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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Fractal420]
    #26511057 - 03/01/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Fractal420]
    #26511532 - 03/01/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Stephanie Jade Shevlin

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/ecstasy-tablet-taken-faye-allen-11278347




No dose is mentioned.  It does say "The pink ecstasy pill taken by tragic 17-year-old Faye Allen could have contained double the dose of a normal tablet," which would mean the dose was around 250 mg.  This nullifies your argument some one can die from less than 150 mg MDMA by itself.

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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/pictured-the-two-teenagers-who-died-after-taking-drugs-at-fabric-nightclub-a3337656.html




"According to a report by Sergeant Aaron Barnes, a licensing officer with the Met Police, Mr Browne bought an MDMA pill within 15 minutes of entering the venue in addition to three ecstasy tablets he had smuggled into the venue because “he felt his were not working.”  So the guy might have taken four ecstasy pills.  This would be way more than 150 mg.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-40473232




"A South Yorkshire Police report found she and her friends paid £7 each for the drug, commonly known as ecstasy."  No mention of dose.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-35767599




"Mr Glaister, who ran his own haulage company, had been drinking in Liverpool bars before the event.

During this time, he purchased two green ecstasy tablets, his brother Chris Glaister told the hearing.
...
However, in a statement read by the coroner, his friend Jamie Maclean said they had bought orange-coloured tablets from "a local lad".

Sooo the guy bought two green ecstasy pills, then possible bought orange tabs, too??  So this guy had many pills on him, and no dose is mentioned.



You are 0/4 in providing sources that support your claim someone can die from less than 150 mg MDMA alone.  Nice try.
Stop spreading misinformation.


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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #26511640 - 03/01/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

There's toxicology case studies on more than a few people.

News articles just aint behind paywalls. Here's a free one. Toxicology reports no MDA or other compounds.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1293478/?page=1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1295645/?page=1
MDA found in this one but its also a metabolic product of MDMA


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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26512532 - 03/02/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

First off, I didn't say one can't die from MDMA, just that its extremely rare at normal recreational levels if one acts responsibly, anyways...

The first one you posted says his level upon admission were 1.26mg/l....a recreational dose of MDMA generally produces serum levels in the range of 0.1-0.25mg/l.

He overdosed.

The 2nd one doesn't show levels of MDMA, but she tested positive for MDMA and the levels of MDA were 0.246 mg/l, and as you pointed out it is a metabolite, so if metabolite levels were this high... We can't be absolutely sure but the evidence points to a massive dose of MDMA.

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You will have a damn hard time finding just 2 cases(let alone enough to think they are more than just aberrations) where someone died with serum levels around 0.25mg/l near time of ingestion/admission, no other drugs in their system, and no comorbid medical conditions.

People don't just drop dead from MDMA, at proper levels aspirin is more dangerous.


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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26512541 - 03/02/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Just saying people are so protective of their beloved drugs. People die from acetominophin and asprin. It's extremely rare. Mdma can kill people too. Especially if you drink too much or too little water


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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26512546 - 03/02/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So people shouldn't push back against false propaganda and misinformaiton?? Is that what you are saying?

edit: If you are talking about a handful of people out of many thousands, a rate so low it's barely(if at all) worth mentioning...whats the point in going around claiming "MDMA kills people"? Especially without context.


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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26512560 - 03/02/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So when someone dies from a lightning stike i should similarly expect you to go around saying we should wait for toxicology since lightning deaths are so rare that can't possibly be the sole reason. Mdma killed this lady and some people can't fathom that.


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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26512588 - 03/02/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

First off, people dying from lightning strikes isn't rare...its people being struck by lightning that is rare so you should expect me to say we shouldn't be afraid to venture outside everytime a thuderstorm is predicted.

It would be like assuming lighting killed them everytime someone died when it is raining.

So yes, everytime someone dies during a thunderstorm, you should expect me to believe some other cause than lightning killed them and we should wait for evidence that it was so.


I think what people have a problem with is the article took note to write "a single sip" without even raising the possibility that the wine bottle contained a strong concentration of MDMA, implying that the woman died from a small amount of MDMA.

The reason people can't fathom that this woman died from a small amount of MDMA is because that doesn't happen, so it would be asinine to assume this woman did.

I can't tell if that is hard for you to comprehend, of if you are asserting that people should be afraid of dying from relatively small amounts of MDMA...it seems like the latter, and thats what I and others are taking issue with.


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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26513219 - 03/02/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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There's toxicology case studies on more than a few people.

News articles just aint behind paywalls. Here's a free one. Toxicology reports no MDA or other compounds.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1293478/?page=1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1295645/?page=1
MDA found in this one but its also a metabolic product of MDMA






You're already 0/4 in proving your point.  I'm not going to read any more of your "sources."
You clearly lost this argument.  Stop spreading misinformation that MDMA can kill someone by itself in dosages under 150 mg.



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Just saying people are so protective of their beloved drugs. People die from acetominophin and asprin. It's extremely rare. Mdma can kill people too. Especially if you drink too much or too little water




You are missing the point.  It doesn't have to do with loving a drug.  It has to do with factual science, which you don't seem to understand.  Yes, you are correct in saying that MDMA can kill people.  It can kill some one by itself in dosages more than 150 mg.  I've read stories of 300 mg killing people.  But less than 150 mg?  Nope.


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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #26513622 - 03/02/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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...  I've read stories of 300 mg killing people.  But less than 150 mg?  Nope.




I know of someone who's died from 171mg, but it was 88% pure.
So really it was 150.48mg...
They weighed 38 Kg.
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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: BayerPhi] * 1
    #26515877 - 03/04/20 05:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

300mg shouldn’t be able to kill a healthy adult if it’s actually just mdma.

Unless you cannot take stimulants, in which case, the same thing can prolly happen with a fairly small amount of amphetamine

2000mg is the usual number I see quoted as a human LD. So that’s 20 x 100mg doses
However obv being a powerful stimulant, if there’s an existing health problem, or if there’s amphetamine in the mix or something, can obviously be more dangerous than that. Just referring to mdma alone

I dunno about these other cases, just the 1-sip wine. That shit really confuses me, I really am not sure if I believe it’s mdma. Why even make a solution so potent and put in a fake liquor bottle?

Sorry to hear, @Bayer. If it was tested, was it shown to be just mdma and nothing else active?
I mean as a recreational dose, 170ish mg is a strong roll, but I can’t imagine it being deadly on its own.


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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Fractal420] * 1
    #26515975 - 03/04/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Why even make a solution so potent and put in a fake liquor bottle?




For transport would be my guess. But possibly even for safe-keeping, such as if you thought there would by a good chance that the law and or government would be busting through your door at some point.


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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26518084 - 03/05/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I thought of that but in that scenario I don’t think it would end up getting sold to another person. It would be in the fridge or whatever. But who knows, it’s a crazy and sad story


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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Fractal420]
    #26518918 - 03/05/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It was apparently confiscated by the government and resold, possibly due to unpaid taxes. I'm sure along with a lot of other stuff. Maybe it got abandoned, maybe whoever knew what it was either wasn't around to stop it or wasn't going to step in. Could have been from a business and was mixed in with other cases, maybe from a private estate where they just took everything, who knows.


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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: Holybullshit] * 2
    #26519001 - 03/05/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

She's rolling in her grave


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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: sk8fast]
    #26520246 - 03/06/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Woman Dies After Drinking Single Sip from Bottle of Wine Laced with MDMA [Re: sk8fast]
    #26520258 - 03/06/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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