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First trip upcoming at age 65
    #26505539 - 02/26/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

My question is this:

I used LSD a few times as an 18 year old in what I now understand to be terrible set and setting conditions.

I had one particularly very frightening experience where I became paranoid and the fear built upon itself and became like a self-fulfilling prophecy. 

In the intervening 47 years I have been chronically anxious and depressed. And since a fairly minor brain trauma from a head-on collision 2 years ago, my symptoms have become more pronounced to the degree that I began reading about alternative ways of relieving the unhappiness that I was not getting through conventional psychotherapy

As we all know the research being done with psychedelics has been ridiculously promising and exciting. And I increasingly felt drawn to give this medicine I try.

I bought a grow kit a couple months ago and have my first harvest of some mushrooms and intend to begin slowly dosing and increasing the dosage until I find some relief.

I have a very supportive family and I'm not really concerned about set and setting as long as I am at home with them.

My question to all you experienced trippers is this, what do you think the chances are that I re-experience the paranoia and the intense fear of a self-fulfilling thought loop?

My sense is there's probably a pretty good chance that's going to happen at some point.

Also, assuming I do find myself in this space, any advice for how to navigate my way through it?

I greatly appreciate any feedback received. 💜


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Re: First trip upcoming at age 65 [Re: GreggTC]
    #26505702 - 02/26/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It's an iffy thing.  The mushrooms may bring those feelings out and make you deal with them. I would recommend starting with  2.5 g and before you dose, have some benzos on hand.  Xannax or Ativan. Benzodiazepenes (spelling?) are trip killers.  They can kill anxiety as well as bring you down.  If nothing, if things go south you can abort and eat a benzo.  At least that way you can get a feel for the mushrooms and have a way out if things get too hairy.  Typically though it's a general concesus that mushrooms may bring out the bad things in your life and make for a challenging trip, but when they wear off, having experienced an unpleasant trip, one usually feels a lot better.


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Re: First trip upcoming at age 65 [Re: GreggTC]
    #26505901 - 02/27/20 05:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Have you tried (guided) meditation? Alan Watts has a very short session of guided meditation, 10 minutes long:



If you're doing it a couple of times a day while sitting or walking, it may enter into your subconscious mind and you may start seeing your thoughts as a passing stream, not different from passing cars or flying birds. It could help detaching yourself from identifying with them in the midst of a psychedelic crisis  But sometimes a thought is so powerful that the only way out is to ride it, go along, or, like the previous poster recommends, take some benzos. I have never done it, but a lot of people agree with using meds sometimes.

I have read in this forum that some people, before the trip, write post it messages like: "you're just tripping, it will pass" and sticks them to the walls of their room, bathroom or other places you know will visit. Also, if you said you're have a supporting family, ask one of them to be a sitter for you, to encourage you when you're down, to read something to you (some people had success with reading passages from the last part of "The Psychedelic Experience" by Timothy Leary). You could also have in hand "Be Here Now" by Ram Dass and start reading/shuffling before and while tripping.

Don't forget that walking is an anxiety reliever sometimes. Because your brain interprets it as as some sort of escaping strategy.

It also depends very much on your dosage. Start small dose and build up from there if you want more powerful experiences. Or you can do micro-doses from time to time. See which one works.  Watch your diet before trip. Don't go crazy with fats and proteins. My trips have changed a lot in flavor after I started a low-fat plant-based diet. But that is just me. Others are not influenced by what they eat. 

You are a lucky man to have a supporting family and your set and setting has changed a lot in all these years. I believe that great times are ahead of you.  :heart:


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Re: First trip upcoming at age 65 [Re: GreggTC]
    #26508093 - 02/28/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Welcome to the forum, GreggTC--

So long as you are taking care of your surroundings, my main piece of advice (after more trips than i could ever count) is to make yourself a 5 or 6 hour playlist on Spotify or maybe the components of your own collection and have some truly beautiful music with you as you wade into your experiences.

I can't emphasize enough how powerful music can be as a stabilizer and amplifier of your experience, and having it ready to go the length of your experience will make for a wonderful atmosphere.

You could also look up the John's Hopkins Hospital mushroom study playlist that they use for their patients in their clinical studies-- there are a wide variety of resources for you to employ.

You felt the call to bring these mushrooms into your life for a reason-- don't be afraid to use them-- just make sure you've absolutely controlled for your environment in these early experiences and after a few months of use you will find that zone that you're looking for.

Dealing with your fears and anxiousness effectively is what psychedelics allow us to do, and why many of us have derived such great benefit from using them.
To use a short and simple phrase: Deal With It. Go in with intention of experiencing the joy of life, love, and your place in it, and you will be surprised at how your fears are ironed out into the fabric of life's beauty-- just one pattern in an infinitely intricate tapestry that makes us all human, unique, and alive.

I'm presuming you have some regular cubensis mushrooms, so you'll likely want to aim for 2g or so to start feeling the main part of the spectrum mushrooms open up (in a modest way)-- some people say they are more sensitive and some are less, but I've found that for me it took at least 2g or more to get the proper "feel" of an immersive good time. I felt fully in control.

Less than that was uncomfortable in that there were some of the elements of a trip present, but the missing parts made it feel awkward and somehow off-putting. I'm not a fan of dosing too low in general, but it's totally fine as you are learning and soaking up the signals as they change.

What I'm trying to say is, don't judge the experiences you have at 1g as if they will be like the 2g+ experiences--

One last piece of advice I would give is to get some Gas-X to take with your shrooms as you get into the proper full dose range, as the gas/bloating that occurs definitely makes for some discomfort. Gas-X helps diminish that feeling so you're not distracted by it. You could also look into making a tea from your mushrooms, which some also prefer.

Best of luck, and again, welcome friend :peace:


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Re: First trip upcoming at age 65 [Re: coAsTal]
    #26508995 - 02/28/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the thoughtful replies. 

This advice really resonates:

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You felt the call to bring these mushrooms into your life for a reason-- don't be afraid to use them--"

I was recently telling my wife the many coincidences that have led me to grow and now (soon) to use them.  Like being led, or following a desire or need.

I've been smoking cannabis off and on for 3-4 years and have often been left feeling like I need to take it deeper.

Thanks again for the great advice!  💜


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