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hunter s thompson
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No to pasteurizing coir/verm.
I'd still pasteurize coir...
You’d still be wasting time
They say sterilized coir is best because cube myc likes cooked coir better, but it works either way. I like sterilizing 21 qts of it every weekend just so I can spawn in under 10min, any time I feel like it. If anything, it can hold a bit more water compared to coir hydrated with tap water. Both work just fine though.
Ok my thoughts 10 years ago...Pasteurizing bulk kills bad bacteria and keeps the good. Sterilization would be to much and anything that landed on it could take hold quicker. And I'm def interested in learning any new facts about it.
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feldman114
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Those are still the rules for bulk subs. But coir is THE exception.
Turns out it’s inherently resistant to contams. To be exact, spores can’t germinate on coir, so it’s resistant to contam spores I guess. Point is, you can piss into pet-store coir and keep it in your bathroom for a month and it’ll be mold-free. Makes sense, since it’s used as reptile bedding...
The reason for this is the way they treat pet-store coir at the factory. It’s salty AF (go ahead, lick some )
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No. Sterilizing coir is wasting time. Not all coir is created equally or treated equally. I use 11lb bloks of Viagrow from Home Depot and it needs to be pasteurized. Plenty of people just hydrate it. Doesn't make it the best/safest option. I agree with your other points.
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hunter s thompson
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Also wouldn't using poo give them more nutrients/minerals/micronutrients/good bacteria that fungus loves!? By my experience I've always thought they had a higher potency that way than just coir. If coir can't grow spores there's not much food in it for the fungus granted the fungus is 90% water but seems like coir itself isn't nutritional
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I said “pet-store” coir multiple times Plus I just explained how sterilizing it saves me time in the long run.
Dunno what your deal is dude. I’m not the one who thought of this lol I’m just relaying info that has been thoroughly discussed elsewhere.
I even made a half-ass attempt at growing using coir only (no spawn). Check it out, lots of good coir info from TCs in there. You’ll also see how I found out the stuff I’m preaching here... https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26494829
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feldman114
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hunter s thompson said: Also wouldn't using poo give them more nutrients/minerals/micronutrients/good bacteria that fungus loves!? By my experience I've always thought they had a higher potency that way than just coir. If coir can't grow spores there's not much food in it for the fungus granted the fungus is 90% water but seems like coir itself isn't nutritional
Spent subs are very nutritious. Cube myc doesn’t get a chance to “digest” all the nutes in the grain spawn, so adding more nutes to the sub is redundant, at least for that purpose. Some people still swear by poo, but it’s definitely not necessary for monster yields.
You know how “salting” a patch of mold can slow it down enough for a flush to finish? Well, when you get home, grab a brick of your PET-STORE coir and give it a lick. Dat shit salty AF.
Edit: ima stop derailing this thread now, I promise
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Not to bust balls but how much of this is first hand knowledge Feldman?
I will say that imo sterlized subs colonize faster than semi pasteurized.
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If you’re asking whether I tried preparing coir all 3 ways, the answer is yes. It all works, really.
The only other info I poasted here came from a TC (or 4). Most of it from the thread I linked. I have also PERSONALLY licked a brick of coir
And, please never stop busting my balls lol. I’ll never learn otherwise! Definitely still learning.
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I read that thread a while back. It was an informative read.
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So how much coir do I need to make a proper Manhattan?
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So to put it into perspective, your summary is correct sort of. But from the get go with dub tubs back in 2001-2002 people were never colonizing tubs with high co2 and tape over holes. I have no idea where that bs came from later on. Ive always put tubs into fruiting conditions at spawning since i did my first tub. I have a thread posted about it dated 2002. And I don’t mean tray culture. Tubs with poly.
Something you might have missed. Instead of using a true casing layer, people just use a top layer of substrate and cubes fruit just fine. in addition people use coconut fiber as a substrate now rather than just an additive or casing layer. You don’t have to pasteurize it or boil it to get good results. You can simply add hot tap water and spawn 30 minutes later. Most of the prep for bulk subs with cubes is pretty much gone these days.
Ive done side by sides with tested clones boiled vs non boiled. The non boiled actually colonize faster and fruit faster. You can also spawn in 30 minutes. And even if you take away the few hours you have to wait for the boiled coir to cool before spawn, if you started both side by side the non boiled would still win in colonization speed, fruiting speed. Yield is similar either way.
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eatyualive said: So to put it into perspective, your summary is correct sort of. But from the get go with dub tubs back in 2001-2002 people were never colonizing tubs with high co2 and tape over holes. I have no idea where that bs came from later on. Ive always put tubs into fruiting conditions at spawning since i did my first tub. I have a thread posted about it dated 2002. And I don’t mean tray culture. Tubs with poly.
Something you might have missed. Instead of using a true casing layer, people just use a top layer of substrate and cubes fruit just fine. in addition people use coconut fiber as a substrate now rather than just an additive or casing layer. You don’t have to pasteurize it or boil it to get good results. You can simply add hot tap water and spawn 30 minutes later. Most of the prep for bulk subs with cubes is pretty much gone these days.
Ive done side by sides with tested clones boiled vs non boiled. The non boiled actually colonize faster and fruit faster. You can also spawn in 30 minutes. And even if you take away the few hours you have to wait for the boiled coir to cool before spawn, if you started both side by side the non boiled would still win in colonization speed, fruiting speed. Yield is similar either way.
Spawn to straight coir no verm or gypsum?
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You can add those - they don’t need to be pasteurized either. The jury’s still out on whether or not that will increase yields though, unless that changed already too lol
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Only way to tell is to do a trial run with a clone. If eats done it with success it is safe to roll with.
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I like verm/coir personally but you could spawn directly to coir yes.
Backstory on gypsum. I never used it for 15 years. I tried it for a year. I saw no difference except it was one more thing I had to prep. So it took more time to prep and can be a little messy. I still have a 30lb bag sitting around collecting dust. Yield is no less than it ever has been without it. Long story short-was never necessary.
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hunter s thompson
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Well all this is fantastic news! Makes things alot easier. Somehow I still feel like coir is like feeding them McDonald's when they could eat steaks and lobster....is potency effected at all? Just wondering I mean even some people eat garbage food and they survive. There not winning the Olympics anytime soon but they are alive lol
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They don't get nutes from coir, just the grain. The coir is more of a water transmission/retention thing. - from what I've read.
I think the water at McDonalds is probably on par with other places water lol
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Lol spawn a McDouble with cheese
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Ya know, the McDouble only has one slice of cheese, where as the double cheeseburger has two. The difference is 19 cents.
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And both will give you diabetes!
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