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Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis?
    #26507599 - 02/28/20 04:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Hey Shroomery,

What are your experiences taking cannabis with mushrooms? I have been having some scary trips recently and have started to put them down to cannabis, so I wanted to gauge your thoughts on the following:

For the last four years I have been smoking cannabis while tripping on mushrooms. For me, the synergy between the two drugs is such that they perfectly boost each other’s effects, making for a much deeper and more rewarding trip.

So I’ve established cannabis and mushrooms for me go hand in hand.

But over the years I’ve noticed a few strange synergies:
(None of this is scientifically based; it’s my personal opinion that has developed over time with my own empirical data)

  • Sometimes when smoking a joint, the trip intensity really rapidly ramps up. On these occasions I stop smoking, wait a few minutes for stuff to calm down, then crack on when I feel “better”, and the trip feels “normal”, whatever a normal trip is supposed to feel like!
  • My routine used to be as soon as I felt the first wave, I would smoke my first joint, seemingly speeding up the come up. Recently however I have begun to believe that cannabis actually f*cks up the come up. A recent trip upon smoking the first joint,  cannabis overrode the mushrooms and the come up STOPPED for 2 hours. Then all of a sudden I was peaking! Since then I decided to only smoke cannabis after I hit the peak.
  • Recently, though, even this has backfired. Upon smoking my first joint at about 2 hours after dosing, the intensity can suddenly become too much, but it doesn’t go away after a few minutes as it has in the past.


So bearing the above in mind, out of my last 4 trips, 3 have been adversely affected. I have been chatting about them on here. Many people have put it down to multi spore genetics, which for a time seemed entirely plausible. One of these trips, 3.8g dry B+ turned into what felt like 15g dry B+, and lasted for about 4 hours before I felt “safe”.

So I have many thoughts on what can be causing these ramp ups. Yesterday when the same happened, I started to think that it felt like “psychosis”. I have lots of experience under my belt, which is probably what helped me from not panicking (worst thing you could do in that situation!). For a time yesterday, I was actually really concerned for my mental health; I start a new job on Monday so was particulalrly pi55ed off at myself - why couldn’t I have waited! As this has happened 3 out of the last 4ntrips (the trip it didn’t happen was when I took my lowest ever dose of 2.5g cubensis), I was sitting there and pondering if this is what psychosis felt like, was it temporary (yes as it happens, phew!), and would I be alright a) to go to work (yes), and b) trip again....

When this does happen, all the seemingly euphoric aspects of the trip disappear, and it feels more like an exercise in survival. I do get some kind of after glow, but surely if mushrooms are making the trip stronger, then surely the good feelings should increase?

I really can’t understand what has been going on, after having used cannabis with mushrooms for so many years. I would really appreciate your thoughts.

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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26507780 - 02/28/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Man.. I used to love smoking marijuana when I was younger. It never seemed to bother or trigger any type of anxiety I've had. As I used it, I noticed I was becoming more prone to anxiety and "bad thoughts". I would get in my head about things that were out of my control.


Shortly after I've had those experiences back to back.. I quit smoking cannabis. Though, I reintroduced it into my tripping regimen one time and thought it was the best thing ever once again.

Never smoked weed during day to day things, but a nice joint during a trip seemed to really be doing the trick. I felt as if they complimented each other so elegantly. I went about doing this quote often. Never really went into a trip without making sure a bag of cannabis was secure.

Until I started having these difficult trips. These anxiety ridden, time illusion & TERRIBLE thought loops. This was the trip I speak about quite often on here, when I was in the woods and felt as if I was stuck in time.

Now, before I sparked that joint I was completely fine.. but after that was when things went all down hill. My anxiety kicked in full blast, I thought I finally roasted my brain. That trip scared the living hell out of me and I do believe if I would've never smoked that joint would have been well..

Since then.. I have not touched cannabis. Cannabis tends to give me tons of anxiety. I thought I broke past that threshold when I introduced it to mushrooms.. but that was not the case.

Not saying I won't smoke weed and trip again, because when things don't go south, but go up.. weed and mushrooms are an amazing combination. Though, I have read a lot of people on here don't like mixing the two because it does interfere with the experience.

I guess I would say.. put down the smoking and see where that takes you. Because on my last difficult trip.. I utterly did beleive I went full on crazy. Blacking out to thought loops and coming back to reality not knowing where I just went and shooting back to that black space as soon as I was acknowledging that I was "losing" my shit.

Tripped recently two weeks ago after that difficult trip - and all was well. Ah, mushrooms are something else.


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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26507836 - 02/28/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

First off, obv these things are subjective.

Weed effects me differently during trips, depending on dosage.
- If I’m on a recreational venture (2-3g), I smoke at the peak and comedown because it really intensifies the euphoria and visuals. In this case, smoking is the height of the trip.
- When I take what I call a “meditation dose” (4-7g), I use weed as a fail-safe. If I ever feel “lost in the storm”, it’s my anchor. When shit gets a bit too real or the comeup makes me anxious, I take a huge bong rip and feel grounded in reality for 30min.

Also, I feel like the more often I trip, the less I reach for the weed. It’s starting to feel like a crutch in my travels lately...


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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: feldman114]
    #26507873 - 02/28/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

First post! I've been thinking about this lately, one of those moments of dubious serendipity.

I'm always high, though less since I've started tripping. Lately, I've been getting that crutch thing too. I've noticed though, cannabis seems to bolster the ego while psychedelics will destroy the ego. Both seem to help people let go of their problems, but cannabis enhances ego to do this, allowing some people to say screw it when their normal egoic defense mechanisms have been enhanced by smoking weed. Psychedelics, on the other hand, remove the ego in a way that allows you to face the things the ego doesn't want to, eventually overcoming those insecurities in an absolute way.

Maybe by tripping, you can't help but get over whatever it is you enjoyed hiding from, with your ego. When cannabis goes to bolster the ego, instead of the relaxing 'screw-it' effect, you now feel a dissonance because you no longer use your ego in that way. Anxiety is an expression of cognitive dissonance, after all.

It would also explain why it seems to enhance the tripping experience, a drug that bolsters the ego would allow you to go farther with the drug that destroys it. One of those paradoxical relationships that seems to compliment itself.


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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26507878 - 02/28/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I got the thought loops; horrible depressed, negative thought loops. Nd I got the stuck in time but; everything fell very silent and the visuals were remarkable in that everything was completely still. It is a very daunting feeling, and I have felt the same thing before.

I think sensibly I’m going to try a few trips without any cannabis until I’m absolutely sure I’m on the come down. I’m reluctant to give up on it just yet because of the previous amazing experiences I’ve had with the two together.

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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: feldman114]
    #26507881 - 02/28/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

A possible other reason is I smoke a lot of weed habitually. For about 20 years. It’s literally the last month or so where cannabis on mushrooms has gone south!

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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: Nauthere]
    #26507883 - 02/28/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That’s fascinating. Maybe why a lot of people say cannabis grounds them and helps with anxiety when things are tough. But also maybe why as you say you can go really deep, without your ego disappearing. Never considered that, thank you 👍🏻


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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26507898 - 02/28/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

From 14-18 I was stoned, too young I know. Now a toke on a joint will send me in to awful, awful anxiety, I smoke super rarely now and I've kind of also got to the point of being able to tolerate and in a bizarre way enjoy the anxiety.

Cannabis is by far the most harmful drug I've taken.


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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #26507919 - 02/28/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well that sucks man, sorry to hear it.

But it has nothing to do with smoking young. I smoked every day starting age 13 and all the way through college. I do regret most of it, but not because it messed me up or anything.


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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: feldman114]
    #26507933 - 02/28/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

feldman114 said:
Well that sucks man, sorry to hear it.

But it has nothing to do with smoking young. I smoked every day starting age 13 and all the way through college. I do regret most of it, but not because it messed me up or anything.



I don't think it has to do with age - but you change overtime.. you lose interest and things seem to change on you with age. Just how weed was such a great thing for me - and turned on me.

I just go with the "if it ain't broke don't fix it". People are always like "oh man you're smoking the wrong stuff" ect.

I'm good with my mushroom trips every once and again. Other than that, I've put down drinking and smoking.. as they no longer interest me and give me the tease I used to once love.


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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26508001 - 02/28/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah maybe not age related. I smoked through a lot of changes in life and didn't address them all until I finally stopped at 18ish and my mind kind of exploded. I'm all good now though, I have a beautiful little girl and mainly love life :smile:


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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #26508466 - 02/28/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I’ve been saying since new year my aim is to give up weed except for when I’m tripping, because it is so harmonious with mushrooms! I’m starting to think the mushrooms have been trying to tell me something......


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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26508945 - 02/28/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

A few years back, when I first started my explorations, twice on mushrooms I'd smoke with friends who had also tripped on the comedown.  Both times, I fainted not long after smoking.  I've before then tripped on LSD a few times, as well as mushrooms I think once or twice without smoking and been fine.  All my trips afterwards I have been fine as well. 

I'll also add that those two times, the intensity crept up a bit too after smoking, and I did notice myself a bit more paranoid.  These experiences also changed my relationship marijuana.  I use to smoke a ton, and after those experiences I'd experience severe anxiety before getting close to smoking amounts I once did.  Very strange, though I've for the most part worked past this over the past year and a half or so.

I'd read other similar cases, and for my safety and sanity, I'll never mix mushrooms and marijuana.


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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: ivy.patterns]
    #26508957 - 02/28/20 10:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26508968 - 02/28/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Gotta build that tolerance up..

Start with edibles, increasing the dose daily till you can smoke with Snoop dogg and Willie Nelson.
When I take long tolerance breaks, this is how I get back into the game.

Once your tolerance is built up it’s a much more enjoyable experience.
I probably smoke a blunt every hour when tripping on bigger doses with friends.
When things get to intense or serious... Smoke a blunt. :shrug:


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Re: Mushrooms, Cannabis, and.....Psychosis? [Re: staytrippy420]
    #26509141 - 02/29/20 02:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It’s like they say, that the mushroom experience is personal to each individual. It seems like for whatever random reason, after years of never tripping without cannabis, that maybe the mushrooms are telling me to give cannabis a break.

When the cannabis is effectively spoiling the trip, making it less a journey of discovery but more an exercise in survival, as in three of my last four trips, maybe I’ll heed the mushrooms.

I read a post here recently and added a quote from it to my signature about not ever really knowing how strong the trip is going to be until you’ve gone past the maximum peak; my next trip or two I am going to wait until the peak is definitely waning before smoking a joint.

Start a new job on Monday away from home, so I am going to take the opportunity to pack in alcohol and weed, only partaking fridays and saturdays, and see how that works out when I have my next trip.

Can’t wait 👍🏻

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