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Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA
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A woman in Belgium died after taking one sip of wine from a bottle that had been laced with MDMA, the active ingredient in ecstacy. The 41-year-old from Puurs, Belgium took one sip of red wine from the Dutch brand Black & Bianco in December, The Guardian reported Thursday. The woman, who has not been identified, reportedly stopped drinking the wine, from a 2016 bottle of red merlot cabernet sauvignon, after just one sip because of a bad taste — but that was enough to cause her to collapse not long after. She was taken to the hospital and died five days later from the amount of the drug she had consumed, the BBC reported. Black & Bianco issued a statement on the incident, explaining that the company only recently became aware of the woman’s death as part of a criminal investigation. The company also stated that the bottle had been manipulated and did not have an original Black & Bianco cork.
According to photos shared by the company, the brand’s corks are black and include the words “Black & Bianco,” but the cork from the bottle of this woman was beige and had no branding. Black & Bianco also said that it had checked its inventory of the red merlot cabernet sauvignon 2016 as a “precautionary measure” and expressed that customers can also check their own bottles by making sure it has the correct kind of cork, and to alert authorities if any evidence of tampering is found. The woman’s sister told a local newspaper that the woman who died “was 100 percent against drugs.”
“She was completely unacceptable with people who used drugs or walked around under the influence,” she said, according to The Guardian. “We also do not understand where that bottle came from. She only drank one sip.” Black & Bianco said that the bottle the woman drank from is only available in Belgium online, but the BBC reported that she worked at a store that sold items that had been confiscated from the country’s federal finance service. However, a spokesperson for the finance ministry told the outlet that the store no longer sells food or drink to individuals and that employees are not allowed to take anything home.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Fractal420]
#26509316 - 02/29/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fractal420 said: A woman in Belgium died after taking one sip of wine from a bottle that had been laced with MDMA, the active ingredient in ecstacy MDMA.
Something's not right with this one, wait for the toxicology report.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: BayerPhi]
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Either it was an extremely high molar concentration, or she had a bad reaction, which are not unheard of... Assuming the story is true. Either way, it's a shame when containers are mislabelled, bigger shame someone fell victim to something she never intended to do. But that's what happens when the law makes people hide things.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: DoctorJ]
#26509366 - 02/29/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've got a feeling they aren't using the correct terminology, "laced" implies it was added for use. This was surely part of some smuggling scheme, the beige cork was probably for the recipient to identify the bottle upon receipt. But something went wrong and it made it into circulation.
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...but the BBC reported that she worked at a store that sold items that had been confiscated from the country’s federal finance service.
I guess that is what went wrong, the tax man came to collect at a very inopportune time. Perhaps the business itself only existed as a front, or got involved in said scheme in a bid to pay off money owed.
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The woman’s sister told a local newspaper that the woman who died “was 100 percent against drugs.”
Well, clearly not all drugs.
What gets me is dying 5 days later, that doesn't make much sense to me...at least not without knowing the woman's constitution, or what biological systems were implicated. I don't doubt that the MDMA is at least indirectly responsible, but I feel like proper medical care should have kept this woman alive.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Holybullshit]
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part of the plan to scare people against drugs lol you can make more when drugs are illegal than you can when they are legal
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: numnum59] 2
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The woman’s sister told a local newspaper that the woman who died “was 100 percent against drugs.”
“She was completely unacceptable with people who used drugs or walked around under the influence,”
 Your sister drank alcohol literally one of the worst drugs
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: bodhisatta]
#26509509 - 02/29/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shhhh, don't make them see the hypocrisy of their ignorance.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: bodhisatta]
#26509690 - 02/29/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The woman’s sister told a local newspaper that the woman who died “was 100 percent against drugs.”
“She was completely unacceptable with people who used drugs or walked around under the influence,”
 Your sister drank alcohol literally one of the worst drugs
often we forget alcohol is a drug, because it is "legal". I am an alcoholic and i think alcohol is the worst drug, easily accessible, doesnt fail a standard drug test and is widely accepted.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Fractal420]
#26509857 - 02/29/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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She was probably on an MAOI or something that caused a fatal combination with the MDMA and wine.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 1
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So many drug apologists. Had to have been a combination of factors.
MDMA has numerous fatalities from people with no preexisting conditions or contraindicated substances. On recreational <150mg doses
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: bodhisatta]
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I haven't heard of that happening ever. Got any sources?
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 1
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: bodhisatta] 1
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...those are just news articles about people taking what they assumed to be MDMA, or at unknown dosages, none of them refer to any analysis, toxicology reports, or medical history.
I have only read about 2 cases where people died taking confirmed MDMA alone where it was demonstrated that they had taken no more than normal recreational doses with no known contributing factors or concomitant conditions, one of those involved seizure, and only handful more when combined with other drugs that you would not expect to kill them...and even those might have just not been known because they basically stop looking for them once drug use is confirmed.
"fucking your brain" doesn't generally kill you.
And I think its telling that even in a couple of the links you posted it refers to either multiple people falling ill off the same batch, or the victim dying after no longer under the effects of the drug.
MDMA, not "ectasy", is pretty damn safe when taken at normal levels by healthy people and not combined with other drugs/contraindicated medicine.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: BayerPhi]
#26510752 - 03/01/20 04:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fractal420 said: A woman in Belgium died after taking one sip of wine from a bottle that had been laced with MDMA, the active ingredient in ecstacy MDMA.
Something's not right with this one, wait for the toxicology report.
Yeah, seems like this was a smugglers bottle with a larger than personal use amount of MDMA that had inadvertently made it's way into this woman's home.
Someone had intended to extract the MDMA out of the wine but when it turned up lost, she must have found it & decided to try it at home.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Holybullshit] 1
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Ectasy and molly are just street names for MDMA lol.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: bodhisatta]
#26510880 - 03/01/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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For the record, since I posted this, I don’t think it was actually mdma, OR, they didn’t dilute it at all, and had maybe 10g floating around freely. I wonder why they say it was mdma, would need to be like 2000mg in one sip
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Fractal420]
#26510933 - 03/01/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would hope they tested it, but we don't know how powerful the solution was...we don't even know what liquid was in the bottle, for all we know she took a gulp of some toxic solvent.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Holybullshit]
#26510982 - 03/01/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right. Yet the article clearly states MDMA. The only “testing” I see is vs the legitimate liquor bottle. Ironically mdma is prolly safer than alcohol, but either way, saying it’s mdma when it may well be some poison sounds like a hit piece
My first guess wouldn’t even be a recreational drug, my second guess would be fentanyl. Mdma? Who the hell is gonna put so much molly in some sketchy bottle that one sip equals 2g?
There’s no mention of toxicology or anything, and I doubt there will be a follow up. One day when drug users have the same kind of protection as lgbtq etc, this will look really bad.
And yes, i have no doubt that will happen over the next decade. It’ll be sad though when everyone has Coronavirus and govt will be like “guess what, ecstasy is now legal, go and get your groove on!”
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Fractal420]
#26511047 - 03/01/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If it had something other than mdma in if they would have said
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: bodhisatta]
#26511056 - 03/01/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Like all the other totally accurate articles that come out when someone has an unfortunate overdose
It’s sad really, it’s misinformation, they don’t say anything about the contents or what the person ODed on, i see it as trolling, sorta like the article about “drugs infected with coronavirus, let the PD test for you”
They’re absolutely turning a blind eye and pretty much letting ODs happen. And that’s horrific
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Fractal420]
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Fractal420]
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bodhisatta said: Stephanie Jade Shevlin
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/ecstasy-tablet-taken-faye-allen-11278347
No dose is mentioned. It does say "The pink ecstasy pill taken by tragic 17-year-old Faye Allen could have contained double the dose of a normal tablet," which would mean the dose was around 250 mg. This nullifies your argument some one can die from less than 150 mg MDMA by itself.
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"According to a report by Sergeant Aaron Barnes, a licensing officer with the Met Police, Mr Browne bought an MDMA pill within 15 minutes of entering the venue in addition to three ecstasy tablets he had smuggled into the venue because “he felt his were not working.” So the guy might have taken four ecstasy pills. This would be way more than 150 mg.
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bodhisatta said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-40473232
"A South Yorkshire Police report found she and her friends paid £7 each for the drug, commonly known as ecstasy." No mention of dose.
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"Mr Glaister, who ran his own haulage company, had been drinking in Liverpool bars before the event.
During this time, he purchased two green ecstasy tablets, his brother Chris Glaister told the hearing. ... However, in a statement read by the coroner, his friend Jamie Maclean said they had bought orange-coloured tablets from "a local lad".
Sooo the guy bought two green ecstasy pills, then possible bought orange tabs, too?? So this guy had many pills on him, and no dose is mentioned.
You are 0/4 in providing sources that support your claim someone can die from less than 150 mg MDMA alone. Nice try. Stop spreading misinformation.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#26511640 - 03/01/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's toxicology case studies on more than a few people.
News articles just aint behind paywalls. Here's a free one. Toxicology reports no MDA or other compounds.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1293478/?page=1
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1295645/?page=1 MDA found in this one but its also a metabolic product of MDMA
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: bodhisatta]
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First off, I didn't say one can't die from MDMA, just that its extremely rare at normal recreational levels if one acts responsibly, anyways...
The first one you posted says his level upon admission were 1.26mg/l....a recreational dose of MDMA generally produces serum levels in the range of 0.1-0.25mg/l.
He overdosed.
The 2nd one doesn't show levels of MDMA, but she tested positive for MDMA and the levels of MDA were 0.246 mg/l, and as you pointed out it is a metabolite, so if metabolite levels were this high... We can't be absolutely sure but the evidence points to a massive dose of MDMA.
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You will have a damn hard time finding just 2 cases(let alone enough to think they are more than just aberrations) where someone died with serum levels around 0.25mg/l near time of ingestion/admission, no other drugs in their system, and no comorbid medical conditions.
People don't just drop dead from MDMA, at proper levels aspirin is more dangerous.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Holybullshit]
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Just saying people are so protective of their beloved drugs. People die from acetominophin and asprin. It's extremely rare. Mdma can kill people too. Especially if you drink too much or too little water
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: bodhisatta]
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So people shouldn't push back against false propaganda and misinformaiton?? Is that what you are saying?
edit: If you are talking about a handful of people out of many thousands, a rate so low it's barely(if at all) worth mentioning...whats the point in going around claiming "MDMA kills people"? Especially without context.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Holybullshit]
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So when someone dies from a lightning stike i should similarly expect you to go around saying we should wait for toxicology since lightning deaths are so rare that can't possibly be the sole reason. Mdma killed this lady and some people can't fathom that.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: bodhisatta]
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First off, people dying from lightning strikes isn't rare...its people being struck by lightning that is rare so you should expect me to say we shouldn't be afraid to venture outside everytime a thuderstorm is predicted.
It would be like assuming lighting killed them everytime someone died when it is raining.
So yes, everytime someone dies during a thunderstorm, you should expect me to believe some other cause than lightning killed them and we should wait for evidence that it was so.
I think what people have a problem with is the article took note to write "a single sip" without even raising the possibility that the wine bottle contained a strong concentration of MDMA, implying that the woman died from a small amount of MDMA.
The reason people can't fathom that this woman died from a small amount of MDMA is because that doesn't happen, so it would be asinine to assume this woman did.
I can't tell if that is hard for you to comprehend, of if you are asserting that people should be afraid of dying from relatively small amounts of MDMA...it seems like the latter, and thats what I and others are taking issue with.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: There's toxicology case studies on more than a few people.
News articles just aint behind paywalls. Here's a free one. Toxicology reports no MDA or other compounds.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1293478/?page=1
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1295645/?page=1 MDA found in this one but its also a metabolic product of MDMA
You're already 0/4 in proving your point. I'm not going to read any more of your "sources." You clearly lost this argument. Stop spreading misinformation that MDMA can kill someone by itself in dosages under 150 mg.
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You are missing the point. It doesn't have to do with loving a drug. It has to do with factual science, which you don't seem to understand. Yes, you are correct in saying that MDMA can kill people. It can kill some one by itself in dosages more than 150 mg. I've read stories of 300 mg killing people. But less than 150 mg? Nope.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: ... I've read stories of 300 mg killing people. But less than 150 mg? Nope.
I know of someone who's died from 171mg, but it was 88% pure. So really it was 150.48mg... They weighed 38 Kg.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: BayerPhi] 1
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300mg shouldn’t be able to kill a healthy adult if it’s actually just mdma.
Unless you cannot take stimulants, in which case, the same thing can prolly happen with a fairly small amount of amphetamine
2000mg is the usual number I see quoted as a human LD. So that’s 20 x 100mg doses However obv being a powerful stimulant, if there’s an existing health problem, or if there’s amphetamine in the mix or something, can obviously be more dangerous than that. Just referring to mdma alone
I dunno about these other cases, just the 1-sip wine. That shit really confuses me, I really am not sure if I believe it’s mdma. Why even make a solution so potent and put in a fake liquor bottle?
Sorry to hear, @Bayer. If it was tested, was it shown to be just mdma and nothing else active? I mean as a recreational dose, 170ish mg is a strong roll, but I can’t imagine it being deadly on its own.
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Why even make a solution so potent and put in a fake liquor bottle?
For transport would be my guess. But possibly even for safe-keeping, such as if you thought there would by a good chance that the law and or government would be busting through your door at some point.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Holybullshit]
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I thought of that but in that scenario I don’t think it would end up getting sold to another person. It would be in the fridge or whatever. But who knows, it’s a crazy and sad story
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Fractal420]
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It was apparently confiscated by the government and resold, possibly due to unpaid taxes. I'm sure along with a lot of other stuff. Maybe it got abandoned, maybe whoever knew what it was either wasn't around to stop it or wasn't going to step in. Could have been from a business and was mixed in with other cases, maybe from a private estate where they just took everything, who knows.
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She's rolling in her grave
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Amanita86
OTD Keymaster


Registered: 09/26/12
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: sk8fast]
#26520246 - 03/06/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Orange clock, pencil "They threw me off the hay truck about noon..."
*Mark 15:34  Gam zeh ya’avor...
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Fractal420
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: sk8fast]
#26520258 - 03/06/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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sk8fast said: She's rolling in her grave
He-Larry-us
-------------------- Dreaming of That face again. It's bright and blue and shimmering. Grinning wide And comforting me with it's three warm and wild eyes. Prying open MY third eye
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