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Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior
    #26509735 - 02/29/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior
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HOLYOKE, MASS. (WHDH) - Police in Massachusetts are warning the public of a new drug cocktail that is on the streets and known to cause “violent, bizarre, and self-destructive” behavior, officials announced this week.

Emergency crews responding to an uptick in overdoses in Holyoke in recent days have come across heroin bags adulterated with many substances, including fentanyl, caffeine, and MDMB-4en-PINACA, according to the Holyoke Police Department.

Police described MDMB-4en-PINACA as a “synthetic cannabinoid.”

“Our first responders, police, fire and ambulance crews are observing behavior consistent with PCP ingestion in some of the overdose patients we are responding to,” the department said in a statement.

In some cases, police say patients are violent and showing symptoms not generally related to heroin use.

“It is confusing and difficult to treat at the scene and dangerous for first responders,” the department said.

Some patients have exhibited bizarre, self-destructive physical behaviors, such as attempting to jump from high places and fleeing into busy traffic patterns, officials said.

Ambulance crews have reported “extremely high blood pressures” and “dangerous heart rates,” among other respiratory issues.

Officials say Narcan may not be effective on patients who overdose on this new drug.


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: Ythan] * 1
    #26509810 - 02/29/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Cannabinoid name:
MDMB-4en-PINACA

Jesus christ...remember when we all thought smoking something called JWH-200 was fucked up?

Man you guys need to legalize weed federally down there in the US of A


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #26509875 - 02/29/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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sh4d0ws said:
Cannabinoid name:
MDMB-4en-PINACA

Jesus christ...remember when we all thought smoking something called JWH-200 was fucked up?

Man you guys need to legalize weed federally down there in the US of A




I always wonder if cannabis was legal here if we'd have actually good synthetic cannabinoids coming out.

Instead of having to change the chemistry to get around laws people would be working on creating the most effective/safe and specific cannabinoids.


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: musiclover420]
    #26510674 - 03/01/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

i found a couple of synthetic roaches when i was cleaning up around the house back in Dec. they had to at least 7-8 yrs old. i smoked em in a bowl and holy fuck did i remember how shitty synthetics are.

i agree if wed just legalize the decent shit we wouldnt have to make up synthetics that are shittier to our bodies than the real thing


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: numnum59]
    #26510884 - 03/01/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Another crazy synth cannabinoid, so much fun.

Weed is legal in mass btw

If Bernie wins it’ll be legal in all 50 states, and that’s a politician that hasn’t changed his tune for like 40 yrs


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: Fractal420]
    #26516042 - 03/04/20 07:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Fractal420 said:
Another crazy synth cannabinoid, so much fun.

Weed is legal in mass btw

If Bernie wins it’ll be legal in all 50 states, and that’s a politician that hasn’t changed his tune for like 40 yrs




Does the president alone have that power or would he need congress enact legislation?

Sorry I’m dumb to poooooolitcs :facepalm:


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: prettyhatemachine]
    #26516574 - 03/04/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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prettyhatemachine said:
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Fractal420 said:
Another crazy synth cannabinoid, so much fun.

Weed is legal in mass btw

If Bernie wins it’ll be legal in all 50 states, and that’s a politician that hasn’t changed his tune for like 40 yrs




Does the president alone have that power or would he need congress enact legislation?

Sorry I’m dumb to poooooolitcs :facepalm:




After republicans have been abusing emergency powers many people are hoping the next democrat will immediately declare an emergency and deschedule cannabis among other things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_of_the_president_of_the_United_States#Emergency_powers

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The Constitution does not expressly grant the president additional powers in times of national emergency. However, many scholars think that the Framers implied these powers because the structural design of the Executive Branch enables it to act faster than the Legislative Branch. Because the Constitution remains silent on the issue, the courts cannot grant the Executive Branch these powers when it tries to wield them. The courts will only recognize a right of the Executive Branch to use emergency powers if Congress has granted such powers to the president.[46]

A claim of emergency powers was at the center of President Abraham Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus without Congressional approval in 1861. Lincoln claimed that the rebellion created an emergency that permitted him the extraordinary power of unilaterally suspending the writ. With Chief Justice Roger Taney sitting as judge, the Federal District Court of Maryland struck down the suspension in Ex parte Merryman, although Lincoln ignored the order.[48]




As you can see historically it has been far from cut and dry, but like I said republicans have been eroding the checks and balances for decades and if trump can declare the border wall an emergency then a Dem should be able to declare something like healthcare or the drug epidemic an emergency.


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: prettyhatemachine]
    #26516863 - 03/04/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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prettyhatemachine said:
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Fractal420 said:
Another crazy synth cannabinoid, so much fun.

Weed is legal in mass btw

If Bernie wins it’ll be legal in all 50 states, and that’s a politician that hasn’t changed his tune for like 40 yrs




Does the president alone have that power or would he need congress enact legislation?

Sorry I’m dumb to poooooolitcs :facepalm:






any president can direct the attorney general to reschedule cannabis federally under the uniform drug law. However, state laws not tied to federal scheduling would still remain and congress could explicitly outlaw it but the president could veto. There could also be a states attorney suit to stop the federal reschedule as we have seen with federal attempts to change immigration policies.

In regards to the legality in mass: I guess since they cant sell the synth on lawn clippings anymore they decided to mix it in with the fenta based heroin substitute.


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: Ythan]
    #26517946 - 03/05/20 04:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

has anyone else reached the level as to why life in general has to be so important or " precious" when we don't even know if it is ubiquitous in the universe to begin with? this all has to be soooooooo CRITICAL lol!!!! its a meaningless joke!  don't even let its complexity fool u either


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: MikeTesserect]
    #26518263 - 03/05/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like alcohol.


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: icetech]
    #26518537 - 03/05/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

u would need to be drunk not to see life is nothing but a big meaningless dummy mission. I just play along with the herd lol


Edited by MikeTesserect (03/05/20 12:12 PM)


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: Ythan]
    #26519879 - 03/06/20 01:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The world will one day learn that the key to solving the poison research chemical "highs" that have wreaked havoc on society. would NEVER exist if all natural drugs were decriminalised and not stigmatized!
Fentanyl,meth,spice,bath salts etc were all created to cut costs and skirt LAWS and the current drug laws are causing these issues just as they did  in the 1930s during prohibition!  Society was victimized by super high alcohol content (to cut volumn)and criminal behavior/violence due to the black market/criminalisation!
natural drugs will always have a 10% abuse rate, the people who have no off switch. Just as the gamblers,shoppers,drinkers, sex addicts  etc
The natural versions of these substances are always much safer for society.
We should all see that these substances were put on earth to heel us in one form or another.  There is no doubt opium is for pain, MJ is for mental health issues, LSD/Psilocybin/mesc is for "clearing your mind/fresh start, Coca plant is to get you "up' and social!
We have used the criminal justice system to aid BIGPHARMA, the Prison IC and the police state.
It all began when we were protesting war and goverments only answer was 
going after MJ/LSD users. The real drug use was going on in the war (Heroin) govt supplied/and turned the other cheek to keep the soldiers compliant and living with the mental pain.
Looking back, when those soldiers returned home most got clean(the ones that had prospects/support). Sadly the ones who's lives stalled out, be it mental health, employment issues or war injury, kept using the drug.
the drug war is the problem, it creates violence, raises cost/risk, creates criminals for victimless  crimes!
It has been proven time after time that enabling the use, does not increase abuse..
The laws that demand zero tolerance, fuel abuse! The states that criminalised gambling had the highest gambling rates, states with the strictest gun laws have the most gun crime. Drug use is no different!
If the highest rate of drug use/abuse is in prisons,and they are completely controlled enviroments under surveilance 24/7 than how can we expect the "free society" to keep drugs out?


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: icetech]
    #26519991 - 03/06/20 04:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I forgot to mention u are going to die! the universe will even end one day. life is so STUPID it wont even quit its job right now after the fact lol. just keep on reproducing...……..


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: MikeTesserect]
    #26520283 - 03/06/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I just want to see LSD stop being feared and finally back to being used for mental health.

Instead of stuff like “MJ is schedule 1, up there with ‘heroin and LSD”

It’s always “heroin and LSD” as If these are equal and both super bad for you. They don’t say meth, coke (I know these are actual schedule II but The whole schedule thing makes zero sense), it’s “heroin and LSD” as the top rung of socially unacceptable drugs.

Yet on Netflix you see documentaries about psychedelics and how they can be beneficial and even help with heroin addiction


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: Fractal420]
    #26521160 - 03/06/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

this " joke" perspective colors in all of this dull black and white meaninglessness in life and what u see everyday, is what im trying to say! society is even almost dead and worthless


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: Fractal420]
    #26521629 - 03/07/20 04:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't even care and just live your own life! u ppl need to stay away from Terrence McKenna as well lol. it even scare me off here. he was crazy and started coming to senses prior to death, even looking over at alan watts ( who promotes it) camp for answers. the "joke" isn't some theory (reality is syntax, language, magic,...)! think of it as a new color in the spectrum. its just a perspective! its all actually neutral and meaningless especially without a human observer projecting emotion and human attributes. u have to think deeply and fully understand it. its not even portrayed by pop culture correcty ( go figure)


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: numnum59]
    #26545784 - 03/20/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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i found a couple of synthetic roaches when i was cleaning up around the house back in Dec. they had to at least 7-8 yrs old. i smoked em in a bowl and holy fuck did i remember how shitty synthetics are.

i agree if wed just legalize the decent shit we wouldnt have to make up synthetics that are shittier to our bodies than the real thing




Wow, what a flashback, you're right, they're hell on earth. The thought that you'd smoke a 7-8 year old synthetic joint, uhh, yeah, dude, you're absolutely right, I can see myself doing that and hating myself for it. Shit was whack.


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: 999]
    #26546909 - 03/20/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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numnum59 said:
i found a couple of synthetic roaches when i was cleaning up around the house back in Dec. they had to at least 7-8 yrs old. i smoked em in a bowl and holy fuck did i remember how shitty synthetics are.

i agree if wed just legalize the decent shit we wouldnt have to make up synthetics that are shittier to our bodies than the real thing




Wow, what a flashback, you're right, they're hell on earth. The thought that you'd smoke a 7-8 year old synthetic joint, uhh, yeah, dude, you're absolutely right, I can see myself doing that and hating myself for it. Shit was whack.




i literally thought i was going to die lol, the onset was so fast and my heart was racing. and of course i dont think it was dangerous i think i was just freaking myself out and working myself up.


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Re: Mass. police warning public of new drug that causes ‘violent, self-destructive’ behavior [Re: Fractal420]
    #26547548 - 03/20/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Weed is legal in mass btw





Yep. And if employees and people on probation could do whatever (legal thing) they want in their free time, cases like this would probably become even more rare.


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