.
I'd still pasteurize coir...
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hunter s thompson
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Nice!! I was thinking Ms>grain>minimonos>clone>agar/ transfer>master>g2g
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hunter s thompson
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Quote:
alaskappalachian said:
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feldman114 said:
No to pasteurizing coir/verm.
I'd still pasteurize coir...
I've always pasteurized. And most likely will anyway just out of habit lol
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feldman114
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Quote:
alaskappalachian said:
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feldman114 said:
No to pasteurizing coir/verm.
I'd still pasteurize coir...
You’d still be wasting time
They say sterilized coir is best because cube myc likes cooked coir better, but it works either way. I like sterilizing 21 qts of it every weekend just so I can spawn in under 10min, any time I feel like it. If anything, it can hold a bit more water compared to coir hydrated with tap water. Both work just fine though.
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You don't need to be foil on your jars when you PC them. Agar is just mixed and straight into PC, no microwave/cooking necessary.
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